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What do you expect? Intelligent Design? | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdzM0WXoyczFBdHZKWV9FUUxvS0VndG1wajJiYkhabDJfREdqT04ySTRjdEp0MTdqRUdtVVp5aXhpWWJ5cGJZcEpxOV9IUy1icmFMRDZNSUJOdjZZRGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzY1pHVHlIX2xnY1lYWmpKSHlxLVlYRnNKVjJaa3hLVHp3SEVLVEprOEUyWWlJQUJuWTdMMkh2NndOUUhibUNJbE93VkllNFI2WE91eHFuZ2Z0SHVwa1REekZBLUZnVXMzSVBkZk1HNEtKYXgyZ0pqMC1hUG1KUU9sSjVxanBqXzFxcmhaNkFXeG1DWFQ3Q1JJZUJOQW5tcjY5UDFiZkNrQ1dfazEwdnlSRDlKSTBwMThqNlUtSC1pLTV2dW92dHZlQ1dIemgzQlhkZ1hUZjAwdTRFNTh1dz09 |
I used Gentoo most of my Linux life but I thought I'd try Ubuntu for my daughters system because ease of use? After a SUPER easy installation and in the process of setting up the system with Thunderbird that evolution was an automatic install for packages. I for one hate having anything on my system that I don't absolutely HAVE to use, after all isn't that one of the things that separate Linux from Microsoft?
Then come to find since running evolution is taking up un-necessary memory and occasionally CPU tick or two even though it's not in use. So lets remove it I say... Of mice and men, so much for that idea. Not only will it remove evolution but it also removes the desktop. One of the nicer features of Ubuntu is that the package manager will tell you when it's time to upgrade - nice feature however, if you just "Hide" evolution instead of remove it, you will forever see it show up as a package that needs to be upgraded and of course if you do so you are basically reinstalling everything you removed. FOR GODS sake Ubuntu please fix that issue. In the mean time I have switched to Mandriva Linux and I must say I'm very impressed. I believe that Mandriva is a spawn from Mandrake Linux of old.
http://www.mandriva.com/
Anyway thats my rant and I do feel somewhat better :) | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUTEdpdGlnVlpQU1hEb2xlYzRkRloxc2xSZTE1dlVvZWZIS0todTh0U3V5VDBwTWFSSkZLcVV0b3JyRkhaV2RaQXhEZWkzeTdseTFvM3luS3FfcmxzZkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzN3FNU2M0V3MzTzl3Z0Q2QXNmLURKbUpIaFNaRnJtMG5tNzBLV1NrS3E5QmJDNE5jQ0Q0M3BseVQ2ZEhQdnFrMkVkX2p1b05uQTVlZm94eEZWcmk2Z1NlaDNqQ2hnR25vYzJTamVpRWhhajFPVXM5T21sWEdUNDJBUDNpRlkySDl5Q1haVHo5OGFnZGRjbFEzcmotZUl5c0tIdmR6TWExZ05lcnZTMk1wRWtlLWpvWnp1THFyVThndGFudl9YRTlMbTZka1B0Z3lEbXlxeXFodzY4OWNkQT09 |
well actually since other distros sometimes have done so, yeah hehe, I did. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUelFWUGpYbnFLN1B2Yk9xbk1Qdm5fSXdTeEF0dkFSQVBhSmc1ZmluaHlta0hpUEFYWmstTnFPQUdELWo0dlZyem96ZmtydGI5SklTNXJucnNnaDJzLWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzajZfLTBRTmpNNHRqdTk3RDRJSjdEak9xX2JjQWRselhnaVpBN0dLWXMzdVRXRThLVVRyT3A1eG15WDNBOUlEdFhxVkRvck9KZ0Q5MDZlZFNfNW1GeENaWEZGblRHRjd6cENldXAxSGx4MXNWaXkyUlM5b3NydFgzNzdNTk5YUmdYbnl1MjVxc1B1eVpYWkhQS05XdVFQSHVRbDlMWDA4UlFUajU4VkZoT0RGQ0tFZ3k4NE4zTjhzX21GQ25rVHZkQUUxSE55LVhUOHFqNWs5QmJ1NjAyZz09 |
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Evo is a bad app, it's just a pig. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUblFUS0NNcVBUTDdOSlJJeHhxVHRQaWFCR1lMelU0VVRZSUhtRGFDZFBtWWZOYlVMRER1enJybzRTUmFoUndlQjdZdDg5TEZJOVFoaG40Yklfd2RWRGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcld2X2VNOHVfblB3V29kc3FQYm83WlAySEE0ZmlzSVJfbjdJcmJ2eFZPNXVxTm1DUEJjWHp3VDROcjVMUi1ITkl4MGxmVndGalF6UW9aSDRVWG1BMjlZYXlBWk9BcnJ5amdJZ1UwYWw1NVhoMy1Zb3VjdVEyWTU4VGg1NDZnSnNMV29vOThyZW14SWlIRUg4WTdYZm1PeUpFM2VycGMwVXZvNUFtRTNXblhkZzBGS095VzBmV1YyWWhNY1lJVUdiMVllYllyZlNlRzI5NmpDYUdPRW5Wdz09 |
aye - completely understandable. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUd21KT1lMQjRUZkVYNVE1LVZfbUMxZkRIbGVqVHEyR1NsM2dlLWVwSWZadWdZbFVoZy15eHM4OGZEMmdRQld0ZWpPbnhaOTFST1V6Zm1NNXotckN1Mmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTkFPOFZaUmQ2eUFTNHN6UlNiT2lzMUdjbWR6TldIcWtnN0sta1FpTU5wT3VDcnZab3JISnhPalZvc2FMcVZnQ1ROOGxCdmpTM1FnLUZpWFRDSTkzR2VyLXBjdGZvSjNZZzhPVGJqWjB5ekhWRl90NU1PcVVlT3JfOU51VnBkTnZCb0Y1MjRCdE5vMDFwa1YxcHdfU3k2V1RBZmtXaWJYSmZLQlBRRk5RSXVsRFdxaUdUckN2SEllR0k2cVo3bTdydzBXRjhCUzZmNjV2OXBsOEJIUTRiQT09 |
I don't use it, I use thunderbird and lightning, I'm just not pissed that I can't remove it. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUekI0SmxrdUJCMUZtTWRqVTZaQ2pOS2p4cm9IZWo4cDVOMWlnMDY5QnozVk5QTnU3Q0tIVUM0UDNqalJseS03YnN2cG5FNWtoSjk1SDY3Xzg4SFE1blE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzd01pdnk4NnNiT1g2Rk9mVG5UN3IzU284R3ZsTjgwWllhdkRrZEloSHNiWFc4bXhhVE9DRGVKNW9tMzU3X2FIR1Y1WHNjRzNrTXZuN1ZfRnFYMjdGU1k5VmQ3dzZkTXplOGJXa3FHTlZOUk5nT2hjTno0ejk1Umh2U285WkNNZjdPVWN2Skt2R0Vib2xGWFlwX2JFeWtsb29ObWQ4ZXBwY0lSaC15aDZ1RFZPMFhpSEM4VWdSazk2QlpNVXhqZE1JQ04wVVVYS0FEMVNxb0tGVEhkb3RMZz09 |
It doesn't remove the desktop. It just removes the ubuntu-desktop metapackage. A metapackage doesn't have any files itself. Rather, it just has a list of dependencies. By installing/upgrading the ubuntu-desktop package, it will install everything that a default ubuntu install depends on. Removing it just means that evolution (and, in fact, any other default package) will not be forcibly reinstalled on upgrade.
I'm really struggling to see the issue here. It seems people are angry about a misunderstanding of how apt works. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUekxWMncwNUNoV3BkTjlYZ0xNS0ItcjBqTXpseUxiZ0JWaVRaWXhoRmpjMVJ5OUdEa1F5czliNW5iUEdjX3dKczNoRHl5Zkk1YVdpN0FvUnhaaWJ0ZkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcWUxQ1owdlMzSEtQeV9OQ3c0eW9NZ2VXb1EtcU1kSTlPN2tsT0U1Y1BTM2tKWUMzcE11RHZmNWRtTm1zZERkdVNORjA2M0RMaWQzS1JvRU41MEN0Q0tYekhtZC1naUM0WXp1QUlWeU94TDRrN2UtQTgwNU9KZ1N3NkM4RDJETTJtM2dSUXVvVF9OVjJVc19CRTZHTWpzQmpDM0tjVkZfZVNDVFdzSTZESEtjR1d1ZE4wWllySllXZ0Z5YzR0WFlnN3lmdm1vR0JqZzhHZUJFVWlTRkZlUT09 |
Removing the ubuntu-desktop package does nothing but remove a meta package that you no longer probably need anyway so you are not forced to do anything. This is Linux you are not forced to do anything when you RTFM. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQmM4bE1Kb01PTjQ1aFpxOVMyeXdycmQ0cmxTWmNHWHdzWFVmUTkxdUJvM0FwY0UzSGY2RF93TW5iV2lWNDVONGpmRnBJV3lCcDNlVHJTZDhPVm10Q2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNjl4akZ4aE5UMTBHMFlucnd5RzhVaWVNWEhKamh3cG9QV0lmQ1FhdUp4amRIUkgySS16RnhQTXJDT05OeVBLa09EVlpFMzFUeldwTS03Q1BzakN0eE55X2dKM0d1cDRJLUpLSmJnWkw2eEVCbFprMHJQaVR0YkRpczItdUYyOWFPOEZESWppV2RzblVld3VHWjlzR1lMSk5MaU1PWmREMVNIc1JfdE10eERmRXR1T2tsSDJhcDV5cHJIaXZidEIxNGJmalV5U3FGQjRjOFNELVlaU2FJZz09 |
Ubuntu uses 'metapackages' like `ubuntu-desktop` to make upgrades easy. A metapackage is just an empty package that depends on a load of other packages. When you upgrade to a new release, you get a new version of all the metapackages you have installed. If the release has any new default packages, they'll be added as dependencies to the relevant metapackage. This way, the user doesn't need to explicitly install anything to get the new features they were promised.
You can remove any of the metapackages you like (I always did when I used Ubuntu), but you lose some of the upgrade magic, forcing you to install new packages yourself if you want them.
The problem is that apt has no way to express a "soft dependency:" A soft-depends on B. User installs A, B is installed. User removes B, which is then marked as explicitly uninstalled. B remains uninstalled, even through upgrades. This would probably only be useful for metapackages, so maybe explicit support for metapackages would work better. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQnQ4Z2QweC1vZEVqQ0tZNXhoNTYtckJxNS03NV96aldSbWY5eEJXMTdzTDZrYmRDX25vUjlmbzBacjR0YjRrV0I3MGRId3JTZjdQVDZzV0lOZDBJVVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzeWxjOTJUbkliSnFiR01NZGlsZjZsOUc4MzkzR3hXUkhqN0JOR3Rob3ZOakZnVjd6UzZUdWJDTS1ibjJyTloyU1pJNFVlZlZDOUlMYzJzXzJUWVIzUFRBUFR4TEpzTmVsY1ljNDB5SUJyUkVudUhrcmlYMTJYRzNOODhXOVkxQjFyODlaV3owakQxdG93emJlZW5MQ2NFWE1ybjdaRy0yVmhLRzdkdjZNQ001ckhFMWFISUloV2JmXzR0X0FsMjdxT1l5SjRSaUZQNGpzVk9wUC1qTzRwdz09 |
I'm afraid you are incorrect. At least in 8.10. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdk15ZFR3NEh0YlBMZld6RmdTN1NBWE42T1lxdDVDN0FVb1pmX2dndzFsbk5kelZQZUZXc2hmR21zMDhnYUR0Yy1LQlV5UVBvaFZLZWZfOUFpSDBFZlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcG80ZEdRT3ZCMXhTUk84S0duaXlJVUlFT3p5MjdHa3R0SDllRFVRd0Mxd2hTWDQ0VktUYTBITU8tODZQZ2RzOTY3WE9VY090bzZXMXdsUE1tRFRsVk1vVEVlMmxfbWIxbi00M2ZDT3lxVDBPeGNXY05BTEoxX3MyMTNoYlJYajZDbUs1UWd5Ml9DNmVPelpDZ1hoMmtJWXVaSVNnTHIzb0hBeWpvQVYtZUphLWtxRlV4dW9tX0xfcG9zS0lHcE9TdnVJYmNUTHM3N1hnN0Ixb0pzNUtyUT09 |
IMHO Mandriva is a buggy POS.
You can tell this especially if you used gentoo before. They add code that brakes shit in mandriva and mandrake previously. It's one of the reasons ubuntu is so popular. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUNGo2RFhWdFFGS0ZYWkxBMzhDWHJMNURVQVNKcC1XWUlka0VCZ1lUdm9HaElzcHpPWjVNMUxUMTJuMnJVYnc2OHFOQTVzZ1RNemN6TlVwLUZIR21LRkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzODZCUXNrb1E5aXhacVcwelJFYzE1UmRuQ3pESmpGejJlSExVSTRqVlpyc1I2cHpKOUx1dkw1QlVsUGU2aGpDcWZTV0FjM1BfTVhWaTNfY0lnYUh4dEhkMENVODVzY2JscW55Wl9PZnF6YUpyVFVLbGpYY0xPd243eFdCUHE0RUtMNjl4WXZYa1QyQTBleHNqVTdsRlVyWWlpTkpVX0VSMlM2QnpLTnlZQ1Q2bDRkLVNKb0dpckwtWmlTVTV6OE0yM3dFdWxFZTBXcGdKUkRDVnR5a2Fjdz09 |
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Exactly. There is nothing hear forcing you to use evolution. You have to remove the desktop metapackage if you remove _ANYTHING_ that comes default installed in ubuntu. In no way will the desktop stop working if you remove it. It is nice to have it there to add in case you remove something and kill gnome. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUUm44RTNjYVZCVW5SaFJwSktTY19kTmlqMlV6WlRqUmZnVlpHQjVFLUxjM3dhM19yc1pqQ0gydVpuZVh3VkxhYWlCMDh6N0JyLXE2WExXVTY1VmNrSHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzME8zbUx2eXdTNFhBQmtQcldibm85eVo2Rkt2bjhfX18waTVxRmxyNFBXRGl2UVhBODhBM2ZwQWRabTFrZmRoT1RtNFZLR0E1eDZCTDlHbnBCSHE1U2RabmctbGJtWWUwdGFfWHZid0lpQWY2VUtmY29TM3FybmFLX2dvVTdqYjM4NVRhaDhRX3Vtd2Zya1RURllBZHVVMGJVeEdiaVhKcHpwTE1GUE9vQ1ZIQlltaFdLcEd1aGoyNWphOVhsTGtKWGQ2UWI3TTFpVERhcW1MTmo1czV0UT09 |
I am using arch now. And while it is fun to play with, I would never recommend it for someone who does not enjoy tinkering with their system. For someone who does not understand that ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage would have the same problem with package Groups in pacman. In fact I think dependency issues with groups in pacman is far more broken than meta packages in ubuntu! | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUOVpfQUwzSXZKdGZEMjV4NWZyUEx0dEg1UEQ4bmNxRE5XQnpSY1RYSU5hZUUzRkd4WE51LVlONDEwWGhmNzVTYUdoREtzUmZ4dmRIRkc1ZXBTOTVERWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzU19TVEt1THgwS3RVcDJvblBDTy16MFZNNDVldFBlaDh3S09LaHBSbTBqWGVFLWp5WEpmWlAxS2NhNFc0b0NNdE1VUTl1RWV2STBPNEFfTXgwNTYwdGlfVDhRQVFsSzBjN28wRUdhbUR1Y0hqTjFidlVhS2VpZjhYZXhGY0p6OXNMUGNYRlZLelhkaU5iT3dseXgzRzFMcnhobXNaMDZQNFY3S3hWLVFxekVJYXl3SFdnY1FObU9GdEV1ZTJBb1g2a2dnTEhjVGpuMEI4YUhYSHUtN0JvQT09 |
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If you uninstall a fat metapackage, a ton of dependent programs might become "outdated" and get auto-uninstalled. You have to be a bit of package management whiz to tell apt that those aren't "automatically installed" anymore, and you'd like to keep them. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWjZGTnZZSlJYdU1Nclk5Y0Vsd01nekRqaUF6cmE0MVJ6dmtSYzV2UVV0YjZQcUszd3owZEhhNk5KLUk0aVFMQnlPd1ctUjlWNkFXeFhkY0JTems1dkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdmVFLUx2SUtzXzd1SmpJeHdQTWdqdEZuT1RBV3lQYUQ5ZmVMSWZhWEtMX0NFc3RYa1k0SEZ5T25pZDViSm1jU1R1aXhDeFhOUUE3M19vcVNfZ1hyWERYRVF3X0Nfak5zYTg0ZHl6bnFlZkt0WTUzY2xUdFRLQ0s3czROVmpneWZYdnJNalFURml5aW1ILUl3cENiQkRGNW4wcW9oR29LMmJrdDVTMkRxRG8wWWRIQk43WlA5VGdveWlrLUgyVUJoa2lWVjUzcWRtajlSLUdNUmIzQzZRUT09 |
Apt added orphan tracking? Huh. Last I knew you had to use aptitude for that.
Probably shows how long it's been since I've seriously used a Debian-based distro. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUOGM0bGpjTnJlZ3hUOEpaNzdRdk5Zc0dfTms3OW9ESTV5d2tmbXkxU082bXdwbXlpRHBoajdkQUNLRkhEX0NmMzRVNFFvdXBOaFBDdS1TbXdXeDhsSGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVkpVWUlRUTVsek5ZRWh1S3Y4UlR6cWpJM3dxd0t6YXhEM2I4dFlFT3lXY0hhcU5SZ1pfc3pQR1g4SFBlamxCOV9pOEhkM0ZvUTZvdllxUzIzX0FTb0RrT0oyZC1QUEdxZVg5WWhlZDhCR0N0dEltNFRGcl9FcEI4QVV1UzhzdzNTREppOHVxSmRJdF94YXlaaWxVWVByaFF1YjNNamZ5aW8zbjV0X3NRQURJTHhOUHpydDdEcVJickxEZUpkcHhvM2V4M3RmV0tSNlVlRGI4NFJLUTJmdz09 |
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I don't like this either. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcktidm8zcXoweExIVlIteC1JLWo1SjZha3hkSnZLRWFxNjl5bUx5X3ExVk1QZlBXTUNWM0c0aUtwWlZRTURLVTc3NWxDUm4xb0JER0Q3QWxjRGtjR1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzN0V2bFgyTW92NWNlY3duM0VrbGZxVnA2UlVRZUpvZnZtODFZY3dOVU9zMkV0T1Y3dkRfbkRrMWEyWXdMVkw3RlVoUy1uaWNVR3cyeDh3RnQyVFZqODlSa29CZ3l1WFFCNXZOMEwyT3M0VTVWazZEM1RrQ1FCRE1Td0NHa1JkNi1ZMkgxRUxmZVFGOGJxSEpfY3lHalA3U3JUS29KX2hHZm5heTNGNk5oSUQ5OWhEOGhzY25taHFMM0FSenBySWl0d21oOHF4cFBVSVNMR1B1UUFBMlRHQT09 |
Wait, what problems did you experience? I don't quite understand, I've never had any problems with dependencies in pacman. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSVhaMmppRWR2dFl2NGYtZVpFZ3gtcHQyV0VpN1BGYzA3Mkx5OWlKRTlQNTRLVTJiMGFiVXJob0VMVGNmMG9kcGZxV2EtUFBGSERJN2gzVHFVVGJEelE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdE5RdHNieldBYXpHNWZPVVJpRW9BUFl2S09Ibnktek9qNVh6UzJvSF9ybDFqQ1F2WDlsN2t1VFlWZjBBNWlhVnkwbkRzaHpCeGVOU012TFJLSTBEbkdqRnJjTkpMcndzUklZbXl5WW9qRHZTZm4ydWF5VFVjRDg4U21XM3lPVnUxVy1Kc1ZnTGY1aDZCWFpuWXpmZkcydTJTdFVKUElBa3plTmlNY255X01BYjFjM01PSnQ0ZVc1RTZYVWNmQmRKdzZnYWp3dU51bWs0eEljZmFSYjRmUT09 |
The problem is that apt has no way to express a "soft dependency:" ...
Recommended packages get installed by default these days. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUNFVxSUFOdk9nbERYYmNrVnJFWG5nVWRPVFpmWUFBRVZ0V0ROdjBMeTZ5Nm5vTjBQcjJOMFJ3R1R0d19xUDR3Y20wQUZUT3VkYTFmQmNZamlrTHF4MXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUEg5cTVCQTl4QWtkNFRJZEVYd1lRdEFxaEFIaW1PTWZQNHRHbVdteF9IV3kzR21oNlRaM181S0pnckxMUi1aTTV0ZEVZQndGZTNhN3BLM1Y2T1AtQ0t1enZQU0hLQ2VsWFNqT1hkU090Q1RSNkpNVGROZDIxdDNCUzFjQXdBeDI3clVCT0p5R3ZGbFlnSmtuLWg4NklMSFBnNUVWdnh1Q19KS3B3NVZvQ0FFVzdjeGRuZTRjVTBraldVMkpncTVsUG1FOUtJZmM3WWJLenZlS1ppZ09qZz09 |
That's a really stupid reason, since you can remove the metapackage. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZENiejA1SHJlR0xpc0RnS2RNVnB3RWZCdDAwb3lJQ0VQZmdwMDQ2SFNsUC1hYUdDZWNMMm9fVmlnQ296WWZlemJSVVN3LUxTZFpRN0FjUm1sQWZDeFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcmhWUlpqUmlNYlNYWXRUU0Zxck5SelJvX1dQOEYyWWhtVFJPdkdVVWFSazVrWkdydWdOVS1QMF9rUmJvS3k1VjZ5RXNBdVJSTU5mMnBxTEZ4WVFybU9FUmpnVkdzNXBjenZyWjBPZHJLS29oLTliNzNDeXNld0kySk9EeGJSNTBUUFZkeVlGZ18zS3BmMndhQXpkWUsyR0lHTExLa3lBQmZzZ3NVZ3NqVzRsQlY1aGROeGFSOTZnV1k2SjRSdVRpT044RjlqQ2NBdldpZmpNVTdVWVFydz09 |
Your a stupid reason. You can remove your own stupid metapackage too. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZFhTOWhyZzVqLWNNQVV2cUJiVGoyQUNkNEFrdHQxU1dPdllybHczcjRaWElrYzA4TmUyV0Jhb2tTcS1VYi1ZZnJWUWIyYU9Nd1E3dXl0WVkzUGhfX3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzT3FENk1nWGFZWTFYd1l4ckZNNWtFSTZhMUxIbUlKNlZySGtwUjF0QjkzTXpPREFISzRNTGFDWHpjSjZXNHd4MUMwWmhlWEpROTZjR2tTU2o5MmFUZEtBemRtejZpRWdVM3FsRnZZT2RsRHotNVpfUlhucVE5cHVEN243QnhsQnNqNjdwZE1VSy1UUVlXWXFfZk55bmJIc3N1WUh3anVjMjFOQWRJWThQNzl3c3JmZTZITVhYSU1HWDh2bjNHYmM3b1EyeWwya3Bvc0YwSWFNd3VoZF90QT09 |
Ah. As I said in another comment, I've been out of the loop. That plus orphan tracking negates most everything that made aptitude interesting.
Do you happen to know why Ubuntu's metapackages haven't moved to using recommendations? | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUemJlMzZyNXVWTGZpMkNlT1JldjV4cFRVRGloTmt4RXdkQjNtako0X3NNV284bTZvUEJCaUpaaHdCeVFCVjU5aHNYc0huY2ZvM3lhRldxN2VtZ2kyNnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbjNsMzVMbU03dFdjaEVBel9PWGxDTEpQYWp2aGFONUdRVWlUbi1QRzQzNExEMExYT3lhYmNiajBkb09iUE9nLXdDUGl2ZnBUREpET19jWjczeDNyMkNGRDhTNXp1ZTdiTnY0SmF0ZUVvU0xjWlBvbk9Icm1DWk9haVJ6aHdkWHhZV1lQOWtTSFBRVVZVenVTVmlzTXh0M254WHFCM0UxWjdnTGNzVlFPTEtCZEhPek9sUVdZTmtuZGVMcDZ0cndTSTBkdUZpOUhvWGsyQUhxeTZzVGNKdz09 |
I'm guessing that I'm one of the three people that actually likes Evolution, and even prefers it over Thunderbird. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUM3BnV01BWXlqc1pic3hWVXRrZ21McnI0Q25VLTd5V1N5T0lGdVBZM203MW16d0doX2ltVUdmQTZtT1lCU190WnJONXZaeXA5NENIeEVCQnFwa21kOGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUFc1c1pWdkE2NVBCX2ZNQ3hkWXAzcEl3bWMtLXRlc1JfQWJzQzlfamV6ZmxRaHRNUnNlc251eWl1dHZRVWlqQTQ2eXVwWjZqb0M2T0gyMWZNU2RKZjBfSl81b0xVcVVKaU1QLXBHQ0hHYi1PWTJ1dHlhalY4OEVJdXlaTC1WUGlhZTFKeC14cThZTjVOMkMwVVBkbXhyTjJkTVVxWDJMWi1NX2daOWlqOHZUN0YzQUJkRE92dGJxZk94Z3JIZmlkaWxoSFlvb1VUUzV6MGRzSVEyTlNiUT09 |
Fuck yes, and it's not just Ubuntu or Evolution. Distros require all sorts of stupid shit, like that. It's what drove me to Gentoo, but I soon tired of compiling my system into being broken.
These 5 commands are all you need 99% of the time to get what **you** want instead of the LCD some drooling distro maintainer gives you.
wget http://example.com/software.tgz
tar xvzf software.tgz
cd software
./configure --prefix=/usr/local
make && make install | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUTjJZNExkUTZ2dlF6dzVzQ1NGU0d2VFREVmFtTEg2ZFRiT1p2bzlfVzVKZUFZVjJRZ3NUR1ZMS1NoTk5GYXVTbzVWVmdEYUgyblE1LVNnVlRyakNjWXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTjBIeFNrUUVIeVVXbTNHSHA1VHhwVFJGMEJ0NjdEcFBubmpGd1ZyeXd5Nmh3QkFrdmtWYWI4TzNBdGtDZTBpalNPSzZZdTdkNEltNnBKc0d5bjhzM2dZWkg5eHRDZUc5UGJsLUsyVmEzSXUtblhZMmxKVHFUa19ENThNN3hHQ1BMRl9ldThoU1Racm1BSGZIR2hJczR4RHlWM3ZEUDNTcVloSTUwVzRkYVl2SkdhR2NQQTJ6Ty1hUzZXaHJRdDhfekJnaHU4TXY5LW1XUXBaV1V3TlNMQT09 |
cuil... | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUTHFPN1l0MV8zaGFfZjZoeFV0SVRSb2FoQzc1Wlhuc1pRSnRadGNFNXlhTWt2V2dEZTNKVktGSW43azNWLW9WQm16U3VsZnZtZF9GN01NUXJPLS1SWkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzV3hMVlJEUVRqdVdwSlhiNWVldlBZbWhvUFZtX1JrZExORkE5VUxBZG1MekNWWGd3SENCdkxlNk4tSU12QVR5TWJ4c2NVNXRCQXZwOHJhQTBEWlpCOU1kNFQ1a2dWNlZCRzJ6NHdpYWVqOGNrRWZBdEtCdVE0djBwbzFmQkQ5ajAyX2VENVhqZEU4cURQZHVtTGV2eUF4TE5lNWxVX2JaMHNydTg4Y3IzQ1pnN1FneUVjbm1CMFNZWHBYMXMxSjFrTGJkYzlGUEZYTldMcjhpbW5UdmdvQT09 |
They probably want a reliable definition of a standard desktop installation. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWlJ1MDlxc1Y3Z19xcEdudzBkaGsxQzZ6MzRfdFpRN0J5NWlzSzRISTlRV3pUWFoxN2k5czFTUFloU1ZyczQ5UE5OdVlEd1BoeFlxWE5wTWFMLWNjcFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRUppMXhVakQ1Qjc5YUNITXFUYVJMOEtZUlJZb2lrQWxEb2dPNll0anFibXk4YXNLSlRjOU1CdmNsZmI1YUJUS2pUbDdYNWxRWV9icUVmM1lZUHJEU1V5MGpxWll6c3VmTGZ6NHMzbHgwSU5DdWZBRGl4aFNBQ3ZyQnpkdVcwTlNaWEtIWk9UN01NYWd5bDN0YmxiSDdDeTVDTGlrSW5uVVAyQW1TRm83WlNSMHJEY3JNNWJhNFo2NVR4M0dDRGRha2hoblJyZzFkR3owb1RaQU9iZ2tTUT09 |
Kubuntu works *exactly* the same way. Its meta-package is just called kubuntu-desktop but they perform the same function.
Edit: Spelling | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUb3lFeEN3TjRkWnBCSldOemt6YlpQTmlGR2hmMFlWN1E2cVlTZ1J0X0RtMElRMGJoTlBGdzdWdmkxQlgxM09xdjA1ZFZCNnF0RmRRWTkteEUtb2k4UXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNllUMHhfTDJhS0d5aTlBbEtPbkRfWm9XSmh4T2t5cmxOT1FsWXVoR0NXQ1YwRWhYOWtGQzhmZThqUFdoOG5YMk1zX1hmZ0pacDVRWVFyVHFpMXp4bFU5WkF0T2twQjZVOG5xOTFtMVM1b3FMY1dfcjF3VTJVU0V2ZHQ5ZFZPSVA5aGFGbU1wQTFHNkM3ZnlONHZGRlM0aTBxNFJMcW5ObW01SjQxS25uUzhjSUlfSExoTTk5czZTRmZub1RFNVdiOUptSDRRQ0dnQmtETlNfbEN0MXZQUT09 |
Learn how "apt" works and take control of your system. I have Ubuntu servers and desktops I manage and have never ran into this problem. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWTFTbmRWeTMyQ0tqeGxWZ2xIakxjM2xHMFVYek1nZi1CYThyYktMZUhVVjQ2YURHQWlSRDQzVGNNajAzaDVfM2UzeGdPbHNTYW9GR1pRQ1RUa0JNeGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzd1FRSnJKY0YxMk1qcnRiWnNaOXJSUmZlUkQ0ZG9oemxTUDJQYXBFSGYtV2dQSkE1c2VhclUxRkJMbGdOOVAyWDJOb0JnS2RaUl9adE1CVFFVYktlUGRYQUFoZThrWWdvR29FYlhWVGNzMURQU2ZlQnVWcFh6NGJ5UTlEbk0zS3Z0Rml1YmVtcHhub1VQc3JLQmxBeW1YZG91YzE3bDdUZkZxaUx5bUNqZ3RPSklvRXROR2R2NDdPeUhQbDdBSEVQX0hTWmFyVnZlOWM1Mzd6TTV5a3BoQT09 |
The problems that the original poster had is removing a package which is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop which is only a metapackage.
In arch this would be the equivalent of first installing a group (say gnome), but then removing one of the packages installed from the group (gnome-themes). In effect the group gnome is no longer installed. I am not saying this is a problem, but neither is the case in the original post.
However if you were not aware that gnome was a group and thought it was like any other package you would have lots of problems. Which is the same issue Bbaily seems to have had. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUMjRYUVlYcnpHUElTVktrd0lCTVA0aU5vWVFFTnhCSWVmOFAtd2szTWl1UEZWb2RrRkJobEdVa0JSX1VtMWZSTnBVMGYxeEtwZl80MkNOZ0dqMlBnLVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQndYV0xXaGxrOHc0UzBMU3p1aGVuWWNpRGNDX0xLT3FZM0N0dHBrcDRVQU11TVc0QmpZUkUwY3J0QzFTWGlySjhsWnNvWVkyNkxhZDNuc3ZydFVyUERId1c3dGxlbkhnOFF0S3BDQ3o0V21fSW1vUENSZVo0VnZXZXhybF9DVXJRVGVwVDYzLXU4djcwc05GSHdKMjFsNGdTMkl2WnFUdm5lWXlhM0JTck1ibFpZWHpKT0dhelJJUFVfMEU5cWNiRmU2emNpblloVDVSeUZ3ZFFxWVdndz09 |
And that is why I use Xubuntu. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdEdhck9fdjg4cGc4Zm1ZQm8wZGMxNmVuNUV5TXZkRnZKUHVJNDJnNUs3X3hzVXJVM19uaXZyZlBXb1FESUl4dC16WHZOdHg5clRmU251MXVLaXg2c2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUDRtRzA1UzNXN0FPNkRwaEVmNzJvSE0xSDEzXzEzdzRGdHh5X2lLc3dhWTM1MDlDQjVtdkQtM1BYbmNWUG43aHc1bEhXTms5amZGUnRoRVNmMFVHdjBNVUkzM2lZcFNQdUVfZ2tuazFuLWI4Z0tpRWJ5WHVnX205eGx5X1FqRjdrRlZYTmZCQVVZUjliSnNmNGVCTE52aUZaR3FMa1dXcU1yX3hwYXJvLUhfSGFTeS1uSThwYkxhTkpJeFQ4Und1M1Z4WklBRW55RDNPMkVpcXhaUERjQT09 |
I'm guessing you don't have to connect to a Microsoft Exchange Email Exchange Server Exchange with it. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUekVnM2h0TmJuNVdCbGNFT1gzNHcwdmJ2MnA1TXlsRDFQY0tid2xJeEcwTHZ1MFRZVVZ6b2Q3d1pRVm43YTFQMVkzLWJyWkU4cktQSzJRUUtWQktrS2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcm1LQVAtamVQRFMtUlpKR192b0tUdklqMXpINzRmSVVDckNoRjdTSmN5d3ZMTm91dXRscmJmbFhid0FiemduaDZaSVIzWW9ueExNM2h2bmhCaGFxUURHMl9zdk83Z0RycU1UcVBGSjRxMTRDMFBlY2lIb2VUWjcxNWduN0ZkOWttWlpYQnd4NmhVcmNVbkdXUGhxM3lBUGNIRmFISnhEZGJTT3NCbWJ1UlVwa29SWHM3RmpmV09SYnFoSW0yNWtmZjk4VW9UZTg5OE9uOWVlZ3c2MFc4dz09 |
As much as I dislike Evolution and love Apt, you've gotta admit that the metapackages could be better named. I'm sure it's a bit alarming when the user is first notified that 'desktop' is about to be uninstalled - and in that dialog, there's no way to quickly click it to see the description, which is what is needed in that situation. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUS2hRMnF3Z2E2M0dkdjFpZUhGQlZ3TlEwWEc3eFRyN1haTDVvYlZoY3Zza2hyRUVFUENEcDZhbThoN2Q1dzRNV283di1oNmZuWE8xOGp2eEZpZVNNbVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUWVvOGpSV0tObVVRMjRjYzUySWY3M2RtdnRzdTdyMVNRcVJxbHdYaFRYbEdrZGNSZ3lKZnp0MlhNOHQ2cUliRE1UMU9TQ3NYaFZreUs3WTcydEZvNms1MlotSHlhSDNncGVDUmdSLWd4aC1GaDJaaXVLRk44X0FLNkJRVVJHRVg4bWJ4T1ZuTHNBemEzTi11UzZ4OWVDOVJiZlB0WWZSOGxFUXJ0aVBaNWxzMHN6amstTG1rQVlKYmFrZG1KZy1UeEd1ZndyWWtGbUhFQ3FsZlNsblZfZz09 |
and Palm pilot software and the entire Bluetooth and Wifi stacks and more.
It sure would be nice if these were debundled from the desktop. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZkR5RjRFS0ptdWdNQm1Qdk1vZy14ZmhwMEVpSzF3UjFtNE9Bb1pmMWxJWWFYWEpnc25zNXFjSmRuYzB0ajFHQmdabXdvVDZQZnB4T3JrS0JDeUlXR3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzYTZzQTkzYXEyNml5ZENzLVVfZDZLN1NZVzgyaG5TcUlycC16Wk9UWUVpMFNINUx6U0JjTGJFOG9ONzZJb1RyNktJZU9PMk05elNRNHBYaTktS18wcDQ5UnJqamtsMVZoM1VhYzI0UjR6dXRHMlA2WUNDdzNXYWlwTmF2QjBENDZCdGxzbW1wOWZhazFCVU04RDl6LXd5TEhDam9mUUZ3ZWI2WjRaWmg5QUdnaVdmOEE5ZVFFQmY2dmZib0pURlo1TERFbmZ1WEJJWWk1S2dXSllpeVFvQT09 |
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I don't enjoy tinkering. That's why I chose Arch. I set it up once and I don't need to hose it every six months by altering the repos and doing a dist-upgrade.
But thanks also to Ubuntu for LTS support on the desktop edition (finally). Now I can set it up for family and, again, not touch it for several years. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUTHZSUmFBQ0lZOEtFMEpzQVlCZUM4YVZ6ZjhUWFBxQlpIRVE1bUFkdlgyQjBXLUVfQjlvNURWcHlZUm92Z2JPRjRYRnhQN2Nield3MG4tTVN2bEFIZnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcTdjVWJ1MTBLd1BZc1VfQjUxV2FBSEozUXlFbkZyR1Q4dk5VWUZKYXRXcHhSWnp2d1RtcDlDdWxLNXZwcWhMdWc5TElnN3BWcXJMdDBwTkNiU0FyT2RwcGdJeU5DTlhGQi1XajdwaWZGamp1SUc1M1FaUVVfUFR1dUVVOEdZRlpGOXNGQnZac09KMHJzV0JzLW1pZDBhOWZoejBIRGZ3RXY1eHZRcVRJYTdRVEpGaHVRS2Vyczg5QWl4Y3FaajctVGF4YkRwdDNReHFNWTQxejhVZzZBdz09 |
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And that is why I use Penisbuntu. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQ3ZKVG8xTmxnbGZxVTJmNDc1TThUWHZPOVJIRGdZNUI3WllhMVgxVjQwMlo2RGl4U09jSWF4anRIOVlOOHFLZnBKQ1VPNXpPMjNCSWxMRHphMzZybmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNVIzSGswNkVnckxQZjZqNUxVQkdRTEtma1piZGhFeURsalNLRmNIU1Z5RGhFOEZjUEM3REpVTk5GbHZEeG96c0FCUk01VDFyYlpFUk11OFFLVUZYbDF6dUNLNF9UT1pHaS0xNmxpaF9Rc2dJVnJYdHZrb2xpYWdBTG9UOTBOZzQ0RlBrc0xIMk15eHdHa3RzN0JIYmV3MmNIVWZObll4OWpuNWRrUkVhdEFOb1I2LXd6N01NajA0TnJFU1d4WkpQMU1rQ2tvaFcwMkRCbUlNakJPbjQwUT09 |
Good point and well made, my other half found it alarming when she tried to install kipi-plugins when she was using kde 4.1 from the Debian repo's that it listed kd4e to be un-installed, I guess the solution would be for more prominent explanations of what a metapackage is when installing/removing them. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUTHRmYU9aczZiNkZVQ1lObTExWFJYZS1LMW9VZXFTNEJqaE8wX3VRS3k4XzJERVZvRXE5NzM2a3lYZnJQd1dFSEZVb0pjLWtRa3ZyRVlWcTJQd2Y4MkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzU2otWEJnTFAwT01pcmhtUFRVXzEzU3Y3UjNBRjdhc3YzY2E1eGVocnZoUUpvWUxkT0F2b3M2RUxnXzNGVFJ1M010VkhxTkNjWEo5d3k2WHRLMGlhYTdvUXkyMXFfeFNnNXhGRmdtWDlfVlFidzBERU5YZTR5dzRWV05FX0NxUFh4enNONnhGeEdWY0RCTENCczFfTmsycXp5RTg1aDdMMU9rem13QVU1dlRRbzRGa3BBeVFzX2FDd0Q2bVgwNDlzUUFpdElZamVCZjJKNm5lYS1LcnVMUT09 |
Most people are probably saying it's not a problem because what you're saying is wrong. I just uninstalled ubuntu-desktop and updated my package list. Nothing new is showing up as auto-removable. I'm not sure where you are seeing the issue you describe, are you sure you're the one using an older version?
Edit: A couple compiz packages came up auto-removable.
More edits: Some packages in ubuntu-desktop are soft-depends. wvdial for instance gets installed with ubuntu-desktop but can be removed without removing ubuntu-desktop. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUd3kxMjBjSzQwckJXQWF3NlRGbHc3akdPOHZRMFl6aEoyQ0ZrMC1MNUtVd29iOFNneW4xX0NKM0F2M0hjUTZhd2EtSVBMWUdnNGtLLXc0aWIweGlvSEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzX2FCQ0plUUZZOWhmaFdJcDZ5VE9UY0NhZnFoOE82LW5YSzIwbk9wM182Nm0zSXZZY2lDQVhFay1TQy10UzZoazN3MV9BbWNyVl93Ym1zV2JrUWlSM1BiNUZWeUlrNUlwdlY4SlRHYWNaNzhLMWFtLVZYNUd1TzBITkFzcU0zcUNHNjdOdmxhRjAxazBuNTBBeDdLZEJzMWpUSUpoNEhFaWM3LWNsUnc4UDQ1XzAzTU9aSEFSLTAxd2FJUUNxNmRfWi1qc3UwSDFvVzhuN0ROWWhzMWstZz09 |
I don't know of any linux user who tortures themselves with microsoft's crap server software, so evolution works just fine for me :/
Though PIM suites are stupid, GNOME needs to split evolution up into multiple apps and integrate the address book with telepathy. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUeG5pMjNXSURWbWw0S2FiRHliUzBXX3Fac0R2dTR6TktsNHBXRy1taFJhckdNNk5WUUVOemR1QWdaZHhyRzZDajMxd1hpYlJHeUp0R0ZPWk5UaG5FOFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUza1F6YVFNU0lnN3dzbkRqaGdZRVlLVkFTVFpNZWgzMHVEUUdTbG9hSHJ4MVJUWjRodUxZd0JLYUZwZWRtTktGby1Gd0JRZjVDRk5JRXJ1X09ZTGtoS2lnQmFVa21WQmdhTUFJb0ozMFR4UjBzQUwtRUJwbHVBcHdZZ1VXaDNfQlhOMG5TRWduZHVlVTNSQU1odUM2cE9BMWxNYXBFYTBjeG1WRFVrYXhEb29GRXlNb1QtZ2tHRWJTbm5KVHhTYWFmTzhBNnRuYkhUeUs3ZU5VMHF1VHRZQT09 |
Because evolution* removes evolution-data-server, a core component of the GNOME development stack. Get rid of the client if you want, but using wildcards like that are likely going to cause you pain. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUa3J4Tk1BbHlMX3pwXzlWRVVrMDNCenFlZWhTV0RHX1p5bWdCNHY2ODlpZFNUNWpabmxfTDVLRjhGUlZxa0tvRi0zaXhPeTh1LWZ4bVpvSF9aU2ZSSWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMElWc2J0Snp0M1RkQ2tBWmYyOXQ3MHlXbVo4cURlWmd2YTdPNmZCNTVnWkNmMHJkQUlCNTY0NWNOOVRsZUljVGZTYktneHBJczFaeDFFTlNVT3psRWl1NlN2a01zYjVHc2U1XzU0Q0Y2eWlNM3JvYVRobklCUHhtcnhtLUxQUkRISWFZT3JjLXF1SkJHZGpudGtYeWRLdG9xU2tWX1R0aEtUMUduclo5QlVxMUJqQi01OXk2Y0trUWktOTVxazVvbzk0eXI2dlpESUhzdGdsbXplMWpsZz09 |
You are not forced to USE Evolution in Ubuntu. It is a part of the ubuntu-desktop metapackage and if you remove evolution it will remove that metapackage. But removing the ubuntu-desktop metapackage will not break your system, and it will not remove GNOME. What's wrong with using Gnome's menu editor to hide evolution, install whatever mail app you want and setting it default? Quit feeding Redditors with false information, it's annoying. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUOUlPN0s0dEVyTHplSElWSjdIV1EwdXNwRElRYm9iWTd0QTV3VjhFOWxWeGhUSFAtdWlESzQzMUZrVllUbERJYm1LcmwwSEMyVi1pemM4Z19ib2NzM2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzM2RqSVZIWnc1WldmVFVYbzlSQzdTeEdMMW5VeGQ1SHc4NHpqaThnMkZiTG5hN2c0UGxZYTN0UDZjVm00Y0dicUdQSVZFQWpoU1pFQTNaUm4tRTVielJ6cXgxbF92MmRmUDZKdVF5a2tEazhsaEtNa05HR1ctSHNhOUIzWlFId1REOWRhQ3FLTGQwMVRjN3RiREJORFhpU3RlRUtFWFpPbFlGWU44d0tycmNaYkR5Tzc3b2twQVBIYXBhWmtnOTRXZmxQN0J6N2xOdGpRSFhISXlLRjFtUT09 |
Penisbuntu works exactly the same way. Its meta-package is just called misandry-desktop but they perform the same functon.
And has the same broken spellcheck. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUR0hEWjJxZWhoX19PbnBld0lUVDlyS1JBQV9ldngteDNnRUJQQTNfVEt3S1gzUjhsMTZhN3dNYUdyeHREUk45Z1JnUDNBX0NUc2RwNUlBSExlajExR2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzV1Z5S1Y3RkZCX2xtT25XYUV1UnJsSUFmdnlmY1JaMUp0c0IyQzdhWkJJcExRVkFwVC0xbHNXR1hxS0hzNzhzaExHcWNnWE91cnVSOHRiNnBwcGVEVmFYV1RuX3VDaDM5VktLSDAxNFo2WHcxZzdZRHpzVGhwS09Ucm5FVXp3VVYxWlVJWEJ4aUNvLUVwSnpaaWJRNl94N0JfeGJraTVZOGZNVkZRbEdvMWRUaHBaUXFJQTNrYzFLaEQ0UFRORTFaV3p0QklvZVhxMVRvb19RWGI4QWhNUT09 |
I find them very very frightening. ME! | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUOU9OU0FFTXRrbDhuNENfTlE4S0pwLVFrR09wOVB5NTlxVVNDY3hfOUVUbnBaYmdqVWRaU0NyMVRnXzdnSGpMQml2ZmhmcHlTMV9hVjM0VFQtYV9hYkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQWVPeXppMjRSOUlySnl3QVBkczRnSW1BV2x2M09DV1RtbjJXTXJpNEowbnZBWlNDb3ZuSDJLMTdFZDJyMEZETml1QlB6ZmlpcW9fQlVsdHBYMUdIUGhKdjlsaTNMZjBMMFBOcm1JVEZ2MUJ5YnZTd0ZMRHhqbHZLNUdaeFAzTS05WTNHNlJPOXBTVjQ2dklaamNlX2dyTlFSTk1QX0hJalZHV2ZpRzUwTEg4RFJXb1hyYUZaei1ZaVlERllqSXF5dU1VekQwaklNUFFEeXZYSVdKcTN4dz09 |
Mandriva sounds like a transvestite's stage name. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWTdxN1RLRVVUYnFIalVYM1hJSzNjZlNHakJibmZzS0xGbDFObGp5QXNBem5sTjBReGF2RXZsOXFKdEpDb1Jrd01BTS1JRi1HaTk3YXdtSWR3M3hfX3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdk5LSUwwaTJaVHNjSHlVRW0yaV9Ob0dKLVkzOVhwT1Ayc2dUY1VqaXJmXzY4cXlMNG5acWw3VWxOejVaSXFpMEVoMTNJcE1kdzRKV3pFSFhCOVprYm9Sc2g1dmwwRDdBRGN2V05QRXlEbnY1OXZZOHlxSlVGYWNvSHg2NkdHMmlrb3dtcHpQa3l6QUljUDRQUU90ZjFia1VWbFhEZVRkUk5Sa3VzbXNYNVJtRGM4MXdLUjdJRkVTQm80UThMU2NoZVRLVkxRMHJYbjg3c1cwZ2R6LVkydz09 |
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We all learn it the hard way, I've done some equally silly things :) | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcnNITTJ3cmpTS01sRXJlWFl3TmxxU19KY3lMdjZDWFJyWlBWVndXZFAwcEE3aWN2bUlZSmlwQlFscGE3TExUbEQybkNETkNCWGRtcUZBanZUZmJlQ2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzaFF4OXpEbC1vcGdPNzBLaHQ5dFd3NTVwVGZORkZzekhWdk5tV0IwdERONzcyOUh6QV9fMjVfbjg2UE9tTEhiVW92OEt3OWNmdmtQbTRkYzE4bkM2M3pGRWRNRGtVbWd1dTZWY2FINk1nWVhQX19lVTFPcWJjakRhcnFVU2JUdW02VlVpSnlzVUpheWU1ZFhQdWdrU0Fzd2JoODNCUEVTdW5nMmlhRFR4ZnJpX2tYVHlVWF9KLXlNTVUwem5qbXlaR0lXTUhyYjZBNlptZzhqUGV4cjU4dz09 |
And that is why I use Arch Linux. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdmYyYTVfeW5IMVNoNFRRaEpld0ljUWN4Z1lBZGpwSnloT0JSV2lMSU5PRDdKTTdBWk5GRHMzUVpBZ01WRFZWbDhXNjd2VHlNbFl1aFB5VTRNZVJ4aGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzajlrc09ldkxVXzcwUHZTdFNTNEZOdC1nZWRQN0NVM2NGUHF6bE5CTXZUZEs5TGRndk1mNGhQNm5ieml0SUphVkEwNmt5dmd3S2FtLUh5bThxV21ENml4NkFfR0o3ekMtY2hxY19FNDdLN21XTEl0U1FncU1ndkJZTW1FWTVad05YX1JEc0VyVzl3OVBxZno4MEo1U1ZoWFNfZ2t0Z1FYQ3RiaFNmdXJ5NGk0SHJMY1FwNEI2TUlhenJjZTVTdE9FWElqdlFzUWVlMDVIWm82Q1BFaWxDQT09 |
Archpenis works exactly the same way. Its meta-package is just called archpenis-desktop but they perform the same functon. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVURjkzQlRMM29saHJqeVFqMHhoOTR6T2IyVUhrZG1PdXhMVUdQejcybjdLSEtMaVJ1dXRxaXVDQmZ2bnVGZ3lQdlBDMm5RSm80YlFsd1NubllhY3lnTGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzU1VQajhELWVUMGxfLXhscUFxLXNPeEVUM3Nrb0VVVER0YkxxLWE0N1JjNGtRa3RjUUFpTFdDZ19WZHRrN01LRTltTnFEaENzQ3o2SVlwYUJJdmt1QzR5QnBqUG5DdHVINVFIOWpXX1hWbEd3OFZ1a2ZxSWZ4RzdMa016UUF3Z2RncmdETm14dzE1cUNVb2ZaRVVQZkZFa2VuekxlaU5pSks0aTNxaWFNbkJRRmVQTURYbl9ZdE8xRmM2VWRYSnZlcVpmWjBpR1d6NXFMVXc5TUxHSVBpdz09 |
I was running Debian and Arch on the same laptop. while I was digging pacman and ABS, Debian is simply waaaay easier to setup and maintain. in the 4-5months I had Arch installed, I could never get it to quite the same level as my Debian desktop... and Arch imploded and I didnt feel like fixing it.
in the 2 years I've used Debian, I've only had a few minor hiccups with _anything_, including wonky stuff like upgrading from backports, using a third-party repo and then switching to the official package when it hit unstable and constantly running testing/unstable.
I seriously fail to see how Arch isnt a tinkerer's Linux. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUci0waVBVeWJRdlFLbWctWm1TUkRuUHlicEo5RF9NVUN3TXFiWnpwSHVlN2hTcWdrMUQ1VWxXWDdIWmhvTlVxS0pGa1ZpalVVX0tLWlFjVjZrb192VWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQnpJNFU3WE5YczY2OXIxS2JsY1AxZG52YTVjWXNFZ3JYVF9aSzZfSjJnRzJqb01pcktVWHJiZ3FoVWlNX3dPRTVDZmMxR29tQ2xPaXQ4bFF4Wm9vMzJtdUlNT21HWjNZN2xwd2dPUXd1VGRSRkZfYnJzallIdGgxUFl5Ykl2UWx6U3hXbzRUUDFyNlR2SEN2b0l6WDdPSUdwS1NqdFMzXzgyQzVyZkpNQkFVYy1JMXUwUFp3aVF6SEFuMWU0cHA5Umd0NENqVUtXRk5DZkpKVW1QQ1g1dz09 |
The problem with this is not evolution and removal. The problem here is that apt does not have the ability to have true groups. In the place of true groups (which any good package manager should have), people use hackish meta-packages. In these meta-packages, they take a fake package, load it down with dependencies it does not actually have so that it sort of mimics what a real group would be like. This is obviously problematic insofar as it completely fucks up the dependency tree which creates a whole array of problems.
In sum, use pacman if you want binary package management. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUb21JWm9fRUlSazRxSHBodGgwUjJyakZnYkJfdDZINTJ2ZHhaMlpjYlplbmN0UG80b1JySkVNOHowT0hXd3hXcUtLU210ME5HZFRaZWV5UVc0Tldtdmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzaDZkRUNONHFTOHR2LWJXLWYzNDExSm9rcVdaRjUtSDZQRXJKYnpyYWczRWY5RmRIWkxhZWJDZm1vcWxOdzlOcFpzSG9NY0Q2Vl9MMko2TnVjZFRkV0tCNmYtakZEWG5fWHdqZS1WWFFMMVhTT3dlNGEtdlVUR2tUNXQwSnVVV3podjBNbzFTUl84SkJYSnBaT0s3NnRiWVd4LVFyN0h2WTUzTkIwN2Q3d0RBbTVVSjhJU09CM1l5ay1IYkVsSTl3YXY1TWRmR1gzMk82NHZpNVZYdWJmdz09 |
Use a better tool like pacman. You know, one that has real groups and doesn't suck and force you to make hackish meta-packages. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdmdJZU1ycEZHR1VaMndLUzczQUVsWFotYl8zOFZ4Q09KWGlMMXN6OWo1cy1qTVN2WEE2TG5xQ25OYkRXZkJuY05rWUl5N3BqT2ZpMlpWN093dzZ1YWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQVpudUllSk9KdVFYTWx6ZG1oUlBGWFphM0NpeXdteTMwaEtRbUpmTkJMeFRRci1XdlBGa3NGUm9xVkdoOWtsWkV0bDFHVURCQkdKMmh2N1pydGJQR2w1bVpkN1FucVluZE1hajRzTlJZU0VxQldjNWxub0drdnk3RERsTDFSYkVzVWdGU2hLZVh1Q09ickhIMkFWVUNzamN1Tk5SLXlpV2xmMC1GVlVZVC1OMnd6TWJlWkxWOUZBSldoUjNNZktCS19scThxNTVPM3k2S3kwdG9VektYZz09 |
Once things are installed, they'll get upgraded. You can remove the meta-packages that you used to install them without a problem. Essentially, those metapackages are there so that you can type or program "ubuntu-desktop" in place of the 800+ packages that ubuntu-desktop depends upon.
Essentially, the ubuntu-desktop package (and in fact all meta-packages like build-essential, ubuntu-base, gstreamer-codecs, and whatnot) is using the dependency resolution system of APT to install a lot of packages at once. Removing the meta-package doesn't remove any of its dependencies, which are the packages you actually care about.
Essentially, you're thinking that APT works like portage, which isn't the case. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUd2NISExoOHJUT2hxSWF3NVVsNGlLdGpTcXNzOUhHeVp0VEtMVWhVdDNaTU81c051OHE0WUFYUFJHZHg5TGFWVGtIWDlaNGlBZXhJbzNQZ1loUDd4Smc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzR0tRZlByTUFkSmxUQk91MXlMa1ZESVpTdnpFNzhnLXNmUFREa2xRdUpWZmJPRXFPa3dZUHRyWmtCS2haeVlGNVNVSVRFVHdvSmUtcXRjR0h5YTFnNnlmSGVGWGlqb1Jib0g0ZWJRZDhpS3VnYThBaUd1aXBJaVNmRmpRdnBfMWhWWXRQMXhrdmxxWkUtdmU5Ujl4OFYwaGxRR2JLUHR3MTMzRnRwY1laS2hIZ0s0QV9nTjgxa21oODFQR2xIZjhwTUhoWGRQTFhvdUwzNHloRmRWUDdLUT09 |
True, except the problems with uninstalling a package group aren't the same as with uninstalling a metapackage. Nothing gets auto-flagged for removal (as with apt) and your child packages still get upgraded with `pacman -Syu`. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUM3hkTHdOcHlWWjdVd1VhQlgwRTNZT1hTY1RtajMxMEtETWdHdUJSblU4X0FUZFd2QnBHb0JyWDZSd1I2VkkzY3VCSlA0eTRwVTVaYWFKUlY3NmtMNXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZVQtYUYxbENaVVlrWjY1dnNyUm5iWDdWZnQyQ0doQ01EcV9HUjJFMFdnWVc1VkFweGpsejlQOGhsaXBOa1pubzJ2blh0VnBLZElaMXdPUTZSeDdMZ3c3V1F6c09hczVWeXUtVDhnTFFvNE5qTUYtVGQtTDhBU0UzUVR6a1dnOFkwNW04a0JHMzlvVEd2ZUh0bFpZOXJoMDQxMGJyeks0MXpBQU4zWDVLUmxHRHBuZHQzakxIaXFnVEZHUmdXdDVaNHpkZEIwRGR1TWxYanJCNV9DS2RZZz09 |
libpng libraries: not found. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcHlGTHFON1JmRXExenA1eUhCWUlhdmJPd3dDT3VUN0VpbGl1dFdFTVFacHd5UnY4Y0NNWjJZT05OVk4zQTdVVjdPX0NMSS1NaXUtZWtxUEhqNDZFQVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbzVwZzBNWVplVzd3VlVmSWF0M3ZQckNDdExJMmxrZW9ZWFlVMDFrQmR6ZjVTY0haUnRFd2huY0hYWDl3eE9rRFJTMW5mdUlRdFFLUi1Za3BBZVM3RVVST3FLNW1QZkgxLW5ZdWxwc29WS2h5ZE5UWGZMVFBnM21LOV82UnpUb2V0SVdHcWZQdjZTZnlDLWtLdUVYMW5STW4xc3F0bk1fd2Y0Szc2ZThBdktzQkpqdTJWQXNpdDFKa3YyZXp4bGpFX0ZLVExWcVlFdHVmeEw4Wm1Wd3dJZz09 |
They have. I have evolution removed from my Jaunty desktop and I still have ubuntu-desktop installed. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVURUtyakIwWU0wXzRES1c3N3R0UVIwbW14V1hHV1ZDejJfQVZxLWo5NVFMTW82T05Qblg4d2FYSDM4S3N0ODNFMU9rMndKTzhXNnBpeUh5clhlM2plV2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzXzlqY2Y3cGlfZTdOYjhqTFRQNTRzVC1xemh6aTNRNi1pM2lGeDJwdFhiVGJUTlN4REtmZ1U5cENBN2tzYkNDQUhfX3hDS2UwVlNlUWdmQWt5NTk4eVhBYXZWc3B6VXk2ZE1nR0lhWFdkeVFkeFhjU281NnZaMHlmOWsySmF4d3EtUVBIaDNoa0wxdlZSYTBCVnE3dHI4aU5zbWlWR01vRVpzLUxQODMxRnJURUVHaWFYMjNKa0dFejREbThvVngzM011STVEcGhDNk5YZzdIalJFV0tuUT09 |
what exactly happens when you remove ubuntu-desktop metapackage? | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUeUZKaWsxcmxybml2Rm0xeE1hTnRKekhFTF9lM3ZsdWRBZnBhcU1oQVh2bmc1LVl4dzZZcUo0TVlfN283UmJtTi1fdEtRbVlWQlVpTVlidU96QmtvbXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWll2RHcyMV9SSTdGeUF6T002ZUpGWnB2anJpSUJ0aUJmVXlyYUxLbHZ3cnVoT0VuRndYVWNvRnBSZDhyMEpKbGJ3Zkk1bkdUZktZY3ZRZ1Y2eHdEazBybW80TVdnVXFVN2FZaHY0Uy11bzFUSEt2czFvcHlxcWgwOGUyOUQ0bWk2NExVWEhZLUltTUxQbXJHZmxvR2VRVks1UG02NkowcGZrUlFYOWMtR2FVTlN5U0hmOVlyczQ0UVJkc2ZXOEhSZzJ5VmltLU9oY2xmLVpaYUhLZzVzQT09 |
> I don't know of any linux user who tortures themselves with microsoft's crap server software, so evolution works just fine for me :/
Not everyone has a choice. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQmtqTTFMRXFHQkREeEw1aVFoem9CWEg0VURuT0RTRFBiSHZ0LWlaTkl4NU84S1lzRV96TGFFLWdPamFmNFhnWk1ieXozb3h4UWlETXBYYnhXTXplQkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNGVBSGQ0LVFudFYwVHlQVUZ3OFRXMlBPSnNhRlp5bWphdkdibFZvdk9oeG52QjJFdGJjTTZySzl5NndGZnAyRE1NaURTY2RhSnhZMnhLUGlIVEZoUHpGWTBOcW82SC0zT0xhVlllbGZiTC1xX2NGbEVHWmtjNXBxRDhtclpMQnlob0RtYWl5U2dKbnRVaUZsY0tZMDZBdWtQaGZLZVItSVljX3FWNHJQdnE2THZzQWFvdnBXd0xRTk5QWk9BU2h6MU8tMzJNSG9MMVRsSlU3R2ctSG90UT09 |
Here's the deal. I was looking at it from my teenagers point of view. Her, after using windows from birth, switched to something she wasn't familiar with. I showed her the basics and let her read up on things so she could use what she wanted to and remove what she felt she didn't need due to lack of space on her system.
It's not a huge deal - life will go on. But from what happened next - thats when things got pissy. She removed evolution and GNOME also was removed. We had to reinstall things which was a good learning experience however very unnecessary and aggravating. Everyone has recovered perfectly :) | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUY3R3cHA2ZjU1NThvYldHaExreE9BV29pRFB4dURRajN0MnRPcWlFazN1aTd6VUkwRUZnbldETk0xSlg3SE0yQUJzTXkyWnpmTVFlSG1OaUk0MEtyREE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbVcyVTh2Vl8zMmF6OTltNjdxZFp1ckFHdV96Y19MU2M3RjFIazVsNUNhZElpZnlYczNuRWxyZzNsMkZBSUkyU05IUm1pWEF5cy1TeFA0ek0tZEhxaHBzdnVPcF9LbEtBb2tYd2VHN1N6c3JYdk9ubUlZZzBPSjI2MlN3NGpkRXQySVZtV2lMZFNlYWc3YnJCQW5COWxIQ19qa1VqZEZhZUVTajFCazZMU0V3OFlQTHFFNjNkUXlPdVVhT0hPdExndEVsRW5LQmxWd0c4eHN2aEJZYXZNUT09 |
Ok lets try again. I was looking at it from my teenagers point of view. After using windows from birth, switched to something she wasn't familiar with. I showed her the basics and let her read up on things so she could use what she wanted to and remove what she felt she didn't need due to lack of space on her system. It's not a huge deal - life will go on. But from what happened next things changed - thats when things got pissy. She removed evolution and GNOME also was removed. I just like the rest of the users here (looking over her shoulder) could not explain why GNOME was removed just by uninstalling Evolution, but it did just that.
After doing some belated due diligence and reading a good deal of things about this happening to others on-line, I guess it's ok to say with vvlists permission :) that yes it can and (who knows why) remove GNOME.
We had to reinstall things which was a good learning experience however very unnecessary and aggravating. Everyone has recovered perfectly :)
And it wasn't meant to mislead anyone just share an Ubuntu moment.
Though it's true Ubuntu doesn't "Force" you to install evolution it does indeed install it by default. Someone with experience will in part agree with you someone that is "new" to Linux will have a different experience -- completely annoying.
You know what I mean?
| r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUX0JKRXBub0lXcGJrMFY2N3cxbnNoX1ZLbUwzcXJCT1lkYU5RY3ZDeGxlQUZCbGVabGt0YmNfZnZheVE4b2ItSF9oUHRBQjFBVGdtekMtZDJjX3d6VGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUlhHV2NpckNocHhxR21GZGdZOTJrQXpvMm5aYUxIVURORGI4cllyRi1qYnlZMzZGRWZzRzNPQVNhSDhFcXNUc1lURzU3dEhSNWdaQmtaY2RtQm8wSDZib2VybDVJdEpuOWpNNDNfRjROLXZkaTRrZGNOOGtfeEtGNEV6NmRjRUVuLU1CeThSTVYxVERNeW40Vmo2R2lHblJSTVBSc3hYYmhHY2dXTEhZVUc3RGl0WlduLWJtOXpJSHdjcU1EUmt2STBaQXZsREstUUNPWnpSOU96aEhzZz09 |
We installed Feisty Fawn 7.04. We used the package manager to uninstall Evolution, she (my daughter) turned off her system left and when she came back to use it, GNOME was gone. Really nothing more then that. Marked for removal was the choice. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUaFlfMGYtbUJVMjdJQ1RySnZ4MTJaNnpuY3VrTDNRemM3WkVUVlFfYVpmSmoyLVRwc3NNZC1DeHEtSjVzU3JEd3YyMU1YRWNvaWtkMHZyS2w1OS1ZV3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSWc1bC1RLWVJZmVkRF9JdjZUU3hkNkQtYTloR2dycG9jNHRmQzFUV1VNcTh5Q01RWDJIS0J2OWV2TUcwNXJBZWxfTmlqRzQ1N0dZWmpqMXpCa0w1X1BZUEFUZDNLYUc0YUIza282MFNJcHd3ek5QWl85QnYyZnlmbGEzWHFHbXdnZGdsaXRfLXB4TGliOXZ6Nmw0MlkzdkdwTW9aanJWTWZlb2ZtYVNMZEU5SW1UaVdVVTl0WlluU2dYc1Mzbjdtbkg2bFNhbHVpOVVUZ3Z1M1FBVmtDUT09 |
I haven't had much problem yet but we haven't had it running very long. What sort of issues did you have? | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWHBEd2hvcGh4aG9XSjhvbzlLTFp5dnBDalJISm92U3h6aU5qUzZpQ3U5N0lKd0psVmo3TlFLUW9tcnRwLU9xMXZRaTdiUlJSalNMSWRteXRJWVMwOFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbW5DOEtkeHdYYWtVMVViNmZQZ3RQMDZZdVRzUjFsMHZELWlxWnlEOUpTdE5BTVloQ3JyRkEySjc0ZmhwaGFNRnNHSXllYlN5dXdJNzNtUXktN2toYVJZUlBpVWlmOHVIWDRPVXRRX2p6OXh6OUdjTEplVW9IOHZKdVFVTDhSUEl3VmN1RzlfZDdFVFBna1VXN09FLTB4V1JKYWI1dkdBQ2RKeFozeDJXOUdJbFJ2Vk1MOUVCZndiNHFhQjJIZzk2Tk9WUFFxamg1RDdZRl9aVWs4UTR3dz09 |
I love you guys :) | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUMWpRSVBabXZEZDlzdWNva3p2U0s5NlFIQWNMVjB0ZGpLV1J6cG1GRHpjVWJBM053NjBSZWpvLXlEb05BLWthdjRIVVFuZzhYdFV3ZTNrVEdhVWltNGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbjNPb01KaS1DY0hPMGFTdHpjYW9TZm9GeF8ycm5aU3loQUZnc3J2YnphN1pfQ2FSenFqZkV3empzVnhkallKTVpvWjBvUU5CTmlIX3VfU1Z2VTVNSTBiVHVsN3FGVXJLV1gxUFk4aHpvbzJtU3VGTFI3QnprWG51MkZfLS01ZUMyOWdQVE9HaVBEMW5KNkZZbWpQWTZLcHlOZUlqSDhjeVVxNndGeW51eHR3OUh0ejl0YnIzUmpLVW0weWQxQTRiWDdMaU9uUnd0MWowRENTbk1DV1BKUT09 |
Snuxoll, Are you saying that if you remove the data server it can cause issues? That is what we did. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSkpqcEJ6Yk5lYlJIVlF4aGtuVmlCbG1OMlBMWjNYUmJFRkhPQ253eURtc2NGOC05c3hXTFp5WHRhVl9RcUpmTWtSNF9lUDhMbXFVNFYtOEQ0cmNTRGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWmVrYmlGZ0FpVXR3alVvb0ZFV2MwNWhRY2ZFTWtiSVdnUHJEWThWekVGTzk3WVc5X0RKVGlfYU00TXZId1JnOE9LTEFhbmF5Z3pnUHd5QXJidFp6aC01ajNXM3dncnI5VGt6NnlrdG1MX2FVNmdOQzliZGhfOS0wVnVaWWZPNGRTeDk0aHc5dTJkUUZEU0gxTXZNeEg5M09iYVExXzZYVEw0SFlCSmFLc3NyZ1RHWWtBTGNDVjVWMHpWSTJFTVNDRDN0Y1pYelFVRHZ3eWl5ZzUzV0d5QT09 |
I don't know why people down voted you. At times redditors seem very arrogant. I guess in an odd way it's funny. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUU0htd2ViTjN5MUtkVTNBTjBpdWFfeTdRM0dsZEtQWVU3ODBxTTg3QmFYWWxnOWJ0aDl1VzZzWTIzdnBFYTdVemU2UjktcFpSaEdOMzM3bHZxRlRoMkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUDVsR3cwdUZyWG1nMFE1b1o4R1BJMzRLWUpiSmtJTVRNejFVZElWSHV6RjFXSkdveGNuZHYzeGJuLWVWeFZad2w3VElETmFQcDMzbVJvX09ydXFjRVl2bWFYYzlRT3FHVjVYcHdPTFBIQmJKYVhmc0RHVGgzaGo1WGNzck1lOXlqdUswQVdrbzhBckRTWlo0OGhqbWE2dU5FclI2TGo2d0pDbnlEcUFKeDFFM3dxTjBYd2NnMXhrV1ZaUUxIQ0dIMUNiWWliZVpsTnU4V1lUNkZfWTlwdz09 |
Suppose the developers wanted to add some more GUI administrative tools to the desktop for the next version of Ubuntu. They may do this by adding those tools as dependencies of the metapackage. When you upgrade, Synaptic will notice the new dependencies in the metapackage and install them. If you don't have the metapackage installed, it won't install these new packages automatically, unless they're the dependencies of some other packages/metapackages. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUV0FDOWQtZG04ZHpyVEt5Y2VzZ2NjNWpDVUY0eFNTTGZXZ2QxUldlVWZKMXBNWTdPcDNaOVBYakF3WW5HYWRHNm5pUTU3UGtRZ21GeDR6RDhuVk9zV1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzR05XSjdOQ0ZCNV85dlFDQXJuNGxMMHZRMmhDZXUxZl84WEp6c21EeDkzWGR6cmM2ZU5KVnI4QTFvb1pzZThKQTF6QU80OUNzS1NMbDY0S3JLN3ZELWg1SHRZMTJLOG5FdzF0XzdZVHZjREcwcC03Ni1xZHE4dU9wNElhYUdmNnhNMHdMVEZQbFo3VkFma0ZGNGpHMW9FT1pzdmhYMVladmtnWHRUMW00djAxM1NvQXB0UmlHS094QzZUZEpUS09rTmlFZk9LTXcwZUxST056bng4UXUwUT09 |
Linux is now ready for regular computer usersl | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVULTZ0REpnRkY0ajZNUVJZcW1KRkY5M3piUGtJdEdYb0lzblZtMFVBRTNMby1iX3pVcFo1b19vcmVxbE1PRk9nRFVWYlJvQXlzY1Nib09MWHl6a3VXVlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzeUgzTmc2ZFMxX2c4Y2JDamdwY2N6ZVBMVnBXb1prdWRLcGRpWEJRNGRUTGNTa2pfVjAtWWVBN1hlcko5N2c2eDhEZ3J2elkzRFRYN0M2REJVM0x6eE5TcjdXQnJDSFhYb010MmJxcmZhS3d4NnBrMGh5TXlJcjNXR1k1SmVuV2l2ckEydEcybTJwR0ZpUXhYLUhoQWo3cFgzblF1QlJnVTNJcWp5anB5RlUtREdfbW1KM2VXckRTTEtDS2F5N1h6VVJEdnhTYkhZNV9WWWtZSE15RXFSQT09 |
I disagree. It's very nice to start the live CD and have things just work. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUM3pRZ3RhSUVVX0U3VWJONkQ5RUlWc0lyR3U2QmdUb3ZGdmstazFGQ3hKZVhkVzE5R1Zxa0VseGhLbFNMb2FUWG9QUWF1N0trWHpPZ1o3M2pnNWVEa3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzXzhIMUdsOTRSNzEzTjkzRDhseTk3bHhBOUNlMXRHa1M2dGloRWVyM0RpakhaZFdIZ28xNzNPVW16Zm5lOU5xc21JeDJETUpSWXJ4OFlrLVhmaEIyYk9CWnZGSzRBRUFUdG1pdlNKTXFVWHNseU1YeW1QTmd1eUF6Y3psTktkdWYxTmNwUDZwTWVyUGl3Yk92MjM5aVV2b1BkX1RaMU10aC1BUW5YekRJYmFra0FHS2VDVFBNRktaa3BmQ1c0VGc3ZW1KbkZxcmlWVzJ2blowbTBEWW1Ydz09 |
Galileo! Galileo figaro! | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUbGQydlBZNXdUN25SY1NiVFNNZXV4SlYzcEN5VDJUdzlLYnk0MUdmTVJ2cGxEZUtGaHVLTE5WYjJNQWRVS3pSVTVSS3lobTgySk0tOVAwVm51Q2FTSWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbzk0RWxobkVoYUx3TkpONEtWUjV2akM3WXQzLVlPcmRBNm94NmEwV09PUFN0MHZWdUszTHRMOHpfUy1leDhCOTRZRThraEtRTVAtc3NLNEx5c3dmcGI5eGVOOHh0TmVHUlh3aU9SaDJKeWVvS2YyRW1hcll6bFoxSkMtZVF5VE5qNmY1ZHlLWVhDOG15SlB1UE5aMUZXeEJUVGJmM0t2WDNlcVEtNHFNWEVpWFlvQWZJYWlkM3c0V0N1Mldfamp1ZHNHVXZuUEtNUmZGNzgwck5GcVM5QT09 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyqpjkCwEI4 | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUM1RrWGRKb2NVeVZYcy04MGIyb0p1cVhHQjIxODJPRWxjYXl4WnQ5YWdwQUYtSm1BZThMU2tfZHJIbm0zY0kwNHpSV3V4N3MtVlNxNHhKb0pkQ3B4dWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUza1FTSDk5V09CNjdWSVY0WkRmaGRnTHBfQlNIazlLdW1uenZuUVpTYndyWFVZS1VfWTVQZ3hDYzNrZ3BER3lOc1pyY0xGd1ZIOXBDZ3E0UlRSUUM2SVFjQjVveGVPOHJ5VWkxemU0bzhTWVl6VDRacDA1QlVyeTRVWnN5elA5M0RKZFppWFVsWExVSE91VjFEQ3BGQmZORW44ZjlTeXFuczBJRTRtTG4xWkgxSUNMWk41OHlRYy1RbGdTeG5NaDBBRnFRRV90dXVFaGRwaXRiT2tTNGgzZz09 |
That sucks. Feisty was 3 (almost 4 now) versions ago though. Maybe that was one of the things they fixed in the meantime? | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUUEtVWlFYc3htZmFwak5Jc0o1WU45eDVoWDd4eUlMY1h3M0pYUkN5OHEwcjlwMXNGd0lIanRiT3lJczd4WmJDaHNYUDMzZGlWSG1ERWMwUG1aMmctS1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUkVxeVpBTWRJanBoTWF3ZVFrbkcxSy1KY3dXMGthQS04c05qdUxfMEQwTG40eHNQQlhUN0g1Wld6SnRYOFlTNFlyMVR5LW5LdTFwU0hzcFQzS3RuZVVjV3ZfQVRLY2Z0Y3BsVkh4bmpqYldOYzhOZVpRTWlLdlViVm01YUpOOEFaUFBuQnEtOXZfRHZGSGNmNEhnNUNhekZRSlYwZXVHS0l1ejBud2w2c0Nvcl9GdFZCWnBwVXk3a0dpYWNGamc3UXdPaF9UQUY1TWo1SkxtMW9UbWlmdz09 |
buu700@Canada:~$ sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
kubuntu-desktop
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 193 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 49.2kB will be freed.
Writing extended state information... Done
(Reading database ... 174337 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing kubuntu-desktop ...
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Writing extended state information... Done
buu700@Canada:~$ | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUb3RkZ0F2YUJwbTVuQThYRWJXWDdKQmhxME0xUUtnSF9LVkNNa1ZkVl9GOEhsTFhTaWJIdDNoajVrYXQ5Zy1qR1o0aEtzWEFNTld3ajBMVTVkR3oxeFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTTFtYlppcEExV0R6djdpLWhUbTJXbkdwR3ZYMzlVaEVBZUtPZVBUdlFUbzFxd1ZldlNYYThGYVF1Q2lmeDdlTHVYSjJVVXo3a3VVZi1IWXE2bC0waXdQRUhoX29uMDl6bkZYRElibXVlUmhVVkM0WlFRUWhzZUhmWFFJRHViVm1KajlWalJqUVJaSkhnOU1sTGxjcW9hUTRjYXhpMktyVnNrd0tjUDRaSFVpdzBSVGppQnNQMEhEcU01Wm5DQ2ZOQ0tDaGZQM25Sem8ta0gwNjFWTzdGQT09 |
Best just to leave it there until the printer is fixed -- abortions are immoral. | r/mac | comment | r/mac | 2009-03-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUR2hfX09QTUhEVjQtVkkyNFNhVEJRRmQ3S0pyTlQxYTd1Y1hMQkN0UVlqOGEycXRscFVWWmdydktRY0x5M0JuZmNYdXdBd1lSWHV4UVowaDZ0WjFHQUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRjlpaU41QTE0TWNwSTJqZGFSOGVMN2JTZUdYcDBzWG5iM0s0bjRyT2xZMkNVWjVQRVJVN2RXdFRfNFliMXBWUDNGVEJqcEZkOV9QNHhjMjBxLWVvTW1RYklON2YtdzlOdkVVSElPT09IaTNMQ0RVb3FzV1l6OHJGWkNnTlEza3FnQ1RCSDY0QW1NSzFpVDhLRjBWZmtNOFZqTUh1X0poR1NrR2ZTanl1eVVfSWVObm1rbDdvOHVfcm9fenpwT2RhWk8zNWZyVFNqVEJzdlc2Q0MzSFpVUT09 |
File a bug. | r/mac | comment | r/mac | 2009-03-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcW1pMUVEX2hQUmlEUk8zX3V0dF9kd2pxWDE1MmE5UWxFWTMzbWFTNEVJQTBkVzVZNHRoR1JJWVVjb0VENmR1Yy1wWVY1MERvNDZXekY2TWxLSW9FdEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWEdURXBhT3R5ZXVZT3l2YUlhME1IUmNlcGlNTW41YjF5bE4xNXpMSHEyeUNmM3o3cnRKVlZVVkNaVWFIV21jMkpkSE5nRXo1V3J3TGI3ODU2TUNFU3NuaVhabzVSVjVFT2ZBYllmTTdWdE5tQzRnX3N6cGdTcURlM3JsekIzZ2tEU3F4YjNVekN3MGd6d0VXM3JnOEpyeXZmbmdISGg1dU1qMGVlc3p1Zy04QllfbHo5cUlmYXpScHNvZzgwcVlkVFhBT01uY1JSTkhnRXNKUjJiV2YzQT09 |
uhm.. restart? | r/mac | comment | r/mac | 2009-03-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUczlVM3NNNHFzV1JnV0JlNDVnU3JpYmR0R1FfUFA3ejl4Y290YzcyT1hsTG5Tc0plLU1pWGljYW1NbF93NVhjMkUzZXQxUWNqNWVDb250R3Q4b1JQbnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzM29NLXk2aVphcVlLM2tXSDhRbm1WQ2l1S0JxdVNxaV9zZUFSTFQyQWh0UTV4THZoQzNEY2pUa1RBWlphWWJfSHg0ZkpTSUI1enhMVnQxYVNEV2tpUG9rOFhQNTBza29QeHQwVWQtSWhqY1RHaC1FT2pfd3BsdFg3X3FYNUhidkI5ZktSZUV0WlJFY1N0ZFF2eVg0M3I1WUkwQVpiZnhySmRINzhPVWVLc0RDUG1FMVFGRUJsMXk5SVZhdEVuWmZYNzJQMFhfbDhmR1lwci1ZQlNIbUNRUT09 |
or quit? | r/mac | comment | r/mac | 2009-03-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUbGFrVHdwN2hqdzA1Vi1QZjQxYzlZYy1Hb2xwQnBFX3FxT0NkUHVEYXFGZjR5RnBJSHZxdHlXZVJCMW5BeXJTMzY0WEpOZjZUaWxwRWJ2N0RSSDV4LXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzY1BSM1FaSzlaN2p0WHVGRjYtYUtleUFBeFJ3SHhmU3VZVWE5MVhPM1NUYkdLcGxfcktQWlNrMXlYMjJCcDh1TDMxSUVkMjlhTmc0ZVpUWExRcFRyNmZEdHlGZzdzd1NTM0NQRXJfVUVIOERtZHpYWkUxQ255bE5GN0ROQ0RrRTlfTFA1X1dqSjRGbEpUNXRoX3hNUnBhd0JZSExKSlNRVnBaSHB0aTRDbW0ySkhHV2FJdlJLZXB5MGlvVkpiX1VlMnhxQXFnSDF5YlhvSHBzVUJyT3M3dz09 |
I think this is an old bug. Are you sure you're up to date? | r/mac | comment | r/mac | 2009-03-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdkJYLTNhRE12TzJndWtYcnIxNTFQUk1FQkhBMS1mOUNYa0VBWDdPeGx0UEdvaE1fYmd0a2pzOS1ib1FwMjR3eERWVVd6RmlKNklKR2ZyWXQ3SXJIa0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzb2w4X2N5ckRfZDBONWQzc0FITG5tVEVocV9HUklPTVE1TFBiVWVNQmNPQ0RPUnlnYk1WSWZ1bl9KQkFTNlFDMHFFNDhaRTl3RXQ3OGlMWXA1eDdMTEJkaFg0eTRrQjBhMm9RS3FhTG9YUW41UHlLMUxTNHl4Q25aRXlSRWo1UWlyNGFiY0dGQ011QXJHcjV3Z3ByZzJZRE1xYjEwcVFqZjJBVU95dHJqOFVhLTBTd1E2eFFWQlJPQWhNaGR4RXBzYVJkSmEwMW8zTlRNaWNlZnBKYzdqUT09 |
Care to provide *any* details at all? Any proof? Screenshots? Maybe little things like which *version* of Mac OS X you're using? What printer? Which drivers? (Factory or included?)
I have a Brother laser printer on the network, and sometimes it doesn't wake up for a print job. But it most certainly doesn't cause any process to spike.
Besides, you can open up your print queue and delete (or "Hold") the stuck print jobs. And like the others have said, file a bug. | r/mac | comment | r/mac | 2009-03-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZFV0N09vNEVDUlpmSUVfVm9qYk9jRmx4SkRLMjhSWjV1djFwckdlNzVjRElPZVRDX0phX3gxbkxNVmRKVTlKRXUwd0IwVWRVbnd2VXRvTUpDT1g1YUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWG5HeHhiRWdGWUMyb1dwVXpEVHI2Rk51VGhLQlJUM2R1YXotc3VKcFozLWpsNmxxMXhEMTFsOWdYeGpZRDFfdnY5aEtXbG9WalgyUzIybjZMRWI2RU1IWUU1TjV3bThKeUs4YjR0V0ZOM0s1bkpQWHNCWWRyc2VQRGVjLWRPemphU2VwcEhxY3gwYVU5ZTBsRTN2OEdlclVjazJYRXdkbnpNRWFTdy1Bb2FtS3doSmtPeWxIcUtfWEdkOVdNU3VYbXM3clF1Z2hIbHRreWlhamdQZ0FWQT09 |
"rape your CPU"? What age are you, 11? | r/mac | comment | r/mac | 2009-03-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUblA5MEZ1bE92cVVKX3RmUUd4b3F0dlhpWDJNNWxwTUctNUhoTzExX1hrUVBfM1R6UXJ6Vm5zTGJMSHNhY01OcEt3MExGd0p1cEltOWdMSHJnRE9pdkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzY1BYdExFXzUzUE9iYUI0QWQ2TmllZ2J0SDN6TDZILV85RUpvbjRRMXB3LW9nZjlQclo5ekk4eUVtMGc0cndoTWozTl9vNDljWEgteW1WREN1c2o0LUZWRmdFVVpuM04tRDhxbXoyUnNVWHhFVEZvOEh4eTE5NlFBRjFsYnloc181LVVZekJsR1RoTk9PUzVxOGp4R3dhNEhQRGp0cFRCRjFZNmQ2NGVWaU5maC1sUVJIU25rd3diLUtqUGRxc3FSc2VlZy1NY0d2bWlZVUdITGQxOVVfZz09 |
Sigh, old article is old. Plus, it's all unfounded. It's a trademark issue. | r/linux | comment | r/linux | 2009-03-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUeU95b3c3aVRrMDktejl1VEJLbmdEeG9qNHR0dm4tRG9idjRSSTg1Q3dmVm9Kd3E4WFY0d3hIT1NEWE1YM2ItMFBGWFl0bkdvZ3lsWHBIMGZKQWVXYmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzM0xKSlNwUUlLaDhQa2lHQlV0RDVpSVU2ZUIwbFdkQzNiLXlGUW9VOVBPeVFoZkZKeWswMFZfUVFFam9pLU91b3pyaWx4am02aXQ2MkRLd3FxQVM5WldHU0FXdTVZeW5JLTM5WUdNVEliSURPVUhEaS1TR29sN1hsQWpGWnJIeng2cnZuM3BwdUdONW5iLXRiWHVfZEhlVDBqRkpDcXdPckVpXzIyZWczMG0wcGRnTGxDQzBuV2hOM3hyTGRzLW1L |
..but they should actually be using ISO 8601:
YYYYmmddhhmmss. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQnJzV01xMTltU0hDRlU0ZTVILURQQWNnaUZqMV9pdVA3cjVNXzdXVU1DNVNCRUpldGNCS2lXVDZJUHctOHVKTnJ2N29pTXdJaTBiTGszeS0ydGd3Smc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzejZST2R3dWZ2d3BxSHJnU1lOekh2UW5LazQ2Q3p4bmdpTHl6VHRvcVRPeFpVMTJnLVlfTng3QW1OZldWREwxNVlNSmNtcTlsMjhPNGFGUXM2OWJWTzc0WUdvSDRndnZOdHpnUUNPMTAxdUpNNWJaSzB1eC12c3pwOWZvVHRESXVmUTMtcXFKY2tVSFUtUFV3RjNwOXdidHJJdjV6STUtSThucEFpVjZ1TUxiZFlzTUQ1bzZlZDFsdF8wMkQ0MGstNjNranp2Sm5XLTlCenJMc25FMHVWdz09 |
1,132 years to go then... | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSDNvX281c0tNSkNaZnRaNmdRWmJ3QlhiSUxBc3M0Y0JlRWljbVlrb2wxY0hrc0gzYjJnR2tjY2ZZWHhuZEUyUnBXNGpCVENBTzllQkw2TUZSVUlTWUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzT3Ixa3Q1QlF4MGRnaDVSbUFHWHpYM2Z5ZEFUUzREZ3ZxaGo3dWRqNW5MaWFFZEE1dUNwbDRUSVR2VWdwVzdaVlhpNDhwVkU5NFhhUUdVdHIxMTVyS1dkVERHNFJBeGlXMVVtUTFTZ29TakZGQ0wwZTEzdDdWdmRBaEpKR2VQMEhJX3p0T3UtbHlPQWRrdXl0b3g5YWlwZE9Oa3RPUDQzR1NyUzNMTHZmLV9EYThOWEF6VGM2ZE5XZlhGQmw4NFJsYjFiTG5MOW9KSWdwVTlKVmZsOExkdz09 |
What about using the Unix Timestamp?
Wednesday, June 14th 1933, 18:09:17 (GMT) | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUMmNQbkV0S21ybmJJR0pNUVI5WUdXN1NBTDZ4MGx0SG41LXc1QkZlekt2dGo2R0Q0VEV5NVFESjlZdTRONWZhSHNKTG1IbF9vUVI1dFdIT0Y0SndvU2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcFBaS1RIQXB5empXNkg1N0hYQU5rMGtvcjFwUjh1WURtaG1WNldQZW5yaUlEOUR3Y3l4REdNS05QT3M3QUFyWFNDN1dNU0dhb002Nm9FRW1NVndXQjJDU1VsbXpabUpLOFFRSXdxM1VWUE4wRVZhbklrekY4dnByMFctNlAtUHNfdGhicHlUMldGVjBDbUVOYW1ZVnpnS3lPbHVqYlJmY0dQZ3NCcnJON29xT2dRUGdfNVE1YVhsY0xGSVh4UVRyTjliS19oQjRjdEJZeEpUNGtZLWdrUT09 |
I use the dd/mm/yyyy format myself, and I find mm/dd/yyyy extremly confusing.. but I think 14th of March is a better choice, because it reflects the distinction between the integer and the decimal part (you have the 3 for the month, and 14 for the day), whereas in the case of 31st of April, the integer is mixed with the first decimal.. it is more like 31.4 instead of 3.14.. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdzJ0WnRBUXFMZTRHRGtuRE91dlpFNkxuRkIxWnhYWE9paXhHdmFrcURhbXY0NFhmNFk2blc1bmZ3SG1tSGotS08xVF9PZF9GTy1hVnBqaDBNdnl0QXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzaExzdUJQSndpeHR4MzRCWXdJOVJ5MU43Z2tuams0dGt0ZXhlWDJsb2NWdnBqTjd1VHU5NGJxVGtibVpEelQ0bV9MVWt2YndzMjBOUThPc0VMUEt2aElnU0hDajg2b01QVGVlekVVQVBZLXpOLWgtaDNZc0pkRmk4SW9MRnJMdlVlQUhfSzlHZUpBTUV4UjhiSXFfd24yTlhOUnRKcUw0UElUa1pGYzl4YWZXQmhGb2hseW5yZERwVktNeW8xYmU5YXUzbVhINW5YcW96dm9YZjlVNnhiUT09 |
(there is that and the fact that 14th of March exists - shhh, don't tell anyone) | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSlgzd3ZQODRfUzUxRmxiUXR4el90dTV3eWJPV2pNbGlMcE1LUUh1MFNHalNvQ1VVRVdSdjhoSDM1Q1AwS2FlWmg3b3dmcEZGVlM0MjI5eTIydHJXdnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNllraFhZTWNtcEFVTUZkZkpCaHRoSWNDeHR5SVZJVHd4OTlxTXhMUlR4bzZETmQ2NGpYMDlLN19wSkJuU3c5Y2lPdXRqS0s3ZkFsbWkyeXRwS1M2VFFBTktxa3FsSTVWQmYtMHdlNm92d1Z2VHlIZlJqNWFLZ2Q5eE9fT0FyYzlXc3I5aklFYXVrZXZXZnFBalRDU19wSVo5NHV0eGRWTXNQVkx4RzVZeDhnX2pEQ09KbFdUTkU4QjB5ZmZueTU1RzVmOEhQTm5IMXR5OGtlV2ZPUmIzQT09 |
I was going to give this a chance to get upvoted a bit before the big reveal. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUVUQ3aG5SNk1ZQktEV0lxcktQZFV5ZEluM2tDaGdqVU42NmpDSHN2bVpIY0dFVVY3bU9hSFAxNWwtQTJhUE9xZXlhTGdadFFkR2NoS1JFR250bW1TZ1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNlVyLTE5aGo2R093dEFqVEFQWlBsR0pweE5hU0MydXhPRmd0SVhaY1pzcGRKYllBeHdyYXppZ2NRXzdTUk9FT0ZkY0o4TGtLcDZaMmp2UFVIN0xiejRlYVhFY1E5RTJleFVmRUVKcWtnWGc1SUxSb2JRbHB1NWdtb25sRkN6YWVzcHZ2MGNMRUk3QjhpTlB5WXk4NU81Z0RkUTB1b2x2bUpuekRYdl9TVTV1VTNJYmVSU1BBS21RTlo2VlA3VWNFLTBQRExtVHVzc2dvNnpHOFcxSzFrQT09 |
so was I, but I have to leave the office. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSFk5TjRNQVhHUWVxLWw4WFJDNVB6WGFpU1dNQUt4XzJJZ3p6NXJ6QTNCUEJhQ0FrcXlsZWxiSEpyQTVaTk1FLS1BS1hpRWRRR01HSHkyNnlacWxjbnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzX3Z4RHJXdFlWdHlSWERmb2F0MTJ5Q2RyTkRRa3pKMmNPMHdXaTBqRGJXOEgyb0k1X0FoMU16c0J1dXRFamJicTRUdTczZldxdzkwbkVURXBpUnNnQmpYYm9nYUlEcGVVN21idzJDOGNHYmxZQUNHZWZSdXNmSEVmMWRSTURzNWw0R0o5WG1UalRXRVVjVmlGczhDaVhlajdGeTQ3NU5YbGs4eGV2eVFtTFBKV0Z6Tm5VbGE4YVNrb1RyaXZjRGlhaWhFUXBDNXJFaF9GZG51d2FpMkF3QT09 |
April only has 30 days. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQlpCbVFSQ083VWRYRkNtQXFHeG9jcmJ4OGw2RDUxQUFJUkVfemNaa2NqVmF6ZVktc2g4cWFQWWJCdGJXanZjenBhMTZ3TzhUU2JNdmx4dmo5M3BpWFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRDdTMGtEeC1TN1BHclUxQkV4VS02cUwtUWpIaWs0cDBVekdaSDBBVzE4SkI1MG1CVUZ2ZTdCMld5OHVFckVJU2pKaVF4RkdXWGNwbURXV0hlcGVCcldnSk5pWndKZDhfdlh0YkJ4U3kzZDM5NnV3aFhka19EWmFCNUtUbDQwUXdYTXZKY2c0Ul9RZXVYc093bm10YVlDd1JWQ09YWUNkNllmYTE3SDE5dGFtcXZjVU5XRHVjQzN0T0hMSXRFVXJNcDdtYkRiamtIeVNDV3ZndEJkaHBzQT09 |
Or if you're just converting the bits from a float to an int, Fri Mar 05 18:40:11 2004. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWkhQN0ZBN2RsUkY3djc0Z2xxaUdtNVpMd1M3V0hiN0RKbDJzdXBwNzI5N3dvS1NhQzYzRnIzMklVSUxsaHh2ZGdJX2otTXg0cHJ1RDduRFp1ci0xemc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTEZqel9WWmkwWnBjTnp0YUgtU053dDNtVFdERnQweUZFOTBYOGpSTWs1UnNNNmQ3LThTcnNDanl3Z2xWUGV4bmdLYkNiZVh4SmFMT2ZCeWs5UGdiTlNiR3dvaUNkRGdwQ0VxNkFCbVJtLU1TbU44NElHQUdCUzN2b2JEaWZnZHRqd0FnOS15cVE1bnc3UUdQX0E3cEpTSXl0NjlFaHl4V09zTHdEZnVKYV9ZR1lmMkdKUzV3VkJYd0VlaDk4ZlNCaEkwYUVaQV9pRzVnYnNBREZ5aWlCUT09 |
apart from the fact that most numbered days will be non-existent: YYYYMMDDHHMMSS
MM>00 MM<=12
DD>00 DD<=31 (+ other conditions)
HH<24
MM<60
SS<60,
leaving only a proportion of 0,00321408 (0.3%) as valid numbers.
| r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQTEwSHdCYkhhejNIS2RHc0p0UjR1QnpYS0tJNmpsZDBGZEpGclJkZThtZnI3WjdXc1FRM21NT1FZYVRuR0RfWmZJUi1xSF9MaTNvWm41dlVGY1Vhd1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRFcyeXl6V1B6ZDdFMks2TUlkYkR2WUozNTE1UHBPcTZWQnVZblNobk5MUlJjbkxJd2R3bTlXVS1ZTm55Zk51dG50ak1yYWI1azAzMU0zNkQzOGNTaXpwb3JiM04wblc5cWJ6SFlEc19DRTFxRUo1Y0VpS1dvcHlnNG9hYU5fSS1FUi1kVkUyM1dMZ29qZ0JxTGZIX2VIWTBBVDc0RllOOEJNRmRmVmphcnMzTkZ6aWRYRExpeHlZX1dGYWw5d0pOd1RhZldRREF3SHdRZ0NwN0xtVHdRQT09 |
Really? I don't believe it..
Actually, I did have two collegues in high-school who would say they celebrate Pi Day on the 31st of April.. they actually did it on the 30th, just before midnight, and say it was 30.9999999999999999.. of April, which would be the same as 31 :) | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUeXI4RjY3ZTRET0E0eFViWFlscGdSejRKLWNQUlAyYjluNEgwRnJkUU81XzZIVWtkbTNKS0I5LUxsX3dwREVVX0ZoU01NMzU1UEhPY0g3Q0lHM1cwSWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWEJ3Xzk4bUtOSWVaczhwLVpPTVZsYUN2NWtWYVAteVF2LVRkQXFzUnZ1SkJKY3ZhQXdjQ3pfX2dxbmEtMXRhU0lTb1k0MVFzbzZrUUFUSW9wVEgxdDBGckM3WGRFT25KQlU4a0o1RkxPbVhCUU8wN1ZzTVFsY2s4QUVyZGRxbV9PWHk4LXBNSDJIZFJVVG1hc2hhYXpSdDdUNUhzdW9QVWFrRTktNmNDWTRqQ0dRMmxzOHdjSzZEZnZ6QXpSU19uTzZlWmw5RE1XRFYyNEExOEF4Mk1vdz09 |
3.104? | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWlMxci11Z1ZEWVQ5RUlnemI5WS1OVE9ZOTJwRzJHTTh6UHpxdW9pbEw1Y3oyRmtMcG9TcUU3ZmxjS0owWGhvRURyOFJIbEVLM3ZYV3oySkk1cDhYWlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVl9lNW9SRVFLTmFheVMxRlQzd1JHRkNTUkFVYThoZEZUX2dyMGl0Q1hQWVVBZWxnVWZPOXZpSG5ndkQ5LWJYLUdLS3RXVkJvOGVtbnkwTVE0NnhSM3FQcEdKeWNGZ1hiakFJT0lXbmtXQXdSdXpyNVYwQXo1SV9zaUdWYm5UbnZHbkVxLUxXSkhTWVZIU0hVaWg3emlZUXY3X3ZFc1JoSE51SWpHM1lsY0lXRGE3LVRRdUZDTkwzc08xWkRRTE9HaU5jMjk3aFlLR2N1TXJXZmNjVWtQdz09 |
yyyymmdd. arguing for something else is like arguing for intelligent design. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUMW5rSVhra2hhVnd2TEJqSDNMaW0wbllGVmJnT0dnNHdRUXBFeHlybE0zeXBfNzdBZ3p4X0hYOFB1a1NkMWwxWnBUcUFQUlh4aWVnRVJBQ2xVV2ZpWlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbjZHY1lGWGR0SmMtbTJYYWFKQ0t1RVJzWnRxQkJzZDFGVF91bFhOMmFkX2lpZEtDazJNNnZQN2N0bEJtUnFiQlpSSTIyXzZZX0FhNUJ2OGJucGYwZmF4M1RJQ0JaYXppQ09aeldCMWc1dGVYWlZFMTJJandVU1VqSzd5NUNua3U0cThsMHdKN0FIa2w4UUJ3RXZiTmcwRHRydUNZSm5ZcloyT2NCVUV1WEFrS3dRbDl1RHdiUU43RnkwNm9OQjR1V3l6XzhvSmxMMG5WWFNUSE1QT1cxQT09 |
22/7? | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUd1RBLUpBdWVKR0VEbENUZHBlaS1xR3poTGZxUEhBNlBlN2hEbnNveUFleV9YZUF0U3kyLTVOV1lUT1lkdHBBSEdXOWQ4SEo2NmtDOEZ5bV96am5zMmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTkFTb2pPYVdmUHQ1LUJXMnFBUFFHOWNkVW9Hd3JSaDFXZC1XT2VpT2FQYTd4RjVhOV9FeDhlRG5MTGtkVHFLX3psNmdnTVh6eENFNDd4eEJ0VHdkcWQ3NHVMU25YZlM0UFpsX0ZULWE4YXJ4bFA5Tm1Vc3Zva1hrbDR1VDVoNXIxRzFGSG81RjRra3VlTDdGYkNJVlVwVUxtZTJxRWh3NHZlT1RUcHdWSkFxSzF1a29sa3doY2gzZ2JQWTNxc1hxQ05KVElKVE10T19UaUJsX3hqMmRFUT09 |
Alright, everyone count on your knuckles:
Jan(knuckle)...Feb(between)...Mar(knuckle)...Apr(between) Duh! | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZXY5TGE0WU5KSHAwSVFseE1qWVNfR0UwY0V4Z1BoZHhFVzR3YlFETjk1Wk1jLXNYUjdaeE1NZWFjbkk4TENnaG1mcVdYVm0zdUFfTGpmMmxQdTVVR0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzR3RlbXNybzRTLUlidUtFakNDMlkyZEtqVzM5eUhxY0liUTBsODFQbVg3T09odEw1QTB4a3JVYnhlQ1lCMnZBMDJzU2dvbkFFLVFCV2p1OU40OEJTLXR2ZC15OWZQbmowb256UlBua3JCWUI4dHd3bl85TzRTVXo0dnVka05Mc09OTGp5UHpCSWZ2blNad2FWRWVncUtIVFJkb0w2cFNzTUhVR2libi1TNTN6a2VkYXR5RTd3WmhZdi1wNkNYMV85WW5QRlIyVUxNVjRtdm9Ta2dlbVpkdz09 |
Big-endian -- just like all other human-read numbers. It's the way it should be done. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-14 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQzQ3cnNKeDYwbEZWYjZkQUI3OVJHUEtRWHZCNmxhQnBIbUozMWdOd1JJVWxqSVpZalJWdWtDYVJFNG9YRXVtb2JnSE5JZGwyS3MxdFRVdzF5cUIzTVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMjYyX2IxM1dmQ1J1U0NHTmNlVU1palhQbHNPWkZHaG44MGVSSUE2bUtoc2o5anl3RW84U0pyMDh3VDVBcGo2RG8xREZhYzB6WUR3c2lfbHpjcnpDRUZSWVB2SWdKRG5CQ1V3OUhpSG5TMW9vczRGdFhqY3BCM0llMjBiN3ZGZGxWQlpBY21uY2pMdGlHV1FVWDNBVDlMb05zNDFQT2NxQmVYU3g2WXRwSHZSc0kyWmhyVFZrX1ZFZHVYUFhTcHNEMm9KTUg1Q2x2X2xXRlZ1X0tVaWYydz09 |
I can have pi any day. | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-14 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUR0xPbUlMSE43WEJIbUtHTEgwc1NqOE13ZjFnaVVZWXlqUkdwN3FQWVV4M1hISXlVbVd1NVdpNUpuWDlCZmFuNE5lb0lDWGVIelcyZzdDY2wtUnp1bVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMjFvbzBZWTZ0OVRwTk1hN2E4amFiTHFLUXRnOUg5SzQycmJ4QWo1ME5OaXJIOXlrVUVjRTBORmRDWTNMYmkxM2lGSWx2S0RhRDEzODE2X19VS3ltaThySWl4ZGlmYTVpd1JJcW9KTnVoczF2eTlvb3ROZG1pcTNOemVtZFJoQ0ZDdG90X3FiZjBTZzZhTV9leUlHeVd2V0FVTGV1U1lUc3FkUklsMnpxc1Z1TU82QUxsb0RTdUN4aDRlUF9YNXZDR1NIQzVvVWFwZHllLVdnWXgyZTloQT09 |
I love the [etymology of "endianess"](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness#Etymology). | r/math | comment | r/math | 2009-03-14 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUekJvNV8tSDU4TjJqSjA0WnducFhiS0dybUwwRTRsbGlERWNNQ1NBM280TVdLeEg5WFNmNEV2cHgyN01YZTF1ZldoODNueW1GQktSMDhiSGRVcTl5ZkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzV1R4cXprWTVnVnZXTk53azNEU0lUalY1NjVZV3JzZUxldWtYSmtCSWtYYUFGd0FVSm9wSTBUX0c5SHhxLUZGRzFWWE1fYzlCUEd3R3dwTUZ6akRXT2lud3BOLTk0OVhDdm5fU3A5UGdtUThyVTdjRlo5cHpyTHVRT1BwMWFwMXd4TC13eDF5VlBxWjlBek56QmVTSlYzV0ExZ3E3VDEyc3hwTS1zMWVCeUExRkNTRnNPQmF1ZTJpNWdIaGN1Slc0N3FYbHRmMmZqb1VMUzhQOEJNSmxKZz09 |
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