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Wow. So NOT funny.
Joking about abuse is never funny. This disgusts me. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-12 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWRlBvaWJXQ0tHZnFFOXQ1STh4R3RZak9LSVNQeGUwaVJURlVmZFJkaVBPS056M2Z4aHgwTVY3R0ozTXpqMm9IV01xalFsLTZKNzVEYWtFcDZTM0lDY3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZjROZDhKTnhYalNHS0ZubkZtbjBfdlFCVWtFRVVuWFV2QWNhWk56NURhY0VOMU8yMVdacVpSYzNsRlZnalAzaFdHTzVxYWR4NFdTUVdOcktoNHBvUUV4eTRhZnNRRHoyZEFEOHNVcXhKRVBkYk1EcVpPWVRKVFYyZGFzcDhmYjZ4UTVFV2FIbVFLNEVfQ3pNczdYeDdWNjhpMF9TWWw4em5uZDUxbmxYNnhHN1RSQzJkaXNhajJpV01QUGtMVHJW |
If you play this post in reverse it's about a kid who takes a cab from Bel Air and ends up beating up his girlfriend. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWZVR3LW5DNlBjb2wxMFlMdndFeXZxdzBUTlBGQ2tmWXRZMlJXR3F4eUVWWlJhZFgtRmZDNm9Ycy1QTEFUMVd1c2pkUHNHdDJCbWpsRW5aR1dZRVdWSnI5SkVZOURnX0lac1RIWk5MbmVWQ1k9 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRkdEeHdsRHdFTzh4TTBrbXZvU2ZGaDhnLWVnWjdFMXJYc1FhN1FJa0VndWpCdnZtZ25ibDdJZ1luVngyWHo3QWpabmJwekFGS0l2ZEJ1RWVObmpQYW5pcXRyTFFHaEV4WVkwSGhlYTRlaG82eFRKeU5OWTRpXzNTdUpON1BEQklrY0R4TTNPaXM0NzgyWGlyS0tpY1hsdWxTMzg3Q18yZHozNnFQbW5uTjNlM2NtazNkaVlrY0Y5RnNyWHBlX2st |
golf fap
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fap | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWY3pIMW5IcU9mYW0wQmswZTRaLXF4REtreEtTSGp2VTc5QnJ3dmpJQjU0NTJETnVGZmJjU0lqeFQtS1A3LUNoOWZXNUFDSC1MZEQ5d0I3NGZTTjljSGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUjkyZ2JNOUxnclE5ZEFIRlVBV2RKWHZPT01yX2hlanJWNElkU0JaYTNXNmJNWHNLdDRyckxETnNtbEJDU2xwMzl4RFJaYndkdlJqSUIyRVlzdjBob1Z1TlVBQW9VbEpMUV84V3JIOVR5Y3A1VlJOclNQQXhCc2liOWp4dVRjNVdVY1UxOGR4d1RMQ1VkVUM3VGFBNGNuZWo2ZkJZT3N1YlhUWUtGWlY0WURsWVpWZE9HbjVPOWNEZjJBUkpuNDlw |
exactly. This is the point. No one is arguing that people should be banned from getting marriage. | r/lgbt | comment | r/lgbt | 2009-11-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWeEtfUFNfR3cwdUhFNzIxN0lFTFJiTVMtVWdzQjNqMHlNV3B2cHVWTm9RMXc5Q0h3LWU3dzUzbTF5VHh1UmZrdTlNR0d2MHNkakROcG1LZXhyTzN3cWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzek5vTUhIZTlFNkpBczN0dGJIS0cwMnFvNnFLMTM0TlhjdG1lbUozaW4xdk8zUk4yWVY1SzZqSUM4eFRrMDgyM0JUSl80NDd0Z2lMT29QcjJ5NGJIREFfb09tcVA4Nzk5SmFPMTZFdFJYcVE2TEJjVU1ud3dsellVd0RDcHgxQVZFc2luQUtqeUlxXzhnY2xvcF81dmNTNDdWX3JZOGNaSVJrTkItSlluUHJxTS1sYnJJSF9zT2ZYWC1xMVNSOC15 |
i wish i had a whole sack of upvotes to lay at this altar of awesome....
seriously, i had a very rough night at work and this made me laugh....hard....
(i have a kind of heartbreaking job sometimes, and if you can't enjoy semi-inappropriate laughter like this you'll go insane....) | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWb0Q1cFVzQVlUcko0SXBJZWNLS3RUcjFDY2cySEw5VkItLVJmdGROM2hPQ3dIZWhPaUlhbVVPNlJCTExKQzdoS2tla0hSMnZmR1FZbnIzVTU2UllKN3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzb04yeWM3cHBVUXpWU3Y5ZnRCN0I5ekZBRzEwak5aV19vX3VXZ040TktyTFN1SlJZRUxSTUdId3dmMXkwOWNycnVxbzZWU1pBZGMzWGlKS0dqT25keTRzMTBMcFNWUlBQbk5GVEpNRktXYTU4MmcxaGZtU1I0UVdPemZhM2p0enZjRzdsUlNmdjY5YzVWMXhWa0Vybzg0U3pWa29aME4zR3M3OUFnTl9KVUVpcmY4cnNiQlVLMGw0UEZZdzJoTDF4 |
I bet she wont talk back anymore | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWd3gxZVJLVjl0a2cyS3M3bko2UFdRanRGSVdFZzhPRkZZaWdLYzZ6b0ZLQ21GYnlNNzBxLXlOTllhbVQtSnRwQWxBY1h1cVFvczlOY0pNT0I3Q1lsYmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSnpsMER5TkR2aXFiS2JBRFdQZE5kSnpMcDZTblFHTmNwRjFlOE1yVi04OGViZ3pJRHBtTThnZ3ZyTi1FYWo0NzQ5X3hQZktqd09OR0Nhak5DRFBkaGlVQ1M2Y0Ytc0p5cE5qUGdjTG8wTkFxd2JZWDNCSXBxbUlQQnJKdGFpM2RsUTY5OG16ZF9hM01wV3F0bU45dmM4VDBIbXRXVFRTSnY1TEZtREItNHJwQkh0bUNRTlpwY2JkbnlqUHBFeUtF |
The last Harry Potter book must've started so disappointingly for you. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-14 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWWVFHMXRmcERGRW4tTWNwOHdBdWkzQkhTenpnOThkRl9Db04taUw5V1VWR0tKU2Y4dEViREtpdHlrN1VkZUdDQUNhNkNoUVVxV1FFVFJOMTFRZ2NGS1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVlUyTkJkd0hUZTZ2RnZkTC1pMEdOek1ROFRLVTBCUXJDVnA3M2UtSGNWMWJORDh5ajBBcExGbFRvSXJvZ0R1a1hZLUtUS3h0NDczRHd3c082dVJtSHVpWi1OQm9DWEZGaF81YkZ4bzM2LWhwTDRaRktYUmEycFFJUks1V0xaU042RU5xZm9rMzNudmZ2QzhxUFUzNTJXOHlYZUhNRUZNcDVHWXVqR1IyUWJiWU4tQU9iSVhBRGVvVEJJQ1Z4dGN2 |
[Wow, this is such a tired old joke.](http://www.google.com/search?q=Basically%2C+I+cocked+my+fist+back%2C+and+flew+it+straight+into+her+nose&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-14 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWT0k5SVlOblU1aF9mU05rYjJhUkdHT0J1aV9HN2VxUGYxOUNMZUdjbkVDUnR3SFVkem10UlR6XzdydVd5V0JQOExwWFhDcXgxVUxtZnpKRndXRXJwOGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUkZKTzVFMjljSDUwUU9XdjFvMXY0VER6Y3gzaXlJVndpZnEwZ1hvTW5LTVN6S3p0VlppekhQRDd3WXNabzVsckNwNnprRWZTbWF2WFFENWZULVpXMXNjYVJ1NjU3WlJnSUFNX3BYcVRMZV9qak5pNExHbmhtSmZZZml1ZFdLaVJrSGk5UDYwaGJtTUFHeWltUzJlbU1maC0xaGRaWjZfbTdjVDN0ME8wQ1BGZWluVy0yaUpncWpQTGdNeHlQczZJ |
Stop whining. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-14 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWSGV2UGI2dGluQlVyZXB5NERoT2VCZGVqUFI5aVhIRFM3aUdGVUhoTTVtVHdPZzMydEZHSkNGcENhWTEtZ3Jmc2VzekpidmFKLWY0N2VOREhJSHV3RGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMjNXOGRfQ3BPSDd1ZDJlTDM1ZTFndlN4SG1nYWsxS3lvdk0xamJraFVyMUcxRXFnQUVZWkFqUVFyMHNGNWMyRTUxcjJaamFfX0gtaWNvU1RoNmRTd3lZaVpuMVlQeE95U0x0WW1Jd19WX2ctLVVoWVFnUnVoa05PUFNNMjh3aTB3c3pqQkE4b0hTTmhMMldKazh1cjQxUkZ2enJFaEJsZzlXWHljS2drTTRJbXFadFdhM0I1NVpHZm1vR0lWMkdi |
Hit her again. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-14 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWZklyMlQ3Y1lhZzJmbVdhZGxaNTNXdXRmTVJkRnFyc29rcHNsR3R4a3cyMHl5QVZfXzV0N0FuWW9rYVBwY0RPNFpuMzlWRUJ2blBUZXlDNTh4SENzYVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdzE0eDN1TUN3X3J4MnljVm14cVZpNEY5bDRqTmtMSlNfVmRIbjZkUmd3R3lJUE9MRmxjcUxuNkh1VzRRTWctUl80YjA5aEVic0pKWWwyd0hIbjBhcVdCNElHcFFETDBaak50a0FkZjhtWmZSbmE1UjZuS1ZmUW9Cd1J2bnFDTXpDUVRXRTg4eWcxemJnZW5hZ0hxdXpUZENyTkVPeGh3OS1WSkdPNi1aVi0wdHRVMnE2eUVTRS02Y3dKQ3Bkd3lf |
i thought it was quite amusing actually. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWZF9oaU1RZktQZTFadURfN3JIUVlHZTR6UkxOdDh4SzlwOVU0ZDJvNlZrVDJSTFBrRnlSMWFtRVdPUXJ3cmlBRjZYWWF3aVhpVnJzYkVobFAyWmJiWVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzb2pRb1NLaGt5U1FqVld2LXNDajB1SnRwTEVzcExIVWpLeFp3Q3lIbkFCZHM2NlJ1Z1RRQmpCMGd6UlJ2SmJwTmdsVGVEY3NfcEhvWjU3dGRQSXpmdEF2eTJUSS13MGlRYWJlN3VyM3lvMUFOWnRORktiTW1DUUh4TEw1YWh6dUN0Yzc3NVFFbUJhSVEtYkE4elo1OURBWEpheU1aemZrOUJWUHctbTV3RVYtdkIyQjBhSXozYzlGTU1tdTFXWkFZ |
Copy. Pasta. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWcWZHRkVYUGc1ZHo3TlR1TENZTFk1bHJKZEFtaFl6SVRIbXRYdGVMeTBmZlhhSC1sbC1CY19lR282ZHNqem1nMUF6dEVpZHNlUEV5WFhQeERrYjVVZlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdFR2WkZuS2lNZFE4VGtPVmVOcG9HakVUOHpmY0VTZDRUOXZNelJrc0VWQTlFa3kxanJoYld3b2ZxZVYwSE5qRVhfbENhNU1BUzY1WlJMT2QxTjY5a1JuaDBUa2MxUTh5ZC04UWJSX1VPTThCZkgwVUJyelZEVXVObVBZVVg0UWFPRTc5dC16a3JoVG93VjR5OExZN0tMei01TXFKa21QQm5LN25KekFWdjlJei1UbnR0REVKYnYzWFhYdVYxVFJu |
Speedracer! | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWSFNGTV9jQUNKT2w1QklOTk9ob19Mb0ptZ1JSbHd4SGpNTl96TndsVUl5aE1fbkdRdy1LTHVIcTJBU2Zxa2lUdWhEVVo3b1BMbEhQdUU3VmloZjlNS1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMGhoNkVvOWtSV1V0S2syZUh5dkVTem56M2xVeXdodGVERW1KcW8xelp1QzJLUkN3cWQ3TWcwV1NjNVFKSlA5SzNWV1NNWlBnUVpXSlU1RFk3SW9zNjAySGZIb3ZFZWd2WlJpdmppZ0RJblVTalJHeUV5dlNoMWRqTUFVT05xVm9MeldkcmNyS3AzUUl2Q3JSRWlkaUZ3UFVkYzJ6SVZwOF9VbHdfRVBMZjNIR09nYjhZcnY2Q3dkekk5VlU5UklE |
Fail. Older than the internet itself. Fuck you and your girlfriend. Actually, just your girlfriend. That thing she does with her hips? Awesome. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWOHlFM3FURVJUOHkxUWp4c2NVdDZzS3RnUFFXRHI1ZmJpYllJbUluTzFxa0NncGd5MzVhN29IdVFRR3ZTdGNrUjktUTQ4QmVPQjY2LTZqLTNYQmhKWnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzajlRSTl6al80YXphNmdnWjJhVmRITDRLdEZCVWUyT09GRmFKM2VVUTNUQmhZS0ppN29lcGY3elF5bVpiOWlqbmF0bk5BWWZWN0k3cGd1MnFCa3ZBWHQ5czdJSnItdE9YV1QyTnJkZU9yaUVMWG44Z1ZQcnl2YXh2NlBGOEdPcTJ0UWdRSGZ1M2RvdUt0NDcxN1Zwdmg0UUQzQ19Db1FlWWFYN29QOGw1WmpWc082RXBIUXcwUjhKZzZiQXZZY0Y0 |
is this the dumb-memorisation-contests subreddit? | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWbGRlQWk2cmFGVHpLcUlkdDRuZVpJMkMwVVpHMXFtQkVXeEpMUmV5eGF3NHNPaktVYXRRX2pUazRrbDVIZEw2TFpodDh6OGRmdmJrdlN2TDQwc0FRbmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWW5Cb3BVbDZMRC1OblJtQ3dpRGJ5MmluZ2hpbjNtSVlVSGRnSkRzZWpacDNraUtMaHZGWkNZMDhPRDM2MHVlZjVuZ3dsSUZIY2NQLWZINVk0LU9ZQnFEdEhZX0RQNm1oZG5ZWlRYcVdUSTdkQ2Fpc3hWeDRDdl9NM3dWaHo5YUU3Uy1IdlFlcHU4bmdZRExDand4RUxaRWZGdUJIRDhPUEtIcXN0Sm93Rm9IZU0tTnJ1TFhFNkpvNElpTDhfOWN3T21XcG1MMjUwT1FfS1ktX0k4cUphdz09 |
Interestingly [wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi#Memorizing_digits) mentions that a score of 100 000 digits has been made, but that it awaits verification by Guinness. Does this mean that it won't be verified? I mean, it has been 3 years, you'd think they be finished with the paper work by now.
Also, note the Ukrainian neurosurgeon who claims he can remember 30 million digits. Assuming he would use the same recitation frequency as Lu (47 digits per minute), he stands to spend over 600 000 minutes on his record breaking recitation. That's 1 year and two months! | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWUnhLeWMxMzRNeFI3SXNpN0x1bWtNa2hFb09QREMzeE04RFNMQ1JaZFpjTGZCcFNLU1NoZHBtVEZBNUw3UlFTSmtiNElSbmpDR0NZNkUwLVQzaElQWUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdDQyaVBRQmw3UU1NNGpGMzJra19TcXNwbm9sSzFXcW5JVGlzTS16a3A3eko4R1JYaGliSmd6M19YRllYWXNHOV9yZXBzS24yMS1iVlZab2tIaU5hbnRKQWpaN0ZjUjVrbWJZOWtmRm5Mc1N5NE84S1p2bWhLOExQNlZCU2dvVm1PMHRTNVhzaHl5MmpvU2lWamt1VFhtSEtldU43dXdYUzA2SzlqQ19KV2FUaFZQb0xOODlsQ2MzZHBSUy11SE1Pd3BNZ2tTU1lQTWktM1NsX1JweFUwZz09 |
At $0.99 per song, and an average song size of 6mB, it would cost approximately $26000 to completely fill a 160gB HDD. How many people do you know that have $26000 to waste when the alternative is free? Maybe the music industry needs to realize that the real market value of a song is closer to $0.01, which would cost closer to $260 to fill that 160 GB HDD.
EDIT: Ok, maybe I didn't explain this well, but the reason the price of music is decreasing is because the **supply** is increasing.
A HDD is a [complementary good](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complement_good). When HDD space/speed increases, this increases storage capacity, but also song transfer speed. The increase in transfer speed also increases the supply of songs because there is nothing that limits a users ability to create more supply by copying. The supply of songs increases, while the demand remains constant. That is why the decrease in price is eventual, and the current price of single tracks does not reflect the future downward trend. | r/technology | post | r/technology | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWdGFRVjlLZ1pXTlR1N2pPaXhhVHFFM0xTOFMxRkp4WHRldkxpdGg5VjBnMUFJVHdhN3d2eF9MN2RmS3RMQU5uT0VIb2hzazNKeEVBQ0tPVlNJN3Examc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZWIyM3hRb1lSblNBN0xVWHktQlo2YzluU04xb1V0d1dLNUk0d0lIWUx2SlFOUGQzV3VyUWZ0YmxhU3RkdkMzLTRvOUlpbWw2Z3dqQWZTeE1IQUFPVlBvYklsWmJMWkJrdUMyU1pLX0d3ZHFEY0lpX2FreEMyUWF0NkxoYktTOENtZFE2MXdOMFdWWUFicmN0TXpHV2dRYmROZzZZdmJrUnZtUTBSTEtXeVRyYm9TeUxveXdFb2d3Q2ZlSzNReS11bEtjMDhYb3B0RFgzTVJUanV6bmdfUT09 |
What a sad, sad life that must be. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWMU11NWNYamRpMUl1RmgtVEs4U3JkMVk4eUgxTFVpNzNjUUJocVAtREt2VGV3UEpFMENZLWFJcVVXdXlseVBwT2k3VFdqMldMS3RSTUJjV2Z6Q0lWaUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzS1hzdlRYZlNQaUpaLXhJaktkNHJ4UTZCamFVaEFmRDNDTWZvSzUzWG5hWTQxQlZvSXB1Y09iLXlNbWR5ZjF6SVMta2ZNOHcyd0FiMmxvdUJEa1poZ2JNY3k5bG1Fc2Q3R0RJMGlPNkRKMVhjbmRUSFAxdXMxd2hDWUVuQmRKTHNOTGNxYlloWmZZYUsxU2lObm5tQTV1Wmh6d2hvQ2ZsYVIwLXlfa1NBU3RlRVdrTGZnUU9IY1g5Z1Ribk5QbmNVZUl0aU5Fazh3R1JmTkNpRnY5MW9pUT09 |
This is not what mathematics is about. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWbm9XTnUwcDZqZFlBMGFQaTU1Tl9ZeUhnYnNZNWZBWlRKOWw3WmJpT2Z1Q05ITTdFWWZET2U5dy16TkJ4cDV2akpyWEJKdUNiSFVyWjRIQ2JOT092eVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzd2F4VFNHMUFIdzhFVEo2MnpGTGpvNjVIcW1FUXJyVWsxekJkR0FIbU5TNUxnSHJXQjBleVhrZS14WXpaYW1qSS1zRGpFRjJzTW1YQ2VfQVIyc0tobk0ybDdweTA5V19NcjZvbnNnbkxTeXdkWEFzY2x5NWR0ZldZb191X2dybWRwZW54WHMwQmh6U2VhWjdFVm9KQkV1ZnhxU1huNzB2Q1hkUkJTSXVKWWFvcUU4WTcwRXU1dWR5emQ1TWdZMnhBVHBnZTdFTWhEQ1dfbHAyS2JtcnRHdz09 |
agreed, but I'd imagine a cognitive scientist might be interested. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWZTJTSGd0WUgyWTVFa2h3Mk9DR2NZSW44TDhRZzF4czhLU2syVlIyN0FUWC12dV85RDFCdEZkamlyNU5nMUxRYTRCcEJ0dWhQbVFkSFFlMGc5eTR3UUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUWQ5RTc1Vk9xb2h5Vmt6MHVkam95V2s4SU1tVE5mSWlqT09RWk5uYTVFelFyb0NxaXhUQ3NlR25pZFhJdnJJLTZwMl9FUEZJZWNGRzZuQWltRkc3S1JZVVdfVFJXdGxKdjVPSTljU21nbWdqTnJ3aWNkdFFGUHV5VXI2MW5BQzVOSzJJRWtuLWcwTW5RRk55Y0NGR2xwYlNqa1VTenpvQTlTUU5CZDVYbklZRlhCcHlwM2xQWS01OERvNGRfa1N2VXVtWGJtWGhheHFENFFhaFRrOFNGZz09 |
Yeah, [/r/cogsci](http://www.reddit.com/r/cogsci/) would probably be a better place for this. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWUGJzal9QSVV0eU1Bb0p0SUxKcEZmVk52S2pmWmowRFhTdlpXNmlKT3dEaTBhX3lFbXFsR0gyUUJON28tbWNoczM3V2pmMGZ1TG5LbTJZc0lwYkpuSnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNUlsZEtWTWJiWHpoeklmV3A0Y2lDT1RtWnNEeTMwdGJWbXZkUEJraFVxMEFoMEZqRWNLZDk2STVNTTQwRklBMUVpYUMwZHhLVEhIdEh1bGdxV3FBTDl2UGl3dzQ2SGNOTENrenJiUDlwYkFSSW8zWS1jWS14ODdIM080anNDeENNUHBXSGVZSkw5SXBzUGgtSVVQTEF3a0xqcUU4eC1sZkJvTTJzUUR6Smx4cDlIY1hBREJZVy1tRmpiZDJIdzVIRXkxbVRJQlJHd3dsb1Bfby0tRlc2Zz09 |
I've always liked reddit because of the anti-authoritarian, anti-bull shit sentiment of the community. So why do male redditors frequently comment extremely offensive comments toward women (often disguised as jokes)
examples i've seen just in the last two days "disregard women," "who cares what women think," "i hate it when she doesn't make me a sandwich after sex"...
I'm all for free speech and what not, but if we are trying to create the world we want to live in, why are we replicating some of the worst attributes of the world we oppose?
Also, contrary to popular belief, women do read this site and see your comments. If someone posted a racist comment other redditors would cyber-pounce the asshole, yet sexist comments are deemed acceptable and humorous.
What is the logic behind these juvenile oppressive expressions in a forum that is supposed to be progressive? | r/askreddit | post | r/AskReddit | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWelZZekllQW9FNXJiR21PQWluREQzeGRkWnhFSUs1X1lqWTVvR2NnOEFVdnY0bnVaZXc0a2ZNQWY5SFNYS3ZicW5PRHp4Y0tFRkFuUk9PbVpFcHB3d2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcFJPb1pzRFJVR3BpVzh0NXFCUmc3cFYyVUgybVFoV3VhX3JiYTNMNkxnSmJlZ1YtQ0ZhWWxqeDdMTF9GckI5OVY3OENJX1pCYXdrYUJZNzhXblBqNG1pZmpkd1FhWXJON0ZKYUJQSk5oT3dfS2ZiSHUtblFEaU1OaHRVT2tsTGhLUW5vQUg4NmV5dmFYWEI1YTV0MkxPM3dQbFRLb25uY2tJVERnZkxtaVV0b19hRkgxSHRLZ1U1c3FMWTlyVW0z |
"Smallest uninteresting integer." Next... | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWcHhPRFJhcERCRjdsMVJqdE03ZXE4Tlgya3ZsSW1ycWVxUDh4TEJqXzNjY3FJQzJVTWwyREQ1LThBc0tuSkVDVGFYcV92aEZRLUlXSFYtVVNjeDJrYkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUlRVakh5eFVnQm9IbnZMRmZYM3h5VmpXYUZ5WnJjeWp6X2xxZlRxMjRheG5nNGVnVk40UWlxNnJMZk55RWRScnZIUjBXYk5vNm9IbVozSlM3QU85emI0QWt4M3ZOdUtKeFFfMFJ4cDRpX0FwWU1IdmZOV0FQM1AxMmtpQWo4MndhcUEyWjJvZ2szYmpjTGEyM2dDWEthZXlyMmJzUDNkY09fSnZYWFdyM1U4PQ== |
Exactly what I thought of. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWdFFDNUVrSVFiM2s1RE1KSzdpVWpBelRXa1g2TjFsZ1FSWXo1UlpNcUtmR3p1QmlQQ0FtSG81RGVHRlhlRDVMNEVKVFZEM2g1OHRVRThaOGk4OUhQVUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzYlVKbE5GUUF4Z2hlSUtIdF9zMjl2XzdJNG1mVEF6VVJibkNXVnhuekdPVzhGSFlPMWRhNldacWkwNjVzckt3RnpWZmxaNXg4cDR2V0JXbUVnajVLNTZ3LXhia0EybUtaOG1aU09TYlllZHV4d3NzTzJtdmRnV3VaUUplXzdKUFNWaVo0cWR5cHB2ZUl3N3hVbjItR1VTc0IwdlJnNlVMeDZNSHI3dzQtZVg4PQ== |
To all you booers and nay-sayers, come on! Yeah, it's not mathematics at all but that's still damn amazing! 67,890 digits? Try memorizing 100! Appreciate it for what it is - this guy is incredible. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWVzdfVzVfT0lXdFN0V05uQjBudXdVVURzZ3lYTkhhd0x6akc3MHVBMl9YRzJpRlZiX2psOURNOXg5ZUFmQ0ZwQ09qeUg0a2x4d290WmpmVHhTeHFxMWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMGgtVzd1eURJMWlHWmlMamVSYlRTTERLUW9pMUthMEhlVGFfWEZvd1dQdnVZaGVvZndWS1FFLWVtQU1RYURXdEFKdndhWUhQVy0telN2eFk0emNiTkY3bVlwVFpqQ0xnRTBNaTlLUW9oWlljZy04eWhUb2JTSGhrRkxjVC00RjJGNUpNZjFRNFFhS2VTRHoyeVFSX0p1ZWMwbUhfel84OGFTNU5zSWI5NHFGelJYNmdKc2h6RzF4elRLNEFBMk9FUTc2X3BVYmxiSW5hZHFXcXZidUQ4QT09 |
> Question 1: What’s the most notable subject that’s not notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia?
Question 2: What's the smallest positive number?
Question 3: What's the [least number of grains of sand that makes up a heap](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox#Paradox_of_the_heap)? | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-16 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWV19UaTQ4Qi00WDBlMy05RXVvOE5EXzVQWVR2WUc0Mzh4OFNRQmx1MFYyWF9VTzFXU3ltNXdDeHd3cUlNb3lyd3o5RldPZndobjJiZ1VkOUE2NEljMlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQW50S2xrTDFibU12TlA2ckhoNUpoRFFSQlBwQmpQc0R4cHlXRkpwc2lpWVp3RV9Ka1BLUGYwN0hLNUNmSnhlSGV4UWt5emx5YTI2NXZIc0VHZWdHdzlYc2hVbF9IUlE5M2I4RWN0OXBsTnFjM3JYYUNCbDVLUWEyRm9wd1dvR3dUdjdsVGd6Q0l5aDhLM0hyckN0Q3dfeTU4Z09wQWFXNnFwMzVDMlF6TDRjPQ== |
>Question 3: What's the least number of grains of sand that makes up a heap?
This is something that's bothered me for quite some time. I'm glad I'm not the only one who's been pondering it. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-16 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWbVFNOXZpdTBibXlFOS1rZFFHN2tEYjBtSXJ2eXYwN3NtX09RZ1lXeGgySnJDb1ctTTFyNUpJVTRfalZpYVA3UmZXbFRiUnc3aTlqRFIzQ3lueHJxU2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQVhyRElYTTRBUWpyalQ1WXF6VS0xY2dfNTc0UTQwejVSd255bEhfUHhLTGdNcWNQdTVFZUJsSUpEWWJqNmN4Z2hHV2RJMU1tVlljR2s4eXlHbWZFaU9WRld4dGJSaGdGbjA4VGxHV1E4R1B5RUZFQ3ptd0dvLUl1Q29UUzBZOExXekU3VjMtU2l4S1dQaGJwcUZrSF95QU5SaE9qM3k1WFRIQlgtdE03WENBPQ== |
Except that, unlike the Interesting Integer paradox, the answer to Question 1 isn't necessarily unique. Multiple subjects could have the exact same degree of notability. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-16 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWeGNuNHQ2UVpWckpqRzhWdXZjbE1VbVV3RlJFVjNoTDVEVzI0dkc1VnhoTk5lTmFhWmtRNkVmdXhMblNjUUlkS0JYeG5OM0tuSTNUX2V6a2U1aFZ0dHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzOU1HNUFwdkN2REI3TnpvRXRiOFYyWkNSelVWQ1VDNmJFMzNJOVdQb28tRi1uaVdSRTZBaklacXNna19FV3pnNWtKeTY4LUVZdnNBNUUtRTM2RjF5T2hjQ2djeDFCTGduRFk5cWJpMkNhOHNtZnNFaUZ1alUwMTlqVGJ3YWRpc2tad2RVMlJtLW5uaGdWdlltdGJOYkpmTWpad2x0Sm9Jc01DeHZYVEd3RjB3PQ== |
He explicitly said that this was the same idea... | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-16 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWR0xFTGFnNVdCQ3lwZGk2aG00V3VwRF8xMGRxVHoyREgzRzI0ZHVodnBsWmt1cE9TMTRodVpacEVFVzJ5QlA3SVRPdUFmYjM0Z0lTNFloc0s3VTB1M1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQ3V3Z1hVOWZzOXR3RXJ3MUVSb0RwUC1fU1piMzg0QUw2TXFETkc4NjNhT1NiREVKajB5R2p3T1czSldvSHZmWUJSdVliS2E2V3ZxemZuOXF2TmxSaGIwZWVIaTVxeUJqT1ZWRkVKd095Ty1ubDZOcjF1YUR5VWJJWVBMWGUyMHdHUUI2YktHeUF1Z2FyOWstamQ3cnU3UkZhbTM4aHphY0RzZFBNNW5ORzQwPQ== |
Fuck all that reading noise. I go for rapid reaction only! | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-16 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWcGxXQmFweXBHcnc5c0FkazNrWkxBRV9kWUF5dS1qUjQtRUZfQWE3NElHZXoyWGg4NENwSC1DMmU4SE1LckV5a1dWNVJrZV96SUY1bW5Tc1lneHpCR3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzXzlYV09TSHI1QlpjOFB3ZTBYU2E0VC1HYmtMOEhnbkhCbE1sZVJSdzIxaHZtSnRvckRrWWZSSFdlSUthYVVsTW5VNHBEOWZZeWpOVHdpSlI3SmIyNlVqbDdyT1lXSmFmY3kzeXBBbHNPNXhMMENzVUVDQnhBUHNqaDRVZkVZQzlleXlURlhjZlJwam5CdzlXOFhzRi1FR3lUWW94a2N3dG10M2o2UVdyY05ZPQ== |
I'm surprised this has more downvotes than up. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWWjFtQTlrbVhkaDNBZ3o3U2VuLVFfV1djUUI0bTQ0cW96eHBZZGI2Q1FNQXNpVTgzNDlMNnZjcHo1UzdZT05Rd3VqeF9FTm9IQ1dpN3ZnUGdaaTZYOEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzemlyd3gwYVdyUnJ4N19lTFhnUE0xaVA1TUtlX0psSGJRYTFSZVp1czZmZ0h0amlRZ2JncldqbGtFcDRiUERzYjFIdW1WSTlVY2dqRXBfN1RxV3lGYzdQUlptR1dITGVnUWx6NFQzMWlZZkNjSzRJNzlPRjFsWm54ekJXR2dlb1drNmpkRVA2YXJTU1ZMMWZDeEhFM3RBNVhRYVBZcXFGSDI1NV84R3VJbENnSEFpZ2Y3ZGJmYUxoUE8wOVI2T0V4 |
What a clever joke. My eyes rolled so hard I think I just saw my brain. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWbS1CVXVqU1dTQklqS0NTaEI1VEF6M20weHQzR05mdlNpTTBuTDlmNkFndlRiaWJnU1lObDg2Z3FRSHhSakVpVnhfUnI0UlZVUDRmVnF3T2RNVlZrZkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNms3YnVwTC1XUEI3aGw4SkRYNU8wWDBGNDJBUm1OVTY4dWUtcG0zOGZScWZ3cGlidV9JbHlFUFdoVEtkdEtTdXdmemRWUWJMejFnRlZBVTMzVzdmUUs5akxNLVhPSWU4aWhjY0R4U0YwMlg5OTk5ZkJaRzRGOWdxVFoyNDFOSG1Ea3BzNHVoQ3IxQXJTNmttcDNCNkw0NWNESll5RnZtclViMVBtQ2h1R2U2NGc2NDVpdm9LampSbHRIMk1XaHR1 |
No one said PCBs did anything to ozone - what a pack of neo-con lies on this crappy site | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWaW1Gd01ibmVfcVpLa1E1WkpSYUs5X1pjbThfQ09mWnFYcWlYQ2VzMVVQcnlwOE5mV2J0OXhOZFBlY0hTSDRuSm92VlNPMjVQb1dQcnZwdzhYMmE2TUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbzlQb1RQc19UVGRzVDRGRGdXX1lRY1ZiMG5FRWp1Y0FRN1p3eDBiMFNkdVZWeVJFdXJ0OHlyeVJsNUpMY29wWHRvcGpPQ3dfUEx1OWNVUk9RZWNObkNvQ0xtclNqbXdraWc3WHNlU2tkREpCTU1xOVZjVVE1NDBZbklzZ3Z0Qy1RV2pKUldpOUhBcnFTQW1XV3dpbmU3MEpWOEM5Mng2dk5KQmhSS2pIY21rSTlSaDlKTENMME5xRHpieThFUmoyVy1ldDR2QWJUZTNDZ2dEWWpYZ2VJQT09 |
Belairing is a meme. It can't be stolen. It belongs to all of us. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWYlZEYURBS2ZxbHgxd21WN01EY0xiQ05QXzJXZk4yY25FaUJvZ3AwYTNDemRTU2lkNjZSX216QXN2eTcwSk15Z3hyVl9jVDU4cFY2bklRT284TEUtTmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWEJiOG9KVXAtR3hVeFRaLUpmU2RadF9CbUNacGdURW5lc1NvZy10WVNqWHpQNlRieWNwTzhSbmlGM0ZKRS1JMTRKUHkxZ0tETlFBM29ZcmdHakV2bHRoNnpKZTBzenFVVEsycVM3SFUtWEdfc0RER3phSTNPLWZseDBybGM4TGQtRm00Z3RXRzhTYWNqV2t1eE1zUzNYNXNIUmdCQy1VZFNZOFRuNkFpV01xVnp0Und1SnI2V1gydlI0eEY2SEto |
You pasted this link in response to like five different people. Shut up already. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWcDhET3NGamhCekJoUmtMQ0gxbE9YSGFidUVtVlQ5QnNaVDlsSjVMMGJuZURhcnJEdDItdDkxU2xMZmExdmpFSEVTRkRaZ3MxYUItaEhiQlVnTHdPTFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzYjIxVmpuQ1A1czlLZV90WVpfaERyS0NOcTBkdm9fclk4Tm9SRGdyS2cxNjVtTjdYdTg3ckY2ZUxNbnNJcmFTRVFLVzc4UEtCemtvbE9TOXRrUzd3Ui1Na2NxRzdCYjVjcWlSQ09YcWc2OVNvNkFxVmFSXzZ4VlFlVmhnZGtpWlpkVEFqMEp4ZGNTN3VSbXhqVG1TbEJTWS1BZVA0TnBpUVBPUE9hRnVSdmw5ek5HQm4zWDBtZXpvbE5oWko4UUw3 |
No, that's not what he stole; he stole the entire instance of this belair, and claimed he had just written it, even though it's been around for years. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWZllWZGJlbzJ2SGZnaEVyTERUY2JfM1pNc0h3WEpVNGtEN3JUWWY2Vi1hc0x2X0x0YTJLc2pDQjdRYnBRd3BJV21YS0N4dlhweDFPYk1QQjBCWkpPU2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcm1WM004MUdKYkd0UkxSSTVVVU54amFJZlpDeEdsbXliVlhvbnNWcVM0a2M4VUVmWGotTTQ5d0wwSHJkQzFlemJyZ1ZndnFKc3RhN1h1NXk4VFlzNmNaTnJwQ0hTMVAxSVJGdUtvVW9lTHFWcjhDV1BNN3ZoOTFFLUEwN3RDVEI3NzRrejFGLTl3ekd6WHdyM3VrZHlDTGgwNE9JclFTZUFvYmo1ZW5IWHJIVzFDQXBuVEZFWk1XZUxZSm9SWll0 |
Well, seeing as I shut up SIX DAYS AGO, I'm just going to call you a moron. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWLTZIX29wM0NSNHlnTTRWLVRPdkJiOHgzX0pkenJRcG4yWGRxSnBoNGN1cTNLMnB3MHB5U1laSHozLTV2QmZxOGh6ZHpXSE94aTVfVHc2WF8tMHItZ3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUGNPT2NuaWdjZl8tcFYyaFZQUi10cU56T2xBbi1WT1BGTldvSjhKOFFfQVIxNXpFZVp5bHNYNkoxSUFjVy1WcTVMdU93NmVMV3JSc0hMeFJkS1A5NGdFdTR0V05pdm02N2tvNHZyQ3dpNXZ2bWh5WS1XY2szaXdOdnBTM0tTeUJhM1lJZUNmTHdxbjNOQ1hJVUJRZFNOQTNyejczZ0M4YUZUYXljNllNN3dDS1psYzFKUzhBa25ZTG5jMkk2eEJI |
This instance is itself a miniature meme. He probably didn't steal it from World of Warcraft forum, for instance. Passing it off as your own is merely part of the way the meme is passed on. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWTG0yVlVBYkF0ZHNDNURtTmN3TE14SXdlOG5uam1PeERtWThucmx0RGxZVTJlRXNaYktXQ3czbUVvSWJFNEpTbGxlUDhhUmxBdTFoTGpLNmVZdzd2MFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQjF6QzYxQUVURnlILVdHdy1GMlBYVmZiYTdlWlhjVmRJdHlMYzIzeDZiN2xPbS1kbFRLcG5yc3lRdkg0TE9OWl83X3ZQbEI0SFZvenBzMy05SmhfZ3FWSVZYTzFkQjhYODVWZjFqREN5QUVGdDNkbzBBaEthT3FYdi1wTVhRMzlvbkUzbHQyX1lvaThQZkRHXzQ0REc1NFQzRnpTeVg2RXFjWUhRc0lCZGtpcEI2Qm5vSG1POXVPTDZCTVcwV1cw |
No, it isn't. You post it, but you don't blatantly claim credit. You claim it was true, perhaps, but you don't say that it's your own invention. That is never in good taste. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWRk9KMTFXc095SnpGdkNCdlBZUzdLYVdVQzdDbXlKSUVwMHM2Vmg0eS1hQ3lLbWt5NmJyb0I1UE1mMnRHR2VPRlFiV09PVHlseGcyRjZjaDUyT0JrMHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQ3RTd2RhS3l0YmdQRmVZa0Z5d2ZHcGxlRjUyVEN5ZjhKa09jaExrV0lFNXJ5WS0zY1Y0cHh6ZWdQVjNLVVliOWtUUE8yVzl0YWo3Y2o1dDhWSVM3dHVsanRCS0lsZXFjTVd2YUhZT3p6RWxrekhEM29UczYtaXJ0ZEJrZ24zSmFwamY5RXhhLVY0NG1lV1B0Wnp2NlNGNTBJQ0ZMblpHRlYyMzR1bUZsdzdBSF9zWWdZYlhyWHZyUWUwSXpvOThi |
Nor is it in good taste to dominate a thread with a disclaimer against the OP, which is what you did in this thread. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWcjFkbHNqV2dTRTJxWTBBcUZza3kyMmc2NUgzN1V0bzFvbHkzaFAyaFRrdWh6a01xU0RQM2x0NUNNUGRRV283YlZVZllMZmNsbEtaRHN0Tm5jb3NFSHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzeWs1U2Z0SnlRTmZxc0RZTHpMNFRXNUVOMDNCNkV4SHJkTTJ5Z0ZoMXYwYXQxWHJJUU9wTURFeFNaTlpBanZ3czBiN3NHMFNhNDdlNy1pS0N6OUVaT0lCTmVyTHlMSjNnQVdyWkZPNmdtajRBUk9xSlhzb2JRMnlOeE1IaUg2cjFuV09xVUN3bUpTbWcxOGVQaWczMC1hZG9CaFZMLXl5WVdZaGZYUmpXelVpTm0wWldvT0Q0UEp0V1g0ZFFlTzFJ |
[It was boring the time before too](http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/a4ok2/215_is_the_first_wiki_dull_number_making_it_wiki/), it was interesting [this time](http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/9x5sd/11630_is_the_first_uninteresting_number/). Cavedave has a really low submit threshhold, always start reading wondering how it is boring or not fitting to the math subreddit.. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWeFZEcmt6cl9XSU54ME4tWmNJLS0tQ2JwUmt4NUx0aWdyaXgtUk53SHljZUVtNjl1N0w3S3psNm9wZmFpUzdTUXBhandISk4zbGNRaG1SWmJJN2hUbUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVlFoZVc2eUU3ZFJtMXBlejdTWDNIamI1aFQ5eGlwRGFFU05IX01BbVJOTjJLZ0RpMFpXSTV1MVNiUXhtdnJpbmE2bTk5VHdXdVFXQmpBNUpjTUNiVzk1M2FXdDBENVpDYlV1S1ZOaGdTZXNKcGdwbnZ3bjR4VGVidFpGYU5vcTRMcG0wV3Aza0Q0ekEwckFlUF9TbUt3NkdXZ3YwZC1HUmJDbDdoZ2tYZ0VBPQ== |
I don't know if I'm the only one who feels this way but the Hardware subreddit is not for fucking tech support. It supposed to be for articles and debates on COMPUTER HARDWARE. If you want tech support then put it on the r/techsupport and not r/hardware. That is all. | r/hardware | post | r/hardware | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWR1l2dUZScEdRMi03MVNSLURObXpxNjFJem9uZ01IS1FTUk1waEx2WnRNZUlFU184cTdKZGJ5Y1I0S01QRnpRRFZVZ1pJb0xyd0JQQU9lWXhoTFpzSnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQzFHUHhmMng0S1RZcmFjeUtsQ0ZPbU9CTDFHUm5md1AzN09KNVFxTlVUTWRSOHFXa2JiNkEtWWp1V2VRUExhblFiZUFCY1R2UzMzZHFHb1ZUenBnV3h5Vmw4UWdHbnc5VUlqaURtTmozN0ZlcmVSYm52elpxazlpbndEMnVHZTZxZ3V6LWZmT1JKV1FoR1FYOXRuUUp0WlpXNGp5UkVPYXFJTnprb01hY3UtYnJxMVlmSVlDZlZHc1FuSm1TZFE2 |
** YO DID YOU LIKE IT IN BEL-AIR? AND IF SO, DID YOU ESCAPE THE AUTHORITIES? ** | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWbmdGZXJNN0Y3dlNrdlhQYkNzQUQyaW5mZTA1V3ZDaHpqcVkyUlg1UW5nYkw3MWltZzhGaTJDQ0dmNFNHZ0locklFamRUZDd3WTVlem9JUHdjTmZ6ckE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzczc1WWdNWkZJdXJOa0hIZVluSW1aLV9ESEQwMWgta1BDenNpR0Zhd2xWaVNma0dNZHdVQXl6aXlWM0xzN2c4WHdQRS1NQnp3TXVLeEMxOUFrbk9CZnJKRFlQVmRmaXEtWmVVTVY0UGVEX0ZMR2JUd1ZIdmNXYTFNVXRDLTNWNTJaM1dYZWFhUlRjQXhYU2VsdzZ3bnpTLWJsNFM2VWFGRzhXdThlYmFCLTE4Q1hQV3E1T3RPSGMzN1dzeGFQajRy |
I disagree. It's one thing to post copypasta, it's another to claim you wrote it. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWaDlXU2VfVGdZcjN3bTI0QjN4UmU5VVc5WWRBdFZpU2MwQWJrTElJYnlUNmtWTGF6TVB4TTFmbDhVQzVUOG85b0lPNjlGZTJ1ZHFZMmxfYTh0cEtkVXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMWp4cWZWcjUzeWJkN3dQWE1KcEU1WVl5VEU3MFdLYVRrY3o0Skl5ckd2N0JPcHJnVV93ZUg2X1UwdEZaenkyRGlPaDc0NEtGNEdWZ3ozb1VVMVowN3hTVUxBWmh6UXJKWThzVEdERFI1Ulc0NXVJcEZqb1NXOHBkajRRX1RYUWQ2MTB6R21EZmZBblhpTVFzZUdwd1c0eVgxTkJkWjNJYUczR29raFNQSkpxd0ZPXzNUbkxNMkFpb2hpbV9oNkMw |
Parent should be at the top of the page. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWaXNKZGszSmlWS052WlNaUkFDY3c5NFJIT2JYdHBSVl9BaFh3UDUwMlNVenVOdUNlejNCR2xDUDE4blphYzVoNVRzdElmbS1fQm5scVJMSHdxdnlUZlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWUNLUmdpUFB6MmVPTXFoRFhKOExxTzFFM3VGSFVzM3BsaGtmNGxqZnhjdnhjdm1TTmtCc3BiUUV0elpveUF2b1JyRmxuYUFrUHFxS0FybkZBemJTbXhsbEpTM1NTdTQxQ24xck9LLXYtODVNTGJaVGVMQWkwYUtRM2JpU05wQjZwRHJZWTF2S1dGYVhYcHk5dEZLRUowQmdxTHlEZmV3MWgxejM4NnhFTUpoVTRvbEVBQUo5bEQ4d1UwNG5ZVUp1 |
I guess you'll never see this orangered envelope. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWVjR4R2U4emt5X0Exc2wzVDBFbThBQm5iMHZIME9PaWYyN0U5dHppNWlTTVk1YkdpczdkRThOYlZ6R0hmaHJ0LXoxNkFGNG9QUzFzdFlESFJPVS1fTmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQW4wMW9nX05yOEktY3BudTh4WFFYbHJVbUJnY1BGSVpWODNsOUowVEhfbGo1T1haTXJJSk1zc0V5dnNYTTVEeHVreEk1dmdkWjREbXR2YzBidmg0d1NYR3VPMU9nZ1AxdmJ2QzktaWt0aWdUY2FDSkJUUlM5eXR0czVfd180WFJDSzBLRUg1Ylp1WkpZRFFPZDdFVWdoUV9HcUlZNFVNZ0gyRVZwZ2dfcUo2bTl3eGlVYjJvTWNOZVdtLWVhYTJ2 |
this. fucking. works.
FOOLING AROUND
1. Are you gonna be my girl? - Jett
2. Wolf Like Me - TV on the Radio
PUSSY-TIME!!
3. The Great Gig in the Sky - Pink Floyd
UNABASHED RAW SEX!
4. Bad Fever - The Asteroids Galaxy Tour
5. Seven Nation Army - The White Stripes
6. I Got Mine - The Black Keys
BLISSFUL POST-SEX AWESOMENESS
7. Because - The Beatles
8. Until The Morning - (Rewound by) Thievery Corporation | r/sex | post | r/sex | 2009-11-18 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWNXBJdVF6QVc4QkM3MTVQUHREd2FLcDZkcEFGeV9ISWZ5blBsS2xPYWZnRkJNN3c1Zmg2SENkWHotTjFqWmx4MVNDUmVoVGxTS3ZXTHdMWTd0c1ZPb3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzblljUlFIYVEzNDhzWjRHanAxZmVZOWVmekJEX1Z4aVpuS0lBQkJ6cEx2YUF6d3RNbVY3MmpvdVVWamY0OW9vTjdiTGlRLXpONldTV3B5d2Y4bFJLQ2w1Y05aQS1oNlNkZG0zQzc1c2FKeFA1R0VVN2tnM3JOZmFEMVBuWVFWTUJmd083aW1ZLVo2b0lmdEV3ZkNtTXZPdGl5UXhYYmlOUXlaNzRnc0ItTE0xZkIxcWR5T3FFbzNEOUZYbXMyUUs1 |
I love how this post is in equilibrium 700/700 up and down. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWSlZuYXhNTVlKMnhCaDVpV3duVlpyWDNEZzJFRlA3SXNxRnc4aVZJb1BmYTMzM0xyQmF1bmdXWXljNGRzNU1WVjhtZzN1VDZZUU5sVmRra2JZMjNfc2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMktrTkNYQ1FPMWtzSGdhdUNITTBhNUFMYVlSRGVwVktHVkVTVHhoRkgxZFlELWNJMExYai1yYzM0MHZaOGdMM0l5TXRkdXEtOW9aUC1IQzNKajF5UnRiN25NYnNwaE16a2d0MVlWS1JtdkxZSWVYeVVfaHRXdG13aDhNdjFRc1FFTlNsVkxrMm9oRi1sZE1PRlJCNjZHQUROQm90Q0U4dlhXUGU2X2xrU29TNkxPWkNzRmYxVWJnS1RuY3lRczNw |
Oh - if he had included a link that was supposed to be a pic of the girlfriend's bloodied face... it would have worked. | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWOUJxWElVb1RvVkROQmRsMHVLUU1hTEdqbmh1QzBaczBTM2I1TUdwRnJKZHN6ZDlJMF9rTW8tSS0zWVRyOEZFOGowSXQyX0V2UEIwenh2Y0gwcEYySFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdkFEVDJqMms0eXpZUzZUWDNXVlJBWVdoekVqTjdpMVZBR2QzVzJabkRDSFdTWERZV3BNLXRPNTZzX1JteXk3VkJZcXFrUk02QWV1VW1GSl9hSUo5b0RaelBWdllkUmZ2bWQ0OGtRS0RWMnN2Ty1VTzlsblkwUmdrUVFGX2p2ZEFvREFKQXc4azU4Y3h0Vm1BZGxGOGNLNFFnUkd4QUI0a1RoME5xR1lDUHRGRmd4X29mNTRjRXhDcWtITmZlbmFQ |
double clap
| r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-11-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWOGFyc0pGa2FFU2p3aUZoWHNDbHlXclN0bHQzakdhaFl2c3lRNTY1M2FhQXF6Uy03Y3N6ZEgybXdPdDJRVGxfTTJvLVo3NnA4X1BFTGxSejZMT2QtQVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbnZPenlETTZzQUo0NzFPYV9JaVFlVGhmWkpNSEhpdld5aWs1OVB2VndlY0tEUDlWaFUyQ25Mek12MmVlUlk3cTFtVm9nNjRvaGFyYjE4NUdoNmk3T2RnNVU1bGRZdWNlN1RCX0JiTXNzbWlOc0FKTGtFWS11Z1VmTU9MYXFXbnFYWklrQ3ZlNEg1M0tRWHkxR204TFkzVE9PWEwtYTFDTy1TRVFVb0xDeWw1SXpFb2NuNk82bTlrUU9FVElHazEy |
The emails show some amazing things:
The website Realclimate.org is a PR "front" to spread their propaganda.
I'll keep this thread updated. WOW.
**EDIT 1:**
We know from some of the e-mails that the FIO was going to be honored until “the FOI person and the Chief Librarian” were subjected to “a couple of half hour sessions” of browbeating.
“…When the FOI requests began here, the FOI person said we had to
abide by the requests. **It took a couple of half hour sessions – one
at a screen, to convince them otherwise** showing them what CA [ClimateAudit] was all
about. Once they became aware of the types of people we were dealing
with, everyone at UEA (in the registry and in the Environmental
Sciences school – the head of school and a few others) became very
supportive. I’ve got to know the FOI person quite well and the Chief
Librarian – who deals with appeals…”
**EDIT 2:**
On 9/5/09 8:44 AM, “Darrell Kaufman” wrote:
All:
I received my first hate mail this AM, which helped me to realize that I shouldn’t be wasting time reading the blogs.
Regarding the “upside down man”, as Nick’s plot shows, when flipped, the Korttajarvi series has little impact on the overall reconstructions. Also, the series was not included in the calibration. **Nonetheless, it’s unfortunate that I flipped the Korttajarvi data.** We used the density data as the temperature proxy, as recommended to me by Antii Ojala (co-author of the original work). It’s weakly inversely related to organic matter content. I should have used the inverse of density as the temperature proxy. **I probably got confused by the fact that the 20th century shows very high density values and I inadvertently equated that directly with temperature.**
This is new territory for me, but not acknowledging an error might come back to bite us. **I suggest that we nip it in the bud and write a brief update showing the corrected composite (Nick’s graph) and post it to RealClimate.** Do you all agree?
**EDIT 3:**
From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley ,mann@xxxxx.xxx, mhughes@xxxx.xxx
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
Cc: k.briffa@xxx.xx.xx,t.osborn@xxxx.xxx
Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or
first thing tomorrow.
**I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.** Mike’s series got the annual
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray.
Cheers
Phil
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) xxxxx
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) xxxx
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@xxxx.xxx
NR4 7TJ
UK
**EDIT 4:**
Michael E. Mann wrote:
Dear Phil and Gabi,
I’ve attached a cleaned-up and commented version of the matlab code that I wrote for
doing the Mann and Jones (2003) composites. **I did this knowing that Phil and I are
likely to have to respond to more crap criticisms from the idiots in the near future**, so
best to clean up the code and provide to some of my close colleagues in case they want
to test it, etc. Please feel free to use this code for your own internal purposes, **but
don’t pass it along where it may get into the hands of the wrong people.**
**EDIT 5:**
From: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@virginia.edu>
To: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>,rbradley@geo.umass.edu,
mhughes@ltrr.arizona.edu,srutherford@gso.uri.edu,tcrowley@duke.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: Soon & Baliunas
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:14:49
"This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the “peer-reviewed literature”. Obviously, they found a solution to that–take over a journal! So what do we do about this? **I think we have to stop considering “Climate Research” as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal.** We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?"
**EDIT 6:**
Keith,
Thanks for your consideration. Once I get a draft of the central and southern siberian data and talk to Stepan and Eugene I’ll send it to you.
I really wish I could be more positive about the Kyrgyzstan material, **but I swear I pulled every trick out of my sleeve trying to milk something out of that**. It was pretty funny though – I told Malcolm what you said about my possibly being too Graybill-like in evaluating the response functions – he laughed and said that’s what he thought at first also. The data’s tempting but there’s too much variation even within stands. I don’t think it’d be productive to **try and juggle the chronology statistics any more than I already have** – they just are what they are (that does sound Graybillian). I think I’ll have to look for an option where I can let this little story go as it is.
Not having seen the sites I can only speculate, but I’d be optimistic if someone could get back there and spend more time collecting samples, particularly at the upper elevations.
Yeah, I doubt I’ll be over your way anytime soon. Too bad, I’d like to get together with you and Ed for a beer or two. Probably someday though.
Cheers, Gary
**EDIT 7:**
M,
This is truly awful. GRL has gone downhill rapidly in recent years.
I think the decline began before Saiers. I have had some unhelpful dealings with him recently with regard to a paper Sarah and I have on glaciers — it was well received by the referees, and so is in the publication pipeline. However, I got the impression that Saiers was trying to keep it from being published.
Proving bad behavior here is very difficult. **If you think that Saiers is in the greenhouse skeptics camp, then, if we can find documentary evidence of this, we could go through official AGU channels to get him ousted**. Even this would be difficult.
How different is the GRL paper from the Nature paper? Did the authors counter any of the criticisms? My experience with Douglass is that the identical (bar format changes) paper to one previously rejected was submitted to GRL.
T. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWdWYwdmwxeUhpQTRfMzVOOHFjU1pVMlNWanU0RWh4VUFwdzJTZXZXc2gzd1RUNVhwZlU1ZGZ5MHN6WURjQU5vaG1BcUVwOFZ6U1VROFlWUHE1cFU3THc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzakgtQ1FXa3lBMkIwZWd0QVVLVnpoNjhwdEFDMHNzOTltaG5xeE9MY3FhUkFuWEFlYTVqU25zbm9WeTZfVDN3UW12WDdaMUQ1OFdyV1lNZDZ6aTJZdWlJYlo0UTNUSlZnLU1CUVdOaC1jQzJsVE9UTjlxMkwzNFNyOFZjTnp3Y1JtVUNiVlN4S1VTUEo0cmtrVmUwRFpXNXJYVF9YMVNLRk82cjlodFYycVdJbkVzRWl0ZnRnM3JMVktxRnhuVG9PR1ZjTGpmV096LXhvbkhJTVdZNFdLZz09 |
[response from Realclimate.org](http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/#more-1853)
I profess cruel neutrality in this matter. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWZ21DUDVfc2NLQjdqUE5LNXR2MEloa1dPeHpPMHlSU2lmZmtUTEZwVU1Fcm56OFZXZndlbGZZbGpPV2NfSWdxcFdsNG9qUU1VUm1ENnJydFd5amh4MnQ1bFJWLVVtWXloVHVxZmZINjM5aXM9 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQlhZUnlIeXBrY1VQS25FSF9fVFNrZnZWN09xR3Q0cGtIU0l0VjVDN1pjeXB1b05SM1pMRkVSbTZxRXhJQ3JVRlkwa2NuV09GTE9qd19tdHFySU5sbTNVbENKQWtpTTVZVk1meWJITWRfcE1kYVVmaDB2Um84U3lzM3oyYXZZelR3X25TcnJXVUxaOEdtdDV1ajY0U0Q3RnVzZmhOY29wRzA3WnhhNXNiMlRZRGlmMXFkT01kVC13ZmhUaUtvTDBBWDBoYjQ5Q18tVllkOUJFaXYzZjhDdz09 |
>Nonetheless, these emails (a presumably careful selection of **(possibly edited?)** correspondence dating back to 1996 and as recently as Nov 12) are being widely circulated, and therefore require some comment.
*[Emphasis added.]*
They've been able to see the released emails for 20+ hours. It's hard to believe that no one has run a file comparison to check for editing on the emails.
***SPIN*** | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWLVJqa0VDbUpXUlZDVnpwTmZ3WDFDeDhfYUM4ZEVac19XQlBtN05LQ1dyV2gzV1VyUnlCcG90TkZuWGdDWElwbkxGU1NxTEJQN2lERzV4YWFpSzNjUFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzckFQU0d3cVhpRWl0QV9tNzZGRndock1iakZveVFyaDZjUTFocktzMjVlWWUxNkFzQkZrbDlaY0x6OUF4bGFaTzVmNVFUd0xjSzRHRWdSSEZEMXBLUXZkU0FQTFVCVmFnRjJGdFUwZF8yRlJuQkczblVzVU5zbURDajdqVDRJVkpyTVNxaXdXMmlJYmNEMjBrbFIzcWhPV3doSUcyLUtoTkFiNFFfdUgySGxaUDVhMkdaVWdwNTBLc2diWnhIeEZ3LXZJNklFYlk5bVNWOERxV1E2c0pNZz09 |
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response from Realclimate.org:
>More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, ...
Somehow that's not surprising:
From: Phil Jones
To: “Michael E. Mann”
Subject: IPCC & FOI
Date: Thu May 29 11:04:11 2008
Mike,
Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?
Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis.
Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t
have his new email address.
We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.
I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!
Cheers
Phil
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWMEFtYzBtbEdNV0kzU2lZaEhMQ0I1N1V0NkEycXVxOVJCcEdwVEVlSjVZNzNlenlrUDNBRFVIRTZiOW9MLUJtOHB4Qk1OVTNxT2RTTTd2QmVPeTg1TFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzT3RTWWlONWYwUjNHT2RILTR5dnowclREdnJtekJPY0RXeVgtUGh6TjBOWUVnM1dxbHBGWENMb1NVNTNFalRUNzBpRTQ4dGZ4UmRBb3U3Q240X09WSDZUUWJKd2xMSURQWFg0VXE0aWd4a0FCREdfX3FBMnJ4cGVOeU9UVXpQa3ZkR0sxVXVxU3YtbDFJMjg1N0ctZENzX1lKOHJGZHQ2Sk8zWElMR2dnZjZOYWpxOGxyTHNIcHdnbUszTlBoSVBMVWpic0JfdE1sRUR2OVBaTFB1UzAydz09 |
>There are a lot of files, and I'm not sure that not getting to running WinMerge on them is damming.
Trying to hold out for plausible deniability at this late stage is rather *damning.*
The \FOI2009\FOIA\mail directory is 8MB of raw text. It took less than two seconds for my laptop to rip through it with Beyond Compare. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWWjhySTJzc25jdWQyVWwwQThpRW4zUkN5cVpIbTVmZE5GTlZXc2gzX2Rvd1UtdVo5aGd0OHd4VDl3MmEtcjFCbER1VGE4REFnZi1aa21jT0o2eVVMOWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVXQ2Ui1uWkU1SHVFN0lMV0g5VVh2dGZ2aVJQMlFZVUlMeWFtbU1OaFNyQ3NwQmVlSmF4N2VMbTFnWWRyLVVMLTgzVEpaaExhR1JGYy1IYlFNOHY0dndLTGVzQl8tREV6RUJTNk1GaEs5QjhCVHBlSFViREpWckJRRHQzc0NwbzRGTTM5OXFfblQzczFkc3lFQUd0NXgzXy10S1ZyeHZ6VUNiZjNlZlQyQkdCUms4VlZCV3pybXJhdHhGUDFhNDYzUjFva1BPQ1VvSlQ2QWJ2Sm5UQ1pSQT09 |
I'm sorry I don't understand your point, but what's the meaning of "Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?" in the context of what's not reported. Why were they trying to delete the emails, who's Keith and what's AR4?
I'm not a global conspiracy denier, just trying to come up with a good response to someone who forwarded me that telegraph link and this could be crucial! | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWdVVndmw5S1JyYXE2ckp6TFlGbkRuVDZfT2xWcHV4QldnXzQ3ZVZXdHhMNkp3SDZUTmE3UENOYlZYSnR5aWZTS01rdTc2Q0QyTlNETVp0SzAwelBWcmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTWpPNFNTWEx2dnI4cVpEclJvcnc1ejE1VkpuMjZGQkd6ZmdqbHRGZTF6ekRORnpjLVhmNDhndXlRY1A2UFNhbFFmQ3ZpLUM3MHlCSHB4clJFN2V2aEVGdVBzZGljTlBwVjI4Q3NEeEtleTBzNjV2ckdtZHcwUjRnemdNS2pUS1lQY2V2M1JDUVV4RzJISDljSXZLQTUzT0xWX1RlWkFLRVI3OGg4WHM5a0JnUWhtM3JoZEpXNmlsUGhtX2lWZ2JKRUtuUFZ4T0dhZjNDNzJHMXdDM0Zpdz09 |
Keith is Keith Briffa
AR4 is a recent version of the UN's IPCC report.
That Phil Jones guy (head cheese at the hacked facility) has been under pressure for not releasing data before.
The potentially damaging part here is the "FOI" (Freedom of Information Act) in the subject.
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I think that at the CRU, the term climate "scientists" should be used *very* loosely. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWWGRJa0stdGRrMEE5QVB0bWxWZWtJcHBiQzVYZXgyTmw5WWhvXzJ4aGRsZXhQWFlrRkhtWjI2OWtOVDJKcG1DRlRQcG5LY2hHeTk1UmFsMDNUckV6cHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzY1VUY0tuNW5EWEhoXzVSX2ZSejBvcXhiWFp6YktDbFlVRXVJbTZ2c094TTJNenpselFtUmhRMmtwREVjQVYtOXJSbkdyTlhXMGpoMFVsX3VzU25DWkI4TXVRSERmZkZHSmZUYUQzblZXblBvakNDUjNVMXc1Wi1BVktibTFMVTRHQXJpYXE0aXFKaGhLMHFEdV9YVF9SZGpHeFhwZmlkZl9JX1B2eE8xUDVXeWFkRlNZUWlqM1lWSVhZcktwMzNhMjBuTDlXMFg4NnFEM19NeExpenVqdz09 |
If it was a tobacco company we would see trendy ads based off that email in days...
FOI request followed by DELETE IT ALL and make sure everyone else does too are very disturbing. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWYk83WlYwai04SDNHUjFQdE5QNlF5THZuWnhqMEwySVZDZ0dsaGxQbU9ScWtjQ2UzV2FuUTR2TGk2SlVLTDVsN2JXdnhVakdwREpEWnl5Z1NnQWJMQnNWOVRCcEN2ZjVDdWZQaDhBRzBpa1k9 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMjJEWmZUcHVGMDNKX1I3SDdIVFBpV1Y5eG1UM2xndll5NDlxaUlPeWdkb1p4ajRhM28zU29yMFZuWWZDWTUtVG1seHBmWTB1NVBJenI1V1Bnbkh3NDcyVjFIeXdsNVE5cU1rbFJLemFjOFBsLUdtVFVRTmVQMjFrY3c5T0lzRWIxYTFXVkhlc2laY2NkQlppRjN6SEVBeVJxa0pxS1dfYVRyM2tIaG5rQnR4Y2FEb1BkbXJxaVJHTFRleTlUb01fU0dIOWZkdHVkZi0wSGdsS2VWVUJQZz09 |
> It’s obvious that the noise-generating components of the blogosphere will generate a lot of noise about this. but it’s important to remember that science doesn’t work because people are polite at all times. Gravity isn’t a useful theory because Newton was a nice person. QED isn’t powerful because Feynman was respectful of other people around him. Science works because different groups go about trying to find the best approximations of the truth, and are generally very competitive about that. That the same scientists can still all agree on the wording of an IPCC chapter for instance is thus even more remarkable.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/
When the shrieking Deniers find something to refute the *science* amongst this collection of alleged *private* communications, then we can all get excited. Until then, this is just another demonstration of how desperate the Deniers are to discredit individual scientists instead of attempting to refute the *science*. The reason for that - they have no response to the *science*.
Prediction: much shrieking and hollering from the deniosphere for a few days. Normal service resumed thereafter: anthropogenic climate change is *fact* beyond all reasonable scientific doubt. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWemVEYVhSekRObm00anhLOS1nQmczMHpIdXFwQVFKMFVGWjZpU1RpSTRKR09MSzNJQ3JDMkgzY2JueGJYMkV6YVNHZjJraV9kTXZoVHRpTnFZRE1KYUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZGJvWFNidGZNbmFEd280S3BJUS1sS0dwbERoN1pMQk5iejRzNWo4Y2lJQ3dTU1RQWFRBeURJNTh2NnNGWlFxSG9sbUhRVjJ2dE9DRjhUbDVDZGEtR3dwUmtxdnI1RUdVTDZNdTdBVTc2RlJvTUdya0tUT2lYQU9vMGl1QjAwMm1nZHg5aXZaRW9HZmI0N1dZeVllRmltTVNjTDY0eHJXdDVKTUVDeGZaZ05wYmt1UGFnMGlIRHI4RXRteldQd0hQUWxCdFlBYjJYR0pqTmFsZzl6Um51dz09 |
I think your assessment of anything regarding science should not be used *at all*. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWRU5nd28tdDEyMjdlX3FlQmQ2ZlRYNFVaX1hpV3AzeTBJdGUyeTJxY0M4OHVnSThxRUxYZFdDbDE2a3I1djlUdnZfakxueGNRaU5rdGV6cVEyWjU2aEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzOUtZMkQ5MHhxYW4zMkJCbDRWU0xsMjc2LTIwZFMta182Y2tCNzY2Mm1odjJ2elVSYU8zSHVyYVdwald2RmpYSnQtbDZxdFZXV3FWYzE4RlBoV3M2UXFPbHU5MUJwSlpSc2E1RFgzZkVUcVhKbk40TzBFYTgzR3luS0M1akhvR0xpV2FwQ3BkTE1iUXBHSjJOWk1GSVNRQ2o3emNfT1l3NzJzckwzcVJZOE1lWWlHVWwyUnJEUGFlUUpYMzFWcmFPaHRLb3VYWnc5Q1BVNWJYM050cFozUT09 |
this is front page at foxnews, of course. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWUzFCRnUxTnpUUGFQWlotVkduQ0N1WTB2bXFERG9uNGZuRHNfWkx5RWZZSko3aVdNbm1GdXVhWWU1aWpkY01Vb05ULWxDSnVRUEZ3NnZtQWpaalRtb2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzamR3UllSeFNVNVpHalY1TzZScGdhSmtidEQyTmFkV2paNTMwRVlOMmdQODZINXJWY29MNEhtT2xaelRHNE1RQ0NTcjlRemQyX2VYd2RRamd6UVd4Yk5URjV0QVpWQlNHVXpFYzR4dXg1MGE5NjJmSi1WWEJEcE14VURyT2dGVWxONUZtZTkwT3dpcmE5dFdpZ09QMVI4bjlzZzIwbWlPb1FqNUNzR3JfT2hweWp4UWY4YWVXd216d294Mmp3YUViS0lKYTBjdVlyV3V0RzQ5cG1jb1BJdz09 |
Why aren't the files on Wikileaks? They have a good process in place for vetting leaked documents; what process was used to vet these? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWX1ZyWFVzdHMxLTNxc0RfdXFTNmVQZXoyWlFFU0xKWVJwNDFpODY4NXlqRHdySTNVVGxVbWhPM05qbGpydGRTZlNlQW1mMS0wXzRUVGk2LTBldDVsMGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRGZ2dmlHZ0pDOUFYT3BJZ0dpOThwSHVjTXhOWmgtWG01S1dSNURYWmxqeE82cGRKWm1NeklVRUVYYkJTZWlwU1NKR0R3VHNnX1hOeFV5dnVOVmh6MlZrNjdLdi1lRHYxNzJ1VTlVTlVidTlwUV9hRjdETE51bk9zYVo1VGN0bW5hRTdsYTMtV0s5ejNTRkU0MDBTQk0yOUNkMFpXTUFiaWowOHE2MmM4LWtFLWFadl8zZHhzbW1mRGtJNVVBVEJxa2N4VmJLWDZ3ckFYbHUyN0V5Zm5LUT09 |
And how does that effect the validity of the emails and other data? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWY0tyUElhajlZN3J1aWwtWGFpVWNaRFA3NjF6d3lUNlM2WURQaWxFeDdHZEt1YUhPWDI1djdGaXQyTmE0b2tFOVhBQ1pFQVBYSGhNSUFZbTFkcEZsOXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzYjUtZ1BROUlVbzVjUU8tcnF3ZzIzeTNCWXEwWGhoY0J2S1pvZnRJSmdaSzRCV0k3bS1ObGs4SGhPWG9tVjZ6cmV2ZDVhSGRmZHNiMHVqSGxaYWpGd1B5R0N2OXdIN2NOeEtOM1Y5V1VtWTNjaUVKZEExdEhsMWlVbEdCZkpqWVFVWUtOQzRRbWZrNW8wRXdGcl9sUVFlNnZCSUZjUVhXbUVlVnZsRlJNYWJtaGItMTU3N0Z3NVJXaDRyUnRnOHdfcWd3X0ZvRXBhdkdWdzlPSVVheDU2Zz09 |
hahahahahaha
I think your opinions regarding my knowledge *are completely irrelevant*.
This event of CRU being exposed is completely out of my hands.
Yes, I know it hurts. But trust me, attacking me is not going to change anything. That stark truth is why you are so upset. So go on, keep venting your frustrations at me. I'll be your shoulder to cry on.
The funny thing is that if the AGW believing idiots ignore or downplay all this, which they will or else they know they are finished, it will only prove even more that they are not at all concerned with the scientific process, peer review, honesty, integrity, exactly what everyone knows already.
Hahahahahaha | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWM0RGbnc3ZGl2S2tUd1pzT0ZXTzA4dGJUMzQtX3Bra2dmSkVWR2RXMjI5ODZrM0luZk9zUWJoaE85TmhIMlo3OTI0Nk9ZZVFzRUlETFpaVU1lZnBkS2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzR3RpX0k2bUZ5SHFFUjV1SXVzbDM0cUlOaHhPblNEZUdjRnZJVXdqSWJmVHpmelVldU12ajh2X1F1OGxYMF9zcjRJY0xjbW9ZYldnTVdlUFBZV3FDWGJYeGdrQU0wOVhhYVd2RnJBOHM1eVNnOGJmSzJSaDJhZWRsODhpbC1nVEk1R0RDbmZyMldRTFFfTk91eGpJYl9URlFKcEw1SU1QaFZ4N21ha1dsWElackhPTno3SWE0Z1oySUs3SUYxZlh5OXZDcDRFdS1RRkdDUXgtRXlHZFdLZz09 |
Having a bias is what you're accusing them of doing.
If you want your point to be as strong as possible, avoid even the appearance of bias.
I say this from the standpoint of trying to help you form the best possible case for an argument, not in regards to what that argument might be. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWMGlfRHdwUllWY1J4X29uNnlJM3JCdXViUVNyTEZYZHFJcFZrbUdjVkUzejBSbWVoN3pxMTBsTUdfNWxtc1M4dVFPV1FDaVNfTUh5MWVDWEdhZTBmb3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzeFVBZDFfTU9yVUJhMWlNMWV6SUZJSmxnWFdCS09sZXJ3aGRzNWE0S2M0a2Z6WlF6ajRyUTVfWXNiVDluR19kSnFISTN1ZWp5QXZTMlp5d1o1N1lCVXNDOUE4ZThwb2s0aWRBSVExblVLVWRjYkl0dnlUQ3dnVnh5VGF2aHdTQ0doNXNvRGlwX1FHZGNZdm1sMnlxMUFZR2NxTy1RWThJMVBZYVdKWS16SUxSN0NYVE1qT2ZHXy1YSGVvcHl4Y2hCa2ZQYUNyaXpPZ1E3TW5aWDZaUWZPUT09 |
In response to your EDIT 3:
> No doubt, instances of cherry-picked and poorly-worded “gotcha” phrases will be pulled out of context. One example is worth mentioning quickly. Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the ‘trick’ is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term “trick” to refer to a “a good way to deal with a problem”, rather than something that is “secret”, and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the ‘decline’, it is well known that Keith Briffa’s maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the “divergence problem”–see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while ‘hiding’ is probably a poor choice of words (since it is ‘hidden’ in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWVGU2d19aVDNiUDFhb0hRaGJSUVBFYWs5S2VvbW5qXzVWblZKNWxlSkE0OHJmUkFCX0FkLVR5UThWcEpqQnB4bU5hcUllVmpSenN4UHhKaVZsMXRab3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTUVqMmhObm43aG5Wa1RMSFcwWVpuQ3A2NmtFdkJlaHRDN1J0MUNzcm1WaVJoVGZPSEZXNXdrNnNuQUdabDUyTmxMcE81Sk03TVYyUmFDNUxpWWNJVGdjWlJFak5pZEUxY1FRb3lEUXZEQVRvbEstMkN6RVpxSGIzbHAyZGdtYkdRbFF6R1lqV3VVRDFQUW5oUllOQ21pMTVwWFRJdklTTUpodzE2R3FvUGxybE5pRXJYdjdwUVdya24yd1V6RVBxalpweHNjTVViSm1JeGsteGFzZFJNdz09 |
[The process](http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Wikileaks:Understanding_submissions) has been attempted, from what I've seen on a few blog posts.
I'm not sure if it's a matter of time, or if the zip file is so widespread it doesn't qualify. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWc0pWZjQwckNDNXJoWmhxazI3ajQxU1ZTbEdiM3NxcmY0dHA4Qkc0c2cxY3NzcFEzRzc5eDNERG9rN3ppbkV1ZzRySDR0TjhaalhkT1p2YlpYcmFETmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNkNFTVduWUJOYlRWQWNRX3I2MHYxZEkxcE4xT0ZDSTdGLVpKVGNwNVRTb0hZOTZzMncxZEVZWjQ0OUVtLW9UcUM5Nk9iN3JfR2FjdlBnN1BidmNid2QzWlpJSktXRUlaUXV0RlpzZkJGTVIzQ1g4al9BOFBmUWdLQVFVU185Q29nS2RmQy1zYndibE1FMFNOSDFtMnNuUVlyNlowQjZCaUdwSF9MbkZ6clNMUmFuREpPbV96bEVZZ245aWFOVzE5X1YyYkJZdUtwSTJrUGRwdEg0QmR1Zz09 |
good advice. dunno who's downvoting you for it. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWSjczVGw2MFVfejl4NVd1Ymh6eVlSWFY3Sld0MDNJOEw5S0I2dEZSQ0NIV2xvbU9zZmczNTduekEzYzV4SXVWZjNTN3FIc0Jvc0FuaERVRko2WjNtaVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVFFCeExzSVZKOTc2dHNZYTE0SVMzQ0VIeWJ6VTBCSVBRbGdyVUtHUmZjR254Qm9pWGZtRTI2YXhJUURxMGpNdnd4TS1iYl9WVXp4Vkd1aHV4RjA5MU4taTUyaElTX1BUdEcyTTRTWmZ3dF96RjlHNkp0MW9vVjJJenhuTEt0U2ZsbjN2R1lHajlYbHllTjQtUU13aTR2Y3RSazg1dmpGR2Y3MjVLODBDVlVySGkxcnJ2eG9peW41cVkxM2k2cUtTN0wxakdtQVlLWGEyTGZxdmpLbERvUT09 |
You think science is researched, tested and established via private emails? Aww, that's *adorable*!
Make the most of your jubilant shriekin' and hollerin' - it's the only reward you're going to get for this storm in a teacup - unless you've got some... y' know... *science*. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWalBjN1JZbFl0S1NBU0RGbHEtVVUtZm9zRmpRMjZpek55YmdQRC1NekdtRnk0akdiYk8xU1JwakVNekFnNEc3NWxYSnZIUDVPMW9VbFFGdEFwbDBHOGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzS1dUN3B3VXV4dVYzMkRud21Jd2RNRTBDbUI0Uk8zQm04dWVmNnp4SUNkZnAtUHA0aVF5aW1TcXVvZVIxeHp2STBwNGpPM29XTGd5aFoxRDJLMTNwdTlUcXdiTldkOFJqcXpEcmtJOXBycjJqMkFNSThZdTZsUk1FZERERHIxdVJCcnU5OEE4aE9vODhZMS1NOFJOSGRMa0JLaS1FQ283S2tzaGRUc0tlMGt6Y1dEVVVfYWF1dmY0ZnhNXzVTbVNFWUZRWmZDVWNGdFphblRVUHFkbG9IQT09 |
How does the validity of the emails affect whether it's on the front page of foxnews? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWdGJMTTBCbXVTQmlZMGpaTEd2aXFaNk9RWElwTnFWWFBDQVUxOE5tS1F0OE94M24xaFlrdTBPdUhYVXVOVjJETHIzMFlpNmt3V1RBOEh2eXRTVDZUNkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzb21wekZNbXJ0NWx2TGNELW9Wci1Jajl3aFRsTzg1X1VrZVI1ZDNtNHJ1c2ZZSkFCNDJwVE1FSUpRZWpLRGNqazF5d0xIalNLNXlJQzRwSTRzMXM3N0NMNVlTUmdELTJNNEhvLTFLSzBrTlRFMnVxcGlGc1lLRWFGZXpxV2lrZ1hIUTZ4ektpWEQwTnJLbmhVYndLZFNDSkZnTkxCRVJ1S1ctZG9yQnplNTlrYVUzSDRTZEFoOG1NdnFHQ2lQbVZtS1Q3R2hTQW1hOFdmeHlmYW14N0k0UT09 |
Another way to look at this: let's assume that the scientists at CRU are all liars who are trying to fool the world in order to do... something! Let's assume the Mauna Loa CO2 measurements are faked. That the satellite data is faked. That the images of melting glaciers are 'shopped. That the thousands of natural proxies, e.g. growing seasons, bird migration, blooming of flowers, migration and spawning of fish, dates of mountain snow melt, peak flow of glacier-fed streams - they are all *faked*.
Let's assume all of that.
How have they managed to fool the thousands of scientists represented by the following:
* The national science academies of: Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Cameroon, Canada, the Caribbean, China, France, Ghana, Germany, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, India, Japan, Kenya, Madagascar, Malaysia, Mexico, Nigeria, New Zealand, Russia, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Sweden, Tanzania, Uganda, United Kingdom, United States, Zambia, and Zimbabwe
* American Association for the Advancement of Science
* American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
* American Astronomical Society
* American Chemical Society
* American Geophysical Union
* American Institute of Physics
* American Meteorological Society
* American Physical Society
* American Quaternary Association
* American Society for Microbiology
* American Statistical Association
* Australian Coral Reef Society
* Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
* British Medical Association
* Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences
* Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
* Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
* Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)
* European Academy of Sciences and Arts
* European Federation of Geologists
* European Geosciences Union
* European Science Foundation
* Federal Climate Change Science Program (US)
* Federation of American Scientists
* Geological Society of America
* Institute of Biology (UK)
* InterAcademy Council (representative of the worlds scientific and engineering academies)
* Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
* International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
* International Union for Quaternary Research
* International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
* International Union of Geological Sciences
* NASA
* National Research Council (US)
* Network of African Science Academies
* Polish Academy of Sciences
* Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
* Royal Society of New Zealand
* Society of American Foresters
* Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London
* The editorships of Science, Nature, Scientific American and New Scientist
* The Joint Science Academies
* The Royal Society (UK)
* The Wildlife Society (international)
* World Meteorological Organization
Did all of those organisation and the scientists that they represent just go "*Oh well, if those couple of scientists at CRU say it's true then it must be! No need to check anything that they say. And no need to wonder why all of our data confirms the exact same thing!*"
Rather than this incident being a coup for the Deniers, it's going to expose their lunacy to a wider crowd of people. It's going to be another spectacular own goal for the anti-science zealots. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWR3d4OWkzZUFyeWdjQzJIcXVyWVZmUi05Y01SbHlzZzNkLTA4NTBlX0I3Q0s0bnRhVWwzLUNya1RscUZVTDB2YjFWeWs4cGV1ZU4yLVdST2FEOGZLd3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzamc2alBUSFFWWl9mMTRxQmEyY2lFWXl0QlRrd1BOVzIxS3JpNGdkenlIZTNwNjdCM25DbVVJR1dfT2NlVkNGU09leTdvczh1N0lDZzRYM1lxdWJNRm1LV2tPWEktck5fQ2s0S0JLTlhSZ3U4bVhiTUJ1a29jQmYybUhsXzFIMURNTjRPLUhNQ2JlNk5QcGt5dzVVQjZmTEhlX0FTVVZKQnZBTUg4MXBhakR3T0N1VlFHeVcwY1U4ZVZ1Tk5CRTZoeHUtTTRMc0V4Y3pfVFY0eGs3c1FBdz09 |
I was with you until:
> anthropogenic climate change is fact beyond all reasonable scientific doubt.
Prefer:
> The evidence strongly supports anthropogenic climate change. Until new data disproves its predictions, or new models more accurately fit the observed models, it's the best existing theory.
To show how what you said went too far, here is an analogy:
> Newtonian physics are fact beyond all reasonable scientific doubt.
Quantum mechanics, Relativity and even Electro-Magnetism showed that Newtonian physics are not *the whole story*. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWLTJTbEJNQ2c1QzJQRmt1cmgxcFVGOXl4NXZqZlVOYjRmTVhEOGxfVGpvUWpWYUNHVzQ0dDI1dl9iZzM1SnBkRW5qaFdUeWxwTjV1X2pGZnc2dy0wR3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzc2U4bVNITHVMSWw3ekZtNXhNcUZqVDhMeHQ1RlRMZ3ExX2lBN0J2X0M0dlRNci1WWW5ydEdncHFQT1pxdUxGNWh0VnBDNzU3alRyd3l6NGVIMF9lcVhHOGNTQ2NoQmVmSl9ZeldsSGU2bkVXME9tR0lzR28wdUNodFJjYjY0ZmtFSnFNQW4zanhpc1l6RlV3TnhHTWh1UVpqUkJQNExsMEJEdERNbW40VGxrdW11VzBpZHlkckVHS3A0YmFFaElieGFiSGxwQTNuUExkZ3JmRE9Fbll3UT09 |
So... You got nothing then. Does this mean that global warming is real and we'll have to take the bus to work after all? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWZUFBYnAxTkt4cGNsbjZReTB4VmhybVBZbXM0VzJnd2hpZUpBQkhvWEdoVVdwdGtWNTdka1pSdXAxSldwQjJBeEF5WF9HMFZRZHJiSlNuTGczbHRTZmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzOC0zNExKQ1dLb0J3cExrNGRMTlJERlphSjBQM1lXSlFoQnFjeTZId2hial9UNnVpcWdpS2JVLTlkN01JbS1Ba2l1MTVRTGNvVl82WHBsUlNRMmhvT2JYZXoyM01qd1o2SWpVVEM4MjJPaDFPWFB3akpQM1ZWUFlhU0hWdjZyX2dveWR3Zy1jVEJ4TkpidktFdDJCSjFUcTU1SnFEUFBYbVNMZlBfWXZTMFp5dmgzWXQzb0FjVGdpXzJFa2t2MEtGRUdSa1hWdzhwZUJINzQtOUZ2V19HQT09 |
Whereas you visualize me "shrieking" and "hollering", for obvious reasons of course, I am continuing to tell you that your opinions of *me* are completely irrelevant. You can play attack the messenger all you want if it makes you feel better.
The science has already shown that man is not causing the Earth to warm up. I don't quite know why you are displaying this rhetoric here with me that it is up to me to provide you with *science*. It's already been proven by science that CO2 is not causing the Earth to warm up. It's already been proven by science that CO2 changes follow Earth temperature changes.
Now, the fact that you are now downplaying these damning emails, as expected for someone who doesn't consider the science but rather the consensus of a group of people who are obviously conspiring to hush up the evidence that contradicts them, is just more proof that the AGW movement is agenda first, science, no, science is not even second. It's agenda first, denial of science second, then science third. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWSDk0TmdDSWF2MlVFUkFYdzN0bFdpbTNWRkhGdHl4UVhwRmpnMTFoZ1dYQzVuNTJnWnFfc05vZExQQ29JQlAwSk82NERPVl9RcWdHQ1B6QkJ6MXVnOEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNGw0WnZvb2hteFpVYWZaaG5lcjRiaUNCR2hjak9ZSVhtekJJdEUycEFBSXp0T29pM0VTZENLazJSRXBLZjB1ZUFBeURJRkI0NFZBRE1WNEdZTDEtMWt4NUtlUHZqeTk0azFWUzFXYzc5MEZlRURMYVE5S2ZVckZad2UzUkFvaDd6UldJQ2ZLTDA0U3ZXZUpKalV5VHpUR0xIYWJXb1g5RW1ISFpaSm1PTXpQQ18xZ05rR1E0alJ0bUNZaEk3VWF0aTQ1S3VRUVV0UG1ldnRCN09zY1p0QT09 |
If the science is so settled then why the obfuscation, why not publish the data and methods they used? Why all the wriggling over the FOI requests? Why the gaming of the peer review process, making sure they got favoured people reviewing their papers? Why all the shenanigans over the IPCC review process? Jesus, you call this "science"?
There's [450 peer-reviewed articles](http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html), and growing, refuting AGW\ACC. There's [31,486 scientists](http://www.petitionproject.org) willing to put their name to a petition refuting AGW\ACC, and plenty more not yet willing to put their name to it. And before you say they're not climate scientists, neither is Hansen, or Schmidt, or the head of the IPCC, or Mann, or Briffa, for that matter.
And if anthropogenic climate change is fact beyond all reasonable scientific doubt, what is it that man has done to cause the recent cooling? Where are these facts? Not in East Anglia, it would seem. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWVXFDSlc5eWlhRndKd3dXNHN2aHYwdTFrVVY5ZGl4OHN2WlF2cHljb1pSM1BOZTdqOHJiakF4MlBKSkoxa0ltVFRUakVzVUJFOGlPMWE2aFpxSU5WNnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWDVRWlZWRnh6TEZ3MkRCT0JoR2ppeGxqNkF3Wkt4NEZVTm5yaGFfa3VYY3J6bjk2b3V6aDlBT3FVdVpjLXl1bGNLVWZtX01nSlc1enZ6ZGZMcXpfN1A2TllFNzlhWXp0LXp1YWVpMmVSLWlLMWoxWURPbU9FTnNPZ092SFhkbVNlVE9HaTczcFE5cGU5dzJPWTdERmhTR3dNcGVGSUFlb1dVa01LaENuRWdlT1czcEdvWWxkVXptN1pqRXpyVDE3TE43Wnh0Q2RyTWhGWUV3dG11YmhHZz09 |
You're **100% right.**
However, Fox is acting in a shockingly biased manner.
When there are 100 news events supporting the theory of anthropogenic climate change, and predicting dire results, Fox is silent.
When there is 1 news event which raises questions, it is on the front page in a nice 72-point font.
Also, the article makes no mention of the response from [RealClimate](http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/#more-1853).
That's the definition of **Journalism FAIL.** | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWZXZ4Rnc1cnZ1bXRScGN1VnZLVHk3UEZZejJ0MFd2azFaZDBaU0ZfOGhtaHZHdksxeG81TWtDMmFudllhU3NCYXBVcDh2N1p0NTUxMG12WnlIM2RWZ2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzY2h4Nk15Q3d2M1VQX09tUlNmdHI2LTkyYUFLaEJUS2lDYTk4Qm93bm1hUlRFU1RqZEYwWjBkVUVWdTZjclYtMkliSUp3SFJvczNfRVVEckZOOHZNVVpIelpLZ1NQcEJQZEtId3NsR3h6aWRlZm1yVXotOE5kcmtnT1hIQlJlY01sLUxaajNNeGhObHFHQm9PV21rZjFkRTFUc0szSlZuYkFDV0pkRDlsWW40MmJLcUdfNk9LUjZ5LS1rMGwzdXk1V1J0ZG80dHVsa1VJcEluc1o4eEx5dz09 |
long list is long | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWY3pNUEZlR3g2ODhJcmZtRmxOcUJvLVZBRHJEYjh0ejV4N3pvUlYwOHVIaW4zV3JwLUQwTnVnZk5YMC1nU25tS1ZSc1NpRjhCV21Idm1odENVMm82RFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQzNEOU1za3hZMUlENUVIeUlsQU8zSXVwN0FnZ2RqellablgyWURERHpWZXpYRWlyVkRZZGFackZfeWlrRVFiTHJDb3hJb21NX0h4N1RGNnZBaEQ3SUZZbGJlOUJCdDlGeG1pODQ3TGw5bGEwUlE0VHdmY09QVjBlcVh3MmI5YUd3SHZSQmVkek5DRDktZllBRU1xcUlWSThLZE5wcy1SUjNDOUR5NWprLXpOR3M4R0lZS3FEdWFoRFFpeEFnQUloX3prQ19sTTRuSE9QdHpxN1ZwVFpTZz09 |
So far, none of the claims of this sensational headline (mass cover-up, manipulation and suppression of evidence, disguising medieval warm period, squeezing out skeptics) have been demonstrated by the leaked emails. Rather, it appears that the climate skeptics are so certain that they will find such things that they are already trumpeting their existence. The emails I have read seem rather innocuous and typical of scientists discussing data analysis, graphs, research papers, etc.. It is only the skeptics utter unfamiliarity with how the scientific process actually works that such mundane conversations seem nefarious.
| r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWRlRVQ3UxQnVUQVZtaXUxbnlpNF9CMlU3amZYc2wtTkFoSmRjQzA4ZFB4Wm1RSEFjc240QzJMTGRSd2s2Y05UYXVTLVFIT0w4aHNleDVDeW1aNlp0NkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbVlBUXFjSWZTM21xZ1dXM0s4Q0JOYXJjcGFQQ2JmUWRfcmUyWll6SVk1WUNlcnFmMlRzTUpSUWlSS216UHl3TC03X3ZXSEhlYjBzSTRqa2FrcGpkT1kxMEdfNkduR2s1ZkVBTUZORmE1eTZPR3RmY1Y4T3VLNTRwdU5zQjN5QTFWZGhMNDJFRnVQWVZrRnpVbE9IRklKV3k3bWJzQmtZOEJnenVtOTY2OWxMeENJNGgyal90bWtZb24tV1ZibzF0dVJLQ3BLOEZDWGQzZlRnei1VSm14Zz09 |
>anthropogenic climate change is fact beyond all reasonable scientific doubt.
so you're saying it's a ..... religion? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWbmsycExJLXh0NmNzclBibTlyU25FU1FOck0xM3RUanI4MEpXMUJHZlZSb0dWWEFUclluVnpDaVBxSVR3RC1KeExCZjFadW5falRUaUxIMUVGWWdvbWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZVpVbFVNV2xRQ2ZPT3Y0cG1FRzR3amNXMWxSV193RDlLdHFiSGNqUldkSFRmbG9zVjNmRVJKQmI0MzFBdVBZRVZSYlVRdklDaHlsSC1uN2dxdVUya2hPZk1GeU9qNVdsSHdkUGk5N19uQVJOaWFfcWhWbmJ0Um1mSUhuZGd1NXlkc1FsNlA4R0NVSXlzRzVQRHE5anFieDNjaGwwcmVWai1oYjNnZ1QySFA1VUpSaGMwa0VzX01ackc4eXBOS29SSWNPSTcxaTl5elFreWpvWTllcVBPQT09 |
That's a bad analogy. Newtonian physics isn't wrong; witness all the robotic spacecraft missions to the planets, all steered by Newton's laws. What quantum mechanics and relativity have done is to extend Newtonian physics. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWb1VEcXlNVko0U2xOR202R3EtX00tck0zQ21IcUFocUpBRG9ucEhrWGhHeHFOTzNkS0FiVzhqcEh1UUVxblAxSEZ1ck5KQktKb2hhaUZLZ1FwaGszQ0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTkl5aFktVnloeUI1cWpnSkJ3SG5YcWU3a0VqWWp4R1U2eHlqSmc0V2NCYzMtT0hyVm5xc3lyaGp3SW9iYjBLU0hJRWpRTjRKcWxLOXNkdmVTMXhMejRBX3NzOWJzMWRtWjF5NE1QRWlBZ0hyX1lMMmEyOHJmVk45VHFfQjZPYmlNcTRtMVFUanQ5QXBQYUgxaGNLMFJmcFpISk90SjlMdktUY01oV3ZVeUluZ29HSWx6ODJURlVOTVA4R0o2N3p1LVBST1pQLUxwb0xVN2RhSW9vbFNnUT09 |
When there's an accusation that someone is putting their thumb on the scale, it has to be responded to.
The eagerness of people who jump to conclusions based on the accusation is an unfortunate, unstoppable reality.
The scientist must be dispassionate, transparent, and fully honest.
The sensationalist thrives on fear and lies.
But the truth will out. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWTzBEdG10V280UC11R2d5UDB0aXJad1VpQlFXS3BCR0FFTGxCQWFiUGZTS2I0cWU5ZnlSTm1XdERpSjR4NE54QWRBSXFUblRmc3l0V1BtQkJSUEcyRmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNlZqYW9DTVRQRU8tRFFmYkRpbVZQMXJIdXU1NXVxWDNzVXRlRFVIMzRlWXhYbFMxSExqamRSUVkybjRqRFJJc3BpejdEZVFJQTAtUjZrb21JTk1TSzdIcmVQbkU5c0RWWEVUd0VNZVp4c3FyWGVSXzlNX3p4anFoakR4N0RmcFVUODFWQk9zQWV0MWhvSFhPUS0ySzRxSXFEbUtOQ0h5ZzYxS0dnckdneHlBT3c3Rm5PZUNwYjQxaVFJY2NwNkxiSFJVNGVMd1hCOXFDZVVXN0ZsVzJ4Zz09 |
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/rcs_chronologies_rev2.gif
The black line is what they were hiding. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWZkQ2R3FUaWN3cEVJWUJHV1o2SnFwbmtDSkNGZERheUo5OTFNel90VzBtNEg3N0p1SDhPaktSd3lVeXZYeEc3R3Yya3pnVDgxeG9MT0pUNld6cEV6SGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWUkxbFZFR21NcmtwWmZYOFpKczRvZ3l0b0JXb05URzBUa1VLM25pMDNQUjJ6bkFpeDdiT2lzejFWSHB0LWJwRXBicHdEaHoxLWtNdW4zYXh3TGoxSXdvUU11TnUtb3NnQ1VvdkluZ3pyb0lSNlNMcXlubHBfc29OdW1mUDk5WGs1bkJLWk1SeUR4Y2xpSEx2cDN0d1k3UUJTX240M1dKdjJWZm42SkN4cUlETEZfbmtxUGhWZ0JXRnJPemx3bEhxUmZwWktQbS1pV3lzUDYtbi11bUhLUT09 |
>I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.
How could this be construed as anything other than nefarious? That is of course if the emails prove to be genuine. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWTGpWRlp2X3Z1WHBKZ016RVpRN2Z0ZjdQbG04aDFOU01nWFlGazFnZ1F4Q1BkQXJBRjduN1FONVpQMEM1WWM2RF9jSmRiOThTMlJQVFRybkEzOWt1UEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZVFWc3duVjNzQV9uSy1MNmF6c1hFNTU3TXgwVTdtQ2dUWi1SaUZTR1lUbWI2T2tYLXdkWnozalRNMm1feVBkcW1YZ2l3TnI3U2ZkVHVicWJEYTdsUjNDVURicm93ejN3SUVoNTZBbXpPZ0tuSjNVWWQ3Q2pTWnktNFp2SGVnXzRSV0NfczZScHllNWh3M2p6US1HbVlJbS1Ya2xMMG55ZllmMFlMelM2MXZuYVFrZHl1Uk1LMmZOMG45bGtIV18wU3h4YW0weDNSOTVqS1ozRF92WktrQT09 |
Nothing in science is a "fact" in the sense that BlueRock claimed. That's what I was trying to drive at.
At everyday scales, yes, Newtonian physics does great. It doesn't explain Electro-Magnetism however, so it's an incomplete theory. It is not "a fact" that objects behave in Newtonian ways. *shrug* | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWU0dYR2h0MXQ3aEJEdHNhdzZVb0pDQ1pQMV9QZHBuVm1ta09UbzBjQTVCd25OTmQyUk90X3FlWjI1aGZWN0NUSmFpNmJxRE5RSHlESElkSmt5bTlQVEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzb3MxZU5uSk44V2M5VzY0TGlDTUYyYzFPVXFVQWkzVW4wX0ExSmdIeFZqTXdqQW5LbHVWeEktcmpYWm5FRTJCdW9UUGdSWGIxcktPNm45aDRWdk5KYlJXRm1PMHNRWkZmekhJUTVab3pPTVlkYVNPSjNUTVZXTWVMYUNRQnItZmhlNXhZRUNyWXpUNWppeEFfQ21CVl9SSThKZXRXQWlEdTdtbnZ4Y2NZNXNLTExZNkY3cFdvVWpZWWNOTnl6ODZPSXlnYWxnWDk3cUhNMkNtd0oySXM4dz09 |
So, I downloaded the [first PDF](http://www.freesundayschoollessons.org/pdfs/climate-history.pdf) listed among the 450, just for a start.
It says that there was a medieval warming period.
How is that a refutation of anthropogenic climate change? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWS2NmdFNBbl9oTW54c1J0WWItRnJOVU1YUndxbDVpWTVEY2l3VWZPb3U5VEkwelp4aWVoaklKeHdObGFTQVNsWjM3QTAxbmNpa2F3NElDYi1Ec0tNR3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzeEVjcWVhOEw2N2FWVkVDY2pLNEE1cURNSlgyMlhCZEdpNS01a0ZkZkQ4RE1WRHZzbGJFUjFPZFdlaHR2ZkpWSGtpUGtyWjJwZjdLVU1ONERjbmNwU0swcEsyTDZHamZKMUNQcjJjdnFEU2FnRU1MbDg5czhzcFpfRWV3RzYzYndDWmVXOXF4dXRhTXdHcGtteGlGdGZ4OG8yNVk4ZFFqY245VjhnWDFWOEZsZmtWQi1EZkw5UGR1RzNhQkVGc3U2N0M2V1g5eGJwNHV6OEN3TGFnaEV5dz09 |
With regards to the 31,486 scientists...
> The current list of petition signers includes 9,029 PhD; 7,157 MS; 2,586 MD and DVM; and 12,714 BS or equivalent academic degrees. **Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.**
*Most* of them? That's not a very strong criteria.
> **Many** of the signers currently work in climatological, meteorological, atmospheric, environmental, geophysical, astronomical, and biological fields directly involved in the climate change controversy.
*Many* of them?
> Atmospheric, environmental, and **Earth sciences** includes 3,804 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment of the Earth and the past and current phenomena that affect that environment.
That includes people looking for oil, does it not?
> Computer and mathematical sciences includes 935 scientists trained in computer and mathematical methods. Since the human-caused global warming hypothesis rests entirely upon mathematical computer projections and not upon experimental observations, these sciences are especially important in evaluating this hypothesis.
Yes, but how many of them have *every looked* at the real models? I'm a computer scientist. I've never looked at the real models. I could sign a petition saying the opposite, and it would have just as much weight.
I think it's *fascinating* that so many people wanted to sign this petition, and I mean that with no sense of irony or satire. I'd really like to know more about the dissenting opinions. I think it's incredibly unfortunate that the petition in no way assessed even the *self-measured competency* of the people signing, let alone giving them a basic competency test on the topics. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWVVFfS0g4NXQzQ0lvLXV4Y1k2a0ZNZXRSY2VBTUpaZ0ZRQ0NFSkJteXVqanhsRF9hdUpCZ0ZoQ2ZWdHY2aENQaUxxOVR6Rk92Qk5IZDBFdVZzc1NjakE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzanV5dnVuODdKcjJSVlpPR1lDeXAyWF9uZk9RQ2xicFhXNzN1NDBpZWt6RnRhRS10MVFUdW13RVJaUUVIX2xoNmgtMkxaY2g5QWZrWDc2cHdTV1M4YWRoUkJMcE1wekVuNGd2aGxUNzRSVWI5dzZ5SE5nLThLbDVaQjA3WlhpYmFqMFE1a0JoSkNqcERBUDlzSVVWcFpqdFlmZFl4a2tvVkQ3RDEyZnQ5ZU1KaUstTUR3YlRQdmM2LUZYZ2ZqOHZiam4xNGZWQmNyX2RBQmdBeEl0RWw4QT09 |
Eh, because it happened when man wasn't having an effect on the atmosphere. The very same people who's emails got hacked have been doing their best to wipe out the MWP, since because of it, they couldn't say that the recent warming was unprecedented.
By showing that the MWP had in fact occurred gives strength to the argument that natural variability is just as likely responsible for the recent warming as humans are. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWZ0Z5VGxkVVM5YjE3b1B0ay03X0NMZDVlVFBzaVgybmVLYjhNRUxhSVBKbTE4UEhQQVNRRTVaSjAwNE5mSExxYzlpTGpzZnJXaVQ1dlg4VDJSTXM1a0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVFh6Y2J5TnNJSmc5YlF3VFYydGFFbF9sWEltQUFFZ1JTS2ViRG5DQWVqUS1GTEtFbldxaXdFVUlSc0RGczJtM2VuS00yNWxXSlRIMlBJcjNsRnh5bjhmUThwaWhGQjVGUmlJSUE1ZjlZZlFndXN6QUN1UmVLLUJhQktBdWd3S2xreVhoeEtzWFNxZGJaOGVCNUFJd1RuWTBGb1k0Yjc2amh2UFdhVmNlTDB3OXJKbnhuWFprX1YzY281ajhLQjhPSHM5dDRpMGhZM3JUa0RUNm1PaGJKdz09 |
Thanks for posting that.
Did you read:
> As for the ‘decline’, it is well known that Keith Briffa’s maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the “divergence problem”–see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while ‘hiding’ is probably a poor choice of words (since it is ‘hidden’ in plain sight), **not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.**
You imply that they hid it because it differed with their conclusions. I honestly don't know enough about it to assess whether it's appropriate to ignore that data or not; they claim there's a logical explanation for ignoring it. By showing it, you imply that their conclusions are incorrect - do you have anything to back that up, or is it *merely in agreement with your conclusions?* | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWd09Zb1ZzM0xJbU1mREtfMFhsZl9aWUdtRUtfNHdlLW5Tbjk5TUVmb2NrM1RlenBJeEQtRV96d0JFcXV2V3VKU3ZmYmlIbnNkZlBoTmJTQm1PMFB5cFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRndkVmRKVWNfZVpWN2hMVHdkaDB6RE54Q1hXUGwtNXlpbVp1RVZwVDlBMHFHbm94ZU1IRllzUUVUdzRBM0xIUXNfaWNXVkFRNG4wVDJoVkhjc2wzY3Izazl1TERzWmRlaTdNXzNnUmxYUGpsZTdxYmtRc3Z2NEcyamtscmtMV1Ftd3BrTHZWQzYyRW42RFR4ZjRZTWxlUmxjYW5CZXVZd0NuRnFSRnR2YkxMdWRnZFE5Y0ZrR0xNc3VLV1NJSnFSNnRKbkNBUTdHNVJKMmYyazQxaTY0dz09 |
Eh, man has had an effect on the atmosphere from the moment he started clearing forests for land to farm and tend animals. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWQ2FYeTIwWXNZb1ZDVTJ2TjFzcnp6eEpLM3NlaUtVeHJFamtNZXRyYTBYRWx2MXltQ3R0cTNXMDNtNWNBengzVzFOdUFSN2tRWTBMOGRHVnc2eHp4a3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQ1V4RUJIb2FfS0ViMHRzd3M1ZzVaMGtrQ2N6RkhyWHV0anhCNm9Vb2VjNGZ0Y2daZ2tSeW1IV2JPbFhXcDVEdmhqVGNOYnk0RC1IZTY0Q2tPdkIzODZIdVZqVW1rREZmYU91bkZXS3d0bW85ZWw5OFFvSXVUbEFEMS1oa2VFQ2hidzlTQXU0V1FLMWgtRTI4SXFtcFVodlQwdWtrRHYzUEhocmdpQnpwRVN6VklmWXhqZlpJWE82dElWSk9sT25aSE8zcXVjRG5WQ1k4Q2RfN2daa250UT09 |
Thanks for explaining.
And is the point that MWP doesn't fit the models? No known trigger could have caused it?
Because if there were known non-anthropogenic causes of MWP, it would be a non-issue, right? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWYU8tclJsWTZsMUprOTM3cndNQjc4MWRXcGY1QWZIVGExZlJCQ3c3a3VDVV8zWXh0azVfU3N3Q2ZaM1h0R2llR1ZhUDduNWlpQ1pkNzAySDdiZEExWVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQVZFZ19QeU45UDQ1S3A4akcxX0xCNUZfdU5MelpOeGt3YXNsNFBTLTdpX1VpNk0yYndQSkhnOWlqMDViZFlxVnBrdWdKZko3MXlUbENOUFRySC1WQmY2bGtqeVhJWjV3WUlFcWhuODgtR3dIR2pNdW1yaDMtU25zZDNVNUhaazdTVmMyMG1pRGZKeTJIZGNIdE9YVlRNMzNuc1JaSERSWUNuQ2ozWnZmcHNMQkJUek50allRcXFCaEpmTU91bGFab0p2OGlxTm85aUctcVU4OHhDVEFJZz09 |
I'm sorry, if you're trying to do a hatchet job on them, then can you tell me how many of the scientists of the institutions that do back the AGW meme have looked at the models? And bear in mind, it is the institutions that back it, not necessarily the scientists within. I'm pretty sure that lots of them work for oil companies. What's your point? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWSnVnMFdzSUpKQWIyaGZBUm8wbHlxWjctMGZvRDdYS2tIRm4yYWNFenFYMHJWXzBsVm5NejB4NXh6UE5VdmhtTlJPUUlPU0tSZkpNVmxhT2ZzQ1AxOFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzeTIyYXgyVmVBVFZRX0I5bGpQZi1NMlVLYlJQVnh6S0d4NGFTbTVRZVdBTHpwZFRXQk1ubVZEeno1eXhpVUh4WllWWHdfV2loTTQxLTVRN1p4Vl92NVNCYXFac2ZkVXlyMEYtNjZMX3lZdGZYa0l1RlRFQ2tQUXVHSi1ZWnNYSXAybTlrbmk0V1pqc18xRW9TYWkzdm1WT2RkWUl0M2N1eVpiVUxZZzM5a3lUbFVxWEZTN2JzaWhsNVJZSzk1dDlHVVBKdW12OHNpRkhhTDBDY0xZdWttZz09 |
paulhan's point is reasonable.
If there's no known cause for MWP, then it raises legitimate questions about the theory that the cause for warming now *must be man*.
That doesn't mean anthropogenic climate change is definitively wrong, but it does apparently raise a real, unsolved question that the models cannot explain. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWaTFSa2V1QlZpUnJYelg1b1JOQmZ1OWlzTmJhbG5QQXdfNzJVWnRaZWZWWlZyNGx6OFRtRjE4dlJTWGNGUkRwX2lyQjhzVzFERTJ5VTNNQWhBeHVycUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbmNkNExQcXNGRi1abElpcTZ3SG9iZzMtS1JvNU5rSmxITTB5TEhiUlJPWEd5MFBwa2N5NDBOeWhTWWJQR3pweEVHSkFoMkNRc0hiSnQ1dV9qQWJXRFNXdnZXdi1yNzhza1FYODZoY0JWVUZKRUdnbXNVVC1HclpJZTROQ2ktUWttX1dBNkF1WGlvMTV1T0t0bVFTbmMySHdRb0p6SkxieVVHQXFwM2tGVC01X242dzNBOU9wdVJXT1ZvNm5ObzV3Ri16Tk14OHo3Y3JqTkdRUDUyRHJmQT09 |
And notice we're not getting everything, just the handpicked portions that serve a political purpose. It's easy to torrent 61MB, any hacker who could break in and do this would be able to create such a torrent. And many emails are out of context like the supposed fudging of data which was shown to be not part of the evil peer reviewed global warming conspiracy. It's good to see the nutjobs chomp on this at least, I'll have some popcorn. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWVG8xN0E1R1RYcDZNTFF3NklfMDJMS2VMaXlqajB6a1VqLWFxSTUtTFpyVzVCUU1HLXpNNkQ5SGxzdDlZTnJ6WWgtYkMzRXV3eTNaVVVlTF9aWEhnYnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSEFYQzhVdjJSVEpieXlheFZ3a2M2TVhMUUN0X3BZa0p3WHN0YWFEN25YSk5xOF9rUlBpYm5GNFU2WHpudHRMQ3hlODQwckZuamRZTVk3UENaWW5XeHdIQmYzT2ZWYmtKYThveGtXZW1uLUFVZVpjM0s3ME5Ob083dldWMG9ManMzOFVQYWV5X3prU1pLckQ5bW9vcXpTbFcyakdFUUV5MHVGSFdUbG03RC1saEZlamhjV3cwUmpkVW9NX2wxLUZnRjVRU2d4TnpycERocG5UaktIck5EUT09 |
[This way](http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1451926&cid=30176822):
> No doubt, instances of cherry-picked and poorly-worded "gotcha" phrases will be pulled out of context. One example is worth mentioning quickly. Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the 'trick' is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term "trick" to refer to a "a good way to deal with a problem", rather than something that is "secret", and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the 'decline', it is well known that Keith Briffa's maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the "divergence problem"-see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while 'hiding' is probably a poor choice of words (since it is 'hidden' in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.
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You have it exactly backwards.
To quote [Tim Minchin](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUQn0HhGEk):
"*You're so sure of your position, but you’re just closed-minded. I think you'll find your faith in Science and Tests is just as blind as the faith of any fundamentalist.*"
"Hm that’s a good point, let me think for a bit. Oh wait, my mistake, that's absolute bullshit. Science adjusts its views based on what is observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWdzNWQnFzZ2JETk1zRXY3T3MteW5WcllfckxYLS1TUFdVR2ppeGVaVWNoaVpzdmtwemtxbS1XVVJ0aTBtci1TSmlqTmhDNEgzUURQMU9MOHc4VDBBMEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzM2IxNXhLYURFVS1HSkt6Vm9NTDk2cU1ZMXp5TFJBbFBNb2hycjRtY2ZiVlBmVWxNSjlrbVJFbkRQRmVneWVfc0xZOVkwNzNzLTl3ZUNYV0hOSEVBa2VqT3ZlWTlZaFJUSGMtNWRiSFJzV1lpZzNQMXV6S25QRDREU2IxNTRseE1vQ0NWVGVzRGFhQUFONUdua0x6NFNJWFY5YWRnSVc2RlozbHBsTFJBZ1JWVG40SHRjNlEyWGRXVEVKay1talBfQjBLN2UydWk3VFk4SEJWTHdheDVCdz09 |
> You can play attack the messenger all you want if it makes you feel better.
What, precisely, are you doing? Attacking Hadley CRU, one of the thousands of messengers. Does it make you feel better?
I agree that there are some seemingly legitimate challenges to the work by a small group of people, but that doesn't mean the message is wrong.
> It's already been proven by science that CO2 changes follow Earth temperature changes.
Historically, CO2 changes follow temperature changes. That doesn't mean that temperature changes **cannot** follow CO2 changes. Consider a feedback loop, such that rising temperature causes rising CO2, causes rising temperature, causing rising CO2. If historically, rising temperatures have been the initiator of the feedback loop, that can explain history. But if rising CO2 is the initiator this time, the feedback loop can kick off and start raising temperature, raising CO2, and on and on. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWeFhIUklyYlBhQkx5RW5MeVdOcHRmclltY0wxeVRFMFhsT01wYVVuQUFhbmZrWG9Vdnk0X0hFQ1EyVVA1QmM0TUFqVXJ6ZFpHVFBwUFNaUHhZQlZIbXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTTNEMHlsNlRoWGp0OFFpa1RZM0RncDB4NXU4RTRUYW1Pb3dYcWN1OTVsZktEQWVPX0wzNk0wdVJKQUQ3NkRaYl8td3BxN0txVjl3cF9jVXlqTTdxWVBydlNpank5c3QyWWNmRDBnOVhjejlVVlhiX3BSdVFKaXZheDVlWjBSaFVid3ZsTG1OWGQtUGhOdW9GVU1IZGhMek1jbk1kVExkLTZDZjlKbXo5UHdSSU5mMWhDTFhyNDhZMENwT251aUhxaDUzdTFad3BGaUk2Z1ZGRElfSW1kUT09 |
> No doubt, instances of cherry-picked and poorly-worded “gotcha” phrases will be pulled out of context. One example is worth mentioning quickly. Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the ‘trick’ is just to **plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction** so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term “trick” to refer to a “a good way to deal with a problem”, rather than something that is “secret”, and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the ‘decline’, it is well known that Keith Briffa’s maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the “divergence problem”–see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while ‘hiding’ is probably a poor choice of words (since it is ‘hidden’ in plain sight), **not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate**, as is further research to understand why this happens.
That's how.
If you have evidence that "not using the data in the plot" is not appropriate, I'd honestly be interested in reading it. I don't know. Do you? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2009-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVWc3hiZWZ1ZGFtS0ZVUUhZYW5ib1R4RkQyS0NQaFkzeC1YVVRHa1daNl9lbERubEJSdmhWR1pRZUVESktsb2wwSmhuN29aV2RQc3pwNnYxTEN5T2hXdkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdWNQOEhVeHRlWG05dGE2R3FEYzUxcWNsY0duRWpDWmdLVWJQQUtQNjA4N1lrRWdvSVQxTEZNa1NCVWVNb3N1emwxdUIySHh6M25RWjctcDhkQjVLX3NPazZlcGxEWi1NTG9HaVRNRVVrMG5WaktyRmR0d3JrRkgtbTdtdkk5QnJFT1VPellPSUlPZC10UWRpQXZYd3BRdTJPRDdmczFHX2Voak4zSXd5ZGozOVlaMFQyX3d4VU0xWUFJM0tvV3NITGpMbnd5SGhVMnZfWC1xZ3lhY1V4UT09 |
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