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No, that's like saying I fly a 767 but I also bought hybrid cars for 12000 people. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUVmhvbmd4M1d0UGZRMjh1d1R2b0N6NlM0SldQODdYekltVURPWUZ6Xy1hTzZKdl9LWFJPWjJCSWU2emNQTE52cVEySGU4bDFpNU56ZFRiSjkweURKd1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzejBVT1VRbmFHZXhfYmdmUWlPQXRaVUdrSDczOFRLM00zWVZERkphbVRnUXQ3UzY2VW1DSlBBTUJTU3ZJNXpCUjdBMm15N2ZZY1dNV1lBWi1CNGhZYlpxc1lXS052bHc4NzhoYU9GdmN6VGtna2wzUEpRS0pDT3IxcGJYa3E4aUpya2U4RWlscWQySWZ3eFFpdHMwQUtUbW1VM1JURjVDRnNvbUw0M3AtS2NQM2NicUotNWhVLUdnTUIyeFlKbFN6ZVVRZjMxQllQZjl5QWluWFpDOGN1Zz09 |
*if they have a motive for making readers feel less guilty about using their planes*
You have it totally backwards. They gave several examples of people using private jets as part of their indictment of those celebrities. If anything, that article ought to make their readers feel *more* guilty about using a private jet. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSlY1THVYMXVrT0xFUmIyYV8taFBPbFZUbTI1X2I3dkxSa1RPQ09Vc1VrTVlqZnA5bkl1N0p5RHJmNFdqcWZ1Wm1hcExhQ0ViQ1NkOEt6UnF5Y0Fvc1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzS2hGOThHMlRJc2pZMkhnYjlyMl9MNUZlTS1mVjE3M0NuTnU1ZXRiQ1d0cFdPeXNOYnVoY2tyUDBsdHpkNVJpUDhjRzlkVEtNd0djaDltc0hmWFQ2YXhoUmlTUlFERG1YZHNlaDd6VnlmM2o3dkFqMTR6d0VmbHF1ZzlCOUowUUFFQ0xIODlOUGE4a2xRNFlqRlNUWUQwSVBjdW1zTmpjWWpWNjkzbkhSYXQydWdpVVlMN2JWVjdqZFBBcExpc0wxSjFmdF9HazVybTZFMjd5OWFnVi00UT09 |
Gore has a scooter that runs on stem cells that ferries him from the bedroom to his bathroom.
| r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcG1LaHdNd2lLLWQwYzhpQjBZblhZNW5kTGpwZU1FV2h1eVZLdVJCdjNSdUM5ZG8wS0hBdE9MSURQWUdrOFp6SnBGLXBIbjdBb2tCdW5sbkdOZGJ4NUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdVhGOWp3TXVUelFqNzFFVTBZLVNVMjV4UnhibDMxM1dRSnFFeFJxYmhHblY0ZDJXTmk0dmFFQ1dtVlVTanQtUExSbWt6dE94ZlhSWlB6emNOQUg2dXRUaVp3V1R5ZnYtRWs2dGhUY0g1V3MzZGFELUs2OUF2TUtKOERubk1PajRmSDQ2ZnNjNGFaVXp0Qk1PNFpIUWFhMXhJSDY1eHZKZ3dmeDJHc29fb0NISFFFLVRIOURVdmZPSHJoNFpmODJXRksxLTFRdjhnd0hLNlQ4MzNmSkVFZz09 |
Gore once caught a fish... just to watch it die.
| r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUc3hOMG5TMnpUdmkzZkVpNk5kM214T3BmaUFUQ25TRkVMU09hT2hldkNQX1AtVXFaSGlObm9yRFJDYlZ1Yy14RHFQRzR2ZzROYUwtZmwxRXU0a0g4bVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzd0xUN2RQcjVCcUJybFRjTFU4Wk41Z1V2N1NEdjZvdUFLZnF5NjUxVnZMNFZNR0NwX2lUTHpPRHBxRlNLakZ4M2oyaVQwLVljUjFJNVlpbzNta0otZ0VrOTlqZUZfQkF6NmRxQnM3dVR4dUw1VERNS1JfVk1JRlE0enhNSzhWRFd2LW04LUdXQmdad0JNWFJzNHUwQjJDY2hzdG5pcXd5Zk93bHNIYm5mYnFWT08xWC1sQmsyZWpHN0o3dVMxb19OS2lLTGRicV9mYmRyOHVuOVJpTDN0QT09 |
try [here](http://www.reddit.com/user/FTR/comments/). | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdW9TM1BEaTU1XzdNYUIxRzN2NkNjcUx4Q1NnWEJsOTFCN1oyajVITXlOMnJMZjkyenVILXpqdkNiNUd5YWd5QnBhT0lCa0ZYWUtITEV2VW1DOEZKVmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTjhsR0VreUItM1NZSUI1MjB0WnJORkpKdEtQV05UTDNYOVFSTF8xbncxYWI4OWh1dkFRNHlzcm5pQ0FybU56NnlIUks4MW90amFnYTZzUjRHTmVyY0Rpc3FldGxxb0tzZ2JESlBBOHJxdWszbndLT042bXZCaDJFdnA3VE1WbWRINXhod2xKSjNieHc4ZUtfalE2YzRxVzJoTlp4RlZ4TG1XVmRHV1EzT09aUmRCZk9MUmhYMFZCT19yRkpGbGhUM3pXWlZiNVd6YUNWYk5tcGVqLVZGQT09 |
"Private Jets", the "Scientific American" of the Conservative establishment. I can see how their editors, in between running ads for multimillion dollar personal lear jets, do exhaustive research into energy conservation. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSW1FM1FOZl9pYnpYUzJDRjhTd3F3dFJmRXZsUWpJcGlqWW5nSE1iZlZqMGU0MDcyWFpyZTkyNDM2Z3l1OTB5b05Ja2lUX3ZrNlFBek5aZ1RyN2dIVUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzT2FUeGVhRDZ4R296LWJvUUs5eVBfRXRySFV0WmE4T0VTZmNQNzR6ZWFOWklJcWFFNDR2eHZHdDZDX1MyZmVKblRmcW80ZGZXRmFFWTFBdm43WnROZjZvc01mdFhjUnZURGdFU0V1SmhHem5mZEpkU2pGOWFNcndtbWs4QWVVS25YSE50VDhReFZmVkYwWFJaQkhtTDl5ZWktOVppRmxfdWEtcmhUdkdzakJvZE15RkFMTmw4blZQZ3dvZVFmdjN5bGJOeWFneXp1UzFCVlVkbW5nLVF2QT09 |
Jesus, that was fucking pathetic. Seriously. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUVTZSQ2UtQmxNRnlFRHRPVnppd3dFMzFzVFpYZE85WG9nNjdOdzAteXNOWHU1aHF3RkEwaGlHdFBGcThBb2VsMGdSUTlTYlRjcVlKbGRrVy1tbUdnZ3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMHJ1bWtnX1UtcnV0YUo0QlhjYXBDbjVQQ0tuRnpGaE9peUx5TXlRZ1M5MHNiRlNLaVNXZEN4Y2Q3RzR6R1BQSjBtWEhhTlNYdDZJRTRFT3NRNkdpNU1XRVlWb0l4Y3ExRmVuYURuZ3hwY0pnNHMycmlRcjVvUHVSSTFKTXg0TFQ3NmhNVzNiWks5UlpuX2VMcjRyMGdEX1RoWGwzQUR2cVVJVjlYeVVFUU5kcXFrUnhVVU1EMXpxZGNjSzhCcDlSYjFSMkhkQlAyazhRc3BYUERnc1d4UT09 |
I don't at celebrities as leaders, or anything else for that matter. The sad thing is millions of people do look to them as leaders and try to emulate them. That being said, if a celebrity is pushing the global warming agenda, then they should also practice what they preach.
| r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQVhtbVNmZERqRG9jRTBIMTdZYmFQaVVmckFZZERfOFlyWmpVY1BQM3oxdFpvNUpMOTViRlZLTmxRRmpvVjJTTWtHd3J1WXlPaFRMNlZnM2dYbmZnVGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNURDSmh4SXBPeEFROXhpNEgyckxfQy1EdnVYWS1XdWUzbC0yRmZKODlfRkZrUnZEdW02T29GeDk3dkhEVzk1b1RVd1pmWHZNbFdLdnQ2QXVkNXU4SmtnZGd4M0RCck9PS3U4ZHV3NGZHcHlIWFYzR0ZpTzliTDg0dy1aWE1jcHd6cG03OFl2WVpSX2REd2llWXNDZ1JQZWpMZC04Tk42X19ScHJkdkI5M3RNb05nUlJTdmFtRm5XTGtCbEpnNktsMC1tUHprejYtQ2N4Rl8zV05lX3lUQT09 |
Proof comes from market forces. If people who want to buy offsets for environmental reasons feel that the company is not properly offsetting carbon as they say they are, that company will cease to receive funding.
There are many ways of carbon offsetting. I don't buy your argument, if it's built does it matter whose money is used to generate the captial? Presumably if capital was going to go into the project in the first place those investors feel it is a worthwhile investment and would spend their capital in another similar project.
Unless you show that carbon offset money is actively dissuading investors from the "green" economy you have no case. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUXzNJT0RxRnpkT0psZGg4dk0waUhtM3E1YXJYVF9mTmFXYlU3b043a0I3LXhxZVM4RkRkd09tS2VEZzBUY2NHMHRZYjFxYklsekNfaXJiQ0EwTzdXcnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzd2tXWnNnLTlDYWY2YzBpMUxURWdJR2RBQ0Z6MjY2c0YtcDV0NktrUmJnQW9ENEFFUld5OWdUMUNqOWFZejhhOGUtdmYycnlSR1ZldngzMXYwM1VLRjZiemhkSVVyS0hiLVFGXy1TelVxTmUxQ2swVHdQU3VwbUFXcERrNDhoY0pIdWhmZXFDMkh2RUJ5Z3BCWFlScjBBNF9LbjJwWE5mYzRNUjlpVElfQVZnRDlGWlZBa3ZpMWNzdGFlcGp0Si1lMElWQUY1bmpqNnJyWHVkSzZRNWt2QT09 |
Why? Is it better for them to shut up so NO ONE talks to the "common folk" about the environment? Because that's the alternative. Madonna isn't going to stop touring because her jet uses fuel, and Gore isn't moving into an eco-friendly apartment. You would rather they shut up than push an environmentalist agenda? That's the most idiotic fucking thing I've ever heard. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWFNUdTJiTTNmcTdmdGNsUXo3OUVPdERKMGthdUlNYVZQMExEdThJNlg5VGdqa0hpcHdtNV9NMkxacW1uOUJVbTEwZHBCWTZXTjNSUmFJWFhEOGFQOUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVkxMVWtwUnNlaVFuZzYteFA4Q1pBUnluTW5pWGlzbnotcjlWTHpEV1RSLUNmQjNlT3loM1hmY2ZteXJ5cExBQ1pwT1NublF1dm53YXVRLVI0dEJSU2ZjNE9KVENmU1ZzQ3NFdUFJTHl5cDMwTmtqYlcxNzg3M3RPcndZaEFJZ1VfRkpycUtBeG5kQlBLeDlQSXVSc19aWDlkWjZ5QzZJOGh3a2ZxZ2pWNmZ2Si0zWEVSZ0pRUGVLa3pOYU94bGY1a3hIWVNENlZGY2JGc2xKSlA4NWRlZz09 |
Who downmods a comment like this? This was the first thing I noticed. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSUQ0WUxlZDRLVXNhUHdJWWlsUU16cnpzVEVCTk9pMVFUa0tJZk5GWXhSWExTTEY4a0U5dmpTSnYxcFcwRlFPd0VXeUM1MWJBQ1pMZ3ZmZlJNYjVaZnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzaV9rbnprVUx5YjJrR1Izbm5rV296b0hqX2VsQWZCZUhLNVVQSzRmclJwZDRRMUltWExVeDQwbmpMdVRIdjYtMkR2bWRvY2prVHBmNGNpNHdMLVZ0dVVrbE9wOEpaMk1EUXRpamJxZk05QlJ2cXkyYjlwUjBKd2Etc0RBeExSVERQc3MxRGVyT2dZYzZvVW5rYi1aMHBzQWFQYzFnU1lMTW82ZGx3SHA2N19BLXZwUzdrclVUY3cxdVRtVjlYYnJ0a21oTHhOSkNSc1BuTlB6M000MEVuQT09 |
Yes. All the accredited research is done by people that hang out on Reddit all day. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUN1hVWm1aR19QRnNWbjhhTGVMVDdpeFZGbVhXWVZrd2hrVGtybGFaWU9PYTNZYWZneXB2SV9jWFZHZk5QclY1SmVpSzVKT0dYZzRkTWhleWRqNEhIbHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQlVTUldUTUdqS3ZfYXIxUndkNlIwRFdCLXBhQl9vbjZnT3plQ1dGZU03OUR3NnAwdHpKV3lpNGRqcGo5YmF3Umo2Yk44VkF1WGxOUHJBZzZRc1NHVDM0bVlTU2l3TE9DcUZ5ZDlVMlhYNGN4Rmd2eEhLT1hZdzFPbjFkekZUR1FkVjQ4UWJzbGVsZ09lbXA1bnNseVRwZnN0T1U0M01CSV9hVHV5QUtldDhuN19idm1VNVl5MVEyRXdsZlg1WndyaGpydU1pamlaREJYdUt5aVBnNjRoZz09 |
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SERIOUSLY! | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWmJiNEdMMm04eFBscHRVdHIxVnZCWGlBM2RmWk50OGdWdkRlUTFuQVNOc0pIYjJOc3VHd25OVmg3LUJnbFU3cFlHWFhPal9aU0RGaE9ySVdCazVlaWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMl9qQzR6WEZqR1FzVXE5ZHY4RnZka1BNYmNsY1RDU19ralV5V2RJQmlYZFNibkVqbVhwTlRpazlvRjZWblFPYUw2bkpXZW53bElSMVl3R0NzSkZZd2tkMUpkSTVKRFFHUFB2QXZjc1hVQ1Bya3JPMnRSbHZJX1ZpeTZ5Rjk3TUpNS3NMUTMxb2VfUmtMN0hEZ0V5MEtJYVFRNzVwUFZ4WGdXek5hSGhLeVFITEE2cm5VVXRqRGUzSG5oVXJnTFY2bHZZMnNXZlo4U3oycmJyUmhnaVYyZz09 |
I would rather people, who push their ideology on others, practice what they preach, or stop preaching. In essence, do not tell someone how you think they should live their life, when you do not do it yourself. It's pretty simple actually, unless you support hypocrisy, and having those who tell you how to live, live the high life, while you're scaling back on everything, living life off the grid.
P.S. You need to try to use some form of logic... | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZFlUU2JydHYwREFHOXBPaG5MNGxqTklzN3Q1OUdzak1UUUNsSWFzNHA1VG9Mdm1NMEJFTElkXzdSbEVGNml0MlJTRG9zWFNnZ1RpOHY3cmJWWmw0Y2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTlZaUXpScEVoeUNfZ1A2WHJUanQyYnRoQngxMEhLaUVfOEd2alQtR2hOMDMySU5SR3UxWjJFRkJ6Y09RVk9wSVpLdjM1NHQwdk9zNExEM2hSdVkyMTMwektGZ3BDcmszSVBQamktLVQtclA0ellTeVhnX2k0dFpZZUV4ZUh6OUJOaUVuUUdvOC1rR1ZVN2RwckRucUF5aUJlb19MWVdycllxSHJ0LU5fbFpIa00wX0V1REpRcXZ6WWRHNW56MGNqX3ptVTlIYThnUlJxSGg1aUlVRlJtUT09 |
You're ruining a perfectly good reddit meme... | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUT2twejdNMHpJYkl4alFJWmtwQnNTUWY0dkRvYS1WNG1XaFV1RnotRm5MNHA5MURoM25fWkJ6ZjZvTHZaUmRoSmlEQ3dGa1U4ejRYMXg0SWZ4bHZiQmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzODF2cXNYVkMxal95M25SdklmTEgxdlJmN2JlR0tDdTBnMC1mbGQ4NXVScWZpM0ZTZW56Y1BhYTJaTm9BdUVHdWhUYXFuaFJySmdhbHFkX2lLODc3SFA4UEEwMER4cTFNZ0J0LXdubTFXNFVEWWt6eEg3YjQwNWw0NFFuMXNSN2ZvZVJRX0tieG4yTWtaMENsdW5pRnNWaWVZUDctQ0ppVmZkS0N6UFR1TW5FYzd3NGV5TzlXc1ExTU9HenVCVk4xVXBIWmViMjZYbHZZOHpBOWNqR0pGQT09 |
Obviously | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSnN5NG90YWg5M3BvVjUyTHNKaHo2enBIWmtNT2NsUkxrd1d4WVVfdnV5M19xT0JVRHlfVmpfYi00VHdXUy1zbFZKdDYzVmJEbUFhOW5PN29WdENZX0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMk8xVjNzOU9rVEVYT0NoamlZQWVmTFdzek56bUY4UGZabWNjOVdJUDNqMFA0YUY0TjlKYXJVa2NodHNTSjh2dWgyZHQ0SGtOWnROd08zOThjdXJzUnA0WUpacUJrUkpIcUExUWxoZWtpVkNybjJjTDg5b1JwZWNPaGlZYkh4UWZpSEF1WU1IMFgtY3lwUmwyaWdFRnM5SjNqNDU4b25UOGZOUERtbEFob0tvcmNEMzBCSE1BakNOUkg1TTRvSzZiaVhOa2REVHZfNEE4M1RJQUZPVW1TUT09 |
You're just the gift that keeps giving, aren't you? A wealth of simplicity. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUaDRhMFVXcXhKQXFmb1VmazFqOUxTZXhpTEprMWQ2SkdFNWJtNWhxMERhVGd1MUlEYldieXlGV0xlSkV6c2xGTFdXZ0xuc3VIZjJIUmNvelc5T3FKWXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRldObGN6UGNWOXl0VU9PNk96LWdGLWNRVzNFUFdpRmZ6bWQzSEpBOWZWMWJNUEtVcmtXcmp0X1drUC1fZ1BtR1k1b3ZESS1KMjVFM3pnZG85cG94WlBWZXNkODFhSHY0M0pyVmVLYlU3YWJkT0xlVmZiZ21QQ1dORHZFRTl5SEZuMFJSM3QwQm81MURxa1JJUnZuZDdWWG5HZ1hLTU1IYWcxcEtfVzlKMURqbV93eFpJMzRHQ0s5MncyekVJT2VRQ2NlSW85S2RFRFVaa3k2OHlnaG90Zz09 |
Well the article does say that his gas bill is $1000 a month. I would hardly consider natural gas to be "green" energy, nor jet fuel to be particularly environmentally sound, unless these are blatantly false accusations. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUUEcyaVVzbjJoMHc1TTc4czZEYmNuNDU0SGVLeUZ6d3E5QTlxbHVfY3JNZUVFT1pMblJjYjQxRHpBamtpTzUxLXh3bHlWb2pZMktMU0d0MUZkV2pWS0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSXRRNThmNTY1TWJYMVh2ZUxJQlk2ODBROWE5QTVBVEJsTHNRbHZBVk5TVklzc2huYjlfTjhybVFlMzNJTDhabXVROGRGSDkzVUpZZGRmaThycTQyOHE5eF94WG5mQ3Z3TFVhVWJ0Qmk0am5QRXhBOWtoOXJ2SmFENWYxVmhCMTdqeDdBNzlqOUd6QVV3dFRKc2FyaXhEaW9Vcms3WUhpVW5HZUFPMUlnYmZaUFZ4SGR5eEpJVWxxdGlURktDU0VHVGw5MXpDdm5zdDN1ZVBIbjY3aXZRZz09 |
Well, the "article" provides no links or sources. The only one I know to be true, is falsely reported in the article. So, that's all I have to go on. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUNW9mZGw2S0lTSFJRVnlyc3FleGVwRlNVeUVwd2lseVZXTk1ldGhjWHg5enl1VEo0QXktWEJheTNVNjZpU2hrYnI2bmNPVlQwY3RaVXkxNjFpTWtiTFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzYUdjOXBaMVBRQzVMNlNZVEticGViT0ZLc0dMMEgxSDBTbnYxb2tvc2wyb0RucnI4MHpFaU51bWdWRlFlX1ozWjlPNmtEMXZaaHBKb29SQWpKdjlVU0tKTkcwamt1U2hxcmJPenpiUmhCRFgzUzNjLUIzVEEzVldMRUt1NS1lYlBmdk9ZbjR3RVQ0UF9ibXNldWZlYU5fUzhiUXgxZWJ3eUpMZEJGdmVSZk1lZFpCWFRsZ1FpSDdRUXd4TFdkQnR6MWVjc2FzVmJ2Q21UX0tCRWo3V0p1Zz09 |
Pfft, I might as well go punch a rubber wall.
This 'practice what you preach' shit is so deeply ingrained in you that you don't even question the logic behind it, and yet you accuse me of being illogical?
Some things are gray, you know. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUb3Jpcmh1ajV3ZEFUTWtWTmlDVmNMdVNoTW5uekR4SnJSTFF2dHVHNXFHcF9NNUVMdHZUd1dadXFBOUVwY1ZPcDFsaEJTRGRlMUxieG9UZkFsdEYzVlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQlBDcTBLajNkamRYb0JpQTF2R3NiakQ4SW13cThxc1h6UHZneEFGbW42aHM5c21WOVBvdEZ5V3F6N2t2NVRSSmtIUERyenRGNlk3S2VIVWpRUzVJcEU5Q1FJVU15UjVpcWdhcWVpLTdVZWI4NlJwYU5PNjVSR3ZGWU1vRk41NGR4a3FYZDR5Q1ByenIxeHJFTzlFZFltSEJOYWdDR2thZ3JjcjNFSEFCdEZMLWpuLUE1RG9hclVIVUQ2VkRrU001dWd3VzloQWd2eVBqby0tM1M5TlpnQT09 |
Keep reading my previous post until you understand the analogies in it, or go punch rubber walls, either way, I will live my life how I choose:D | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZU5VaVh3cHEzbVlEMjAzM2tTODFtTU5yb0tFaHlZTElfWmtOeDdreWNCbHJiZWJqQXN3Q08tb1RkY19SZG9vZkR5UkdiTVNXcGZZWVVMSGFRd1BqVkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQkV1V21UaVRscGEyN3lUWHVPZWJ0cHFBNWp1a2tMV3VXSG92ZGFna2VCNXlNaS1Yd3VXcDNHS2FodVNrNDJ1emw4aTdKX0NwS242UzVOQ1Fsc0pYeGNBQWF5UjhjTFV6YUdVWWN2QXV1TnRVQlROd2dTeUU5RFdqdXkySnp3RmJmZ29uLTFISmJjRGF0QTNaUXVIbkVoNVBxMHpPTmZPdHpnUjVIUFBvN1FtX18xdjVqSm1ITWk3WElNcDAxWkdYUVRMTDQxaUN1bzU4Tk03NTJUZHdsdz09 |
Except the doctor's advice only affects you. The argument against hypocrisy in this case is that these celebrities are telling you to do something to save _everyone_, while not doing it themselves. They're asking you to sacrifice while continuing to consume 80000 times (warning: made up number) what the average Somali would. So in the end, it's fallacious to say that they're wrong, but one can be forgiven for thinking that if Al Gore, the godfather of global warming, thinks it's okay for one person (himself) to creates such a massive footprint, then man-made global warming might not be that big of a deal. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVURmhMUmstR0NPV1lyMGxiR1ExUlJ0aXc3VUlrQ0pQVjc5N3Jaa2lOVTZqUHVVSXRLcXd4TVJkYkFxOWRFemkzWm5BLXZLdEtuNlNoYmh1UTVsX3Zzanc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRTIzT25GVUppMlZQVkFtRFg5WUVhTjJDUGpUbHZsLXFoV01oZmZncXV4WDcyUjczaTZUazUxdV9PcW1iVDFyTVRYQWJlVUtybHh3dC1Nc28zc1lmRVg5TWdPMzB2U3NiUHV6bUNtaHVaS2t2dnBhUjNKQjZuR1hHT2FwU0NyNE1mUmdacjZhQlpVeEpTc3lLWHdHVVAzZnFzcG16Sy1POGFIS2JGV1NabXdXMzAyZWs2Zk5CczExYzNnUU5JV3hfS3BuZlpmdXh6TTRnRnJzQndKVDVCUT09 |
Can you give me your source then? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUS3hBYXg3U1RiUlowU3BCYVBsXzA5bm0xd3VrZmNhcGZhZVV5R2ticm04YU5ueTJrZThWVXZWRnEtODVlV1JBdmVka0FucTZrdVJtS1RMbGtGZURLZ0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTTFYeVF3dHpWazN4WDFXRlhrQnAwX3ZQMnNhU3BYSXBqWGN0Sk5QdE5hOTZzZ0lIOE9qTDlDSE5Wd01XY2FjRGhnck5oQWt2SWJETmtoaTA4VDVSYjVFT2pJTlFtZkxSWlU0ckRUaXMtNklVV1N2bjc3d1ZzN0F5R2RkSzhxa253dEFoaDN4SzRpZl9GVS1Ram5na2lNQ080RFZQWVlVaHZRMXR4dW5HZDNoTko2cXpGaFgtcVkwUHNUSlJ6aWs0VWpVV2R1NFdDN0lUM1dWNWJSVjZBUT09 |
Some of the criticisms in the article are for moving a lot of equipment (and people) around as part of a traveling show. This is an essential part of their business and should not be counted as a fault. Is it United Van Lines' fault that they keep driving around big trucks loaded with furniture? No, it's their *job.* | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQmg4cVdpTldVNW1HYktzT1FybnJ0dm1CQlRFM1F0U2p6OVROU2pvektPMm5CdWVXMFByNzRXRUFvSUUtVmlmOWZDaldlUi1acnQ2d25mMGtNWVNfMnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRGxJT2VfbW1WRTFzaU12LS1fTFZSZmxoVkNmOUwzVlBYMEJWcnROSy1YX2JmdVktbGtnRG1lNi1Zd3lmMlZUVFBiM2FueDk0MlUzb250MGV0MUZFcXFVa0lOM1gwd2xfQjNfc2xfU0phcEJHUHA0anRxcEZTYWxVTmZRQjBvUUlUODU2YmFsVl9DdERTMlEtMHZfR2cxTFAwOVJlellzdG9Ra2lvZnhzejFxTWw4WERZdFpJOFpvbUVUUTg5c3RtX2xGa2ZqQmVCV00wTVFBZ2dpM09TZz09 |
My understanding is that virtually no one is finding their own offsets, they are buying them through third parties acting as middlemen. It would probably take more carbon emissions (and money) to investigate in person whether or not your offset dollars are going to marginal investments that wouldn't have been made.
*Presumably if capital was going to go into the project in the first place those investors feel it is a worthwhile investment and would spend their capital in another similar project*
Interesting thought, but it still doesn't get at the argument that there is no offset unless an investment somewhere was marginal in the first place. If the economic investors (as opposed to offset suckers) would've invested anyway in a second project, there still is no offset since that investment would have taken place in the absence of an offset payment anyway.
Basically you need to show that the risk adusted return in the absence of carbon offset money is less than another investment that they would have made, but those offset dollars were enough to put the green project over the edge and make it the investment that is made. Anything else is fraud. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUV3ZkV242MWtSc1Q4TldOcjBhZjlscVFVeHdMM0d5RzBFckxVNld3cTBNT1dCUTQ2YUlUYW5RQTJCZWdaWTRxRGFQdkJZVWRCT19FSlRkY1hhTm43RlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzLWZNMXVXaTAwNFQ3alFDaTRQUG5TbjV6enZ3THAyVlhfSHhDU0xYandwMnpiMUI1S1lRWkgycEY4bF81dU9IS1llaGFabnB1UHdBYVlfdVUzdW9LLXJGdTJQWnNFUWlBLTExSUtqX0NhQVlOc3Q4ZVJWeGQ4NDItYktNdzc4YUhlM3hQRGRnU1V6RWM1enpDNGRTSnpramVTajRMUEhkQ3BDVVgwLUxKUjlPem1KOGoyRnJiUWJZNjVTRHdtZWk5dXZ2VzJpUUQ5WUM1SXYxT0lHQlhBQT09 |
Just google it. The information is readily available. Gore converted his home to all green energy a couple of years ago after criticism. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUT09jemxUVldCbGtpYm1lbFZkb1FOTFVkOUF2ZEpXM3c0R3EwWUIzeXpGc0pBUktRRkFwUUdnV2VfeDEyNFZrSW5pR0JLNlBvQUlBMU1JdmQyN3pGYnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzU2QtN2tldlY0UmxPcXFwSFdva2NjYUJHMTkzMTVBUGlXcnBoQlpQS0I1clRlc1UwZ2pqcXF0d0dnWFdpcDJjalRtSThvYUFJOHZLTnVPUWlxWjZlRUVVSnRVM2tUQlAwRWJnWU42ZWljSUtKdnpJOFQtZ3NlZmI1Wk9SVmg5UTZxaFNfcUlYQndEbnp0UDF6WjhSNENqMGxhT01BRE5HdF83RHYxZjg5bERCbXZLMlEzbE91Z3JESV94ZFdneXZKQktIVWU5TldJYXh3UmRvaFpvT0FTUT09 |
Under feudalism the warrior nobility would get the jets and limos.
Under market capitalism the rich get the jets and limos.
Surely you don't think regular people get jets and limos today? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUd2dJcm5ETGJKWWFLMlFiNGJBYkFsSGxBSFNtWG1RZ3J6bzhyRFNlal9wVFJDcmpjZUgwT0sxTXFTenNOaVRHMlNhTE51NE1MNHFGZnFmUTBWcWFENnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzajZfOEsxRXhSeDIxX3YxWDN6NGwtN1RSRnRvU0hBeDN3OVFCSDl3OUp3ajdPTXQ5V2l1SmVBSmN3TV9QTlNHRWttN0dELUxuMl9iYmdGUy1zc3BSbDY1S0lRM3l5NW5LYlZJbmg2cjdLSWM1dUYzWENvRGgzdjB6QWZrbmVuYWhiWVdmc0l5aUdWVHZKVHp6bmJkdWotMHdTSmZZLTBMcGttM3Nfc0NPTUd2NEFybU5HXzNYVXFQenRLWGVIMFBkMExXejNnN3R5dmprbHB1Zm9FWEJCUT09 |
[Here's](http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/gore.home.ap/index.html) CNN's article on it. It says that Gore made his home more energy efficient, and is on his way to become 100% energy efficient. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUb2NRYzJFb1dCNGI3WjdFYklmUmpNdnA2R1UyZEpEREdOb2lid00zcUlsYmJfWk1oQzZsX3MzUEYwa2FCd29rOUpidkhaTDI0cmVaWlR1ekRhQ2M4MkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzM1MtUjRMRWRRdDVmQVpuRHVZcEdBd19sRk1mNElTdHZuSElhdUhLYTl6SVdiLWtmZVlQMmJldnFiYmUza3JGcmZ3clhLQWpvaWZzQzlROF9RU0FOSlBNN3VlY0xXQUhfcHJWV0h0R1Vndjl3cnFJMHZyRUZsUUdwT1B3LWV3ZndxV2N5Nm54Y2VmNUV1aUlfMzlkTHQzWWszNndyZFBMbkdteTdVMzJHMzNvb3FkNnY0VkF1OWU3djJCbEhsZTN4RjZ1M3V6M2hyMm9iRnVFSGtwUlBsdz09 |
I'm not sure I understand what you're asking me to do, since there are zero analogies in your previous post. Everything you say pertains to preaching in general, or to the issue of environmentalism specifically.
*shrug* | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSHkwRThMZXVwSmtGa0JDQ2xpSGxCTzFvYjhMQWM4c1N1SWFZMnNqNEZWUDNNZy0xX0lobGkzdS1wU1VRUTdXRlg1TkF0RDVtejdEQm8wN0FZUnR1VGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzd2l6QVhmRFo3RHBtRVo1aUl2OEZIVG5RdGR1ak9pV1ZwaXJkS1ZRTTktSXNIZ240ejQ2ZC1ZWm1rR04tLXN1Z281bVFxSEV6TEJCNERkaTVKT0FZSEZXNHF4Q1pPc1dIODJicUl1V2pkald3Ymx5RFN4cWxOLTJKQUF5Y0dhM2ZSMVJ0VnM1a3JFNzFJRjNWTDdOS2dpV1FPYVhEX3czbHdKZGt4akNFRERlci1jelFxbV9rVk4xOURzOFBKWEtQN1JkMC00SnJVOEROeTAwSERscG9iUT09 |
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/8163-debunking-the-bunk-the-truth-about-al-gore-s-lifestyle
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/26/gore-responds-to-drudge/
I don't feel like sifting through the endless "attack the messenger" shit on the internet - like above post, for instance. Here's a couple of blogs - not legitimate sources, I know. But, again, I don't want to sift through the idiots. Not worth my time. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUazFLX2RzQmZIUnc5OTR4Wm12Qm1BdXdDbXFWUzB6Y2x1cHY0M0hfVFh2NHZOdGFzQ3Q0YmtDQjBQRnhLV0lkS1lmM0VlOHVkV0ZyYVloZHRkZ2RINkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZFplVEpfRTNrR3R2cGJhLWdLRTR3QjBuU2E2NVNfb2hGTnhMc3AzQ1FKUG10RjlVOXZDUHVIVHVFTXdtRmhxa29NS18zM1hibXRHLXRqWjNFRXAwaV9FQjd2RUxkWk1vWEtPQ3psT1d0RnRBekU4b25VYzFTZjFQZl9KVEx5czQ3NVlRTWt1REl4VFJndWthQzBNQ2R6eU9sd2V1Y3doendHZGRXWWJ0RlFTRUxvLU8yVnc4bFRhbjdGblh2VXFKT295N2xHdEM2VW8tY3JqTEU4aS1Ydz09 |
> Surely you don't think regular people get jets and limos today?
Yes, I do. Granted, not often, but I've gotten to fly before, and I suspect you have too.
And while we have odd tastes in the shapes of them, I own a "limo" (car). We own many, even many of the poorest among us.
>Under feudalism the warrior nobility would get the jets and limos.
>Under market capitalism the rich get the jets and limos.
Ever wonder why the warriors were warriors back then? Because if you were rich enough, you fed your young sons plenty of protein, and they didn't grow up sickly and stunted, they were strong enough to carry swords.
Some things have changed, but they're trying to change them back. Back then, we had prophecies of how hedonistic and sinful behavior would cause doomsday in 100 years, and unless people lived ascetic lives the fate was unavoidable. Now, we have computer models of how wasteful and immoral behavior could cause global warming in 100 years, and unless people live ascetic lives the fate will be unavoidable. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWFNDM3hpV1haWURhNzlOT1h6V2N4Q3RlX245YUZSNUtiUFBJRUtTQWI0U0FPQTFheUh5RURrMUI5ZEg3QjV5QjByS2RhcHR4RVpyRWFYT3c1a2tma0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzM0JyRnR1MThYcE5SX2NucDBLdE1EOVZ4VndlcVBEdUdLMkNud3FsTDJwU0FxbDlRejY3ZjRtSjlkUjZjNjgwM0E3VjZMTlllZVRSajJUM0g3bXJMU3hBMWZxSjZoU0VURFVCVjkxTWpHZkozcUZWOHdQYzJuY2RFSHZQbVV4NVp2YzYxSWJKNmFQbERqZW85NlhlZmRFNlkwUUNrUzhscHJraUo3YVNBYVA4d2d1cW81V19aT1k1djdNeWp1QXg1ZkZTQk5sQVpCSGZydVlOZjEwcllydz09 |
Chill dude, I just posted an article that corroborates your argument, I'm not attacking you. Seriously, you can't have a calm discussion on this stupid site. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUT1RlU0p2RDNsdHZyWWtsVVgtOU5SeG9INkdmS2NqOFNfVENxdGVPVmpJQXBpRXlGTE9mZHpndUhqZUNRbk5TTUxDR2t4VGhhSUFpazZxS0hHa05JQmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcVFTdkc3MUVRSHdhNVdRbVI0SE5BdWVuWEhhcHZQZE4yZHR5dWVrLXBrUDVRc3QzZmdjRDhzQnhuT29UWnhSM2YyS0xpLVRWNnBVcXg5MlMxYzJNMlpCdzRObHg4VVM3dWFmb3EyUEx4b0hqQ3ZwbnpzUURCazl0TzFXOE1MZ3JrM2dEcmMzTEFuYko3WXFIQ1RhcHo3X1Zod0dUQ0dNTEtUUUx5UWVVZV9tcFBmckZvWEFaeW5MeDc0cUNXcFNTRXZmUlVha1dxRVFMaXZPUldRNmVJUT09 |
I wasn't getting excited. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdDkxS19sdlhIT2NxcjM2b2dhSU1JQkxWZHhsTWgxeHBhX1lOckc2cDNFUXJ2X25kMTJndnBEY2pEOFN3eHlGQkJLUkhGcnIzYTNRMDY0Z21rY1dtbUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRGE5dWJzNkhmaEpFcXd3TTlpZTI2MjJfbVpnVGs4R1FHbGt1b2tTTVlZT2poUUw0UDZXc1M0dlZuZXFTQjBKeFRqTGh6elBXUEg4U3pmVVJfQ29xaEJwajItNHNJUndOOGJLN3h5OUgxZURSeHRXRU5PaC15ZGNFN1hleEVMZVdfNzVIQkU5VVNpaFZTb1VOUUNoVFI1OGlKb1FMQTRkV1l1bUZNcUo0ZVFIRUVpYjZzVzZZdTFSMnBudlBsZGEtczdzVmxKazN5RWtoTXlpc19CcHU1QT09 |
Isn't it tragically unproductive, petty, and misguided to label those entertainers who have significant resources and popularity as hypocrites because they speak out on the environment? This is not equivalent to a child-abuser speaking out against child abuse and, ghaitched, I suspect you know that. Take your bullshit elsewhere. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSVhOZGZOWmdrcGVIcFM3UXlpXzN5VlBPNW9kREFlaXZoek5NaGUwRWkzX1JNbEgxVnk1UFFnU1pHMy1pNVFLd0xZXzllVzVHYWI3eENORFgyQTVMZVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQWNnUEZpZFNCNXZfWURhTkNLT2xQTHNjSmdxTFB3eXctTVJUWHZ0V2NNR01mLTk4NDlTN3otaUFmSTdaV3llb1NkSi1iU3NPZmtUeXBhUmU2WmtHT21VT1JTUXhDWWF6UnRVeUVDNTY2WFhmS3oxSHNlNE9KWE15VWI0cUtvblZ0MXZfYkJKaFNBcHBDZW9NUkMxbGcya2o2eWRsdzlmMmhWTVI4Q09hZnFoZkFxdkViMjhfUXlDczBfXzZJNDFSTW9XV0p2ZXRtVXZoSXFIN2FGNmdXQT09 |
I don't think the argument (at least, mine) is that Al Gore thinks it's okay for him but not for someone else to create a massive footprint. I suspect what Al Gore would say, and what I'd agree with, is that what matters is the net balance of one's effect. So if Al Gore has to jet around the world to raise awareness on a massive scale, that's ok because his positive impact offsets that negative impact by several orders of magnitude.
I think your point here:
> The argument against hypocrisy in this case is that these celebrities are telling you to do something to save everyone, while not doing it themselves.
...sums up the difference between our perspectives. I don't think that Al Gore is telling us to recycle and bike to work. I think Al Gore is telling us to do our part for the environment. Now, if recycling and biking to work is the only thing in your capacity to do, then great. But if you can do more, then that's better. If all of your energy is spent on raising awareness on a massive scale but you don't have the time to do your recycling or bike to work, I don't think you should be faulted for that. In fact, I would much *rather* have Al Gore skimp on recycling and emit carbon jetting around the planet doing what he's doing than have him spend his time at home making sure he lives an eco-friendly lifestyle. What he's doing makes a much bigger difference in the grand scheme of things. But your mileage may vary.
Edit: and as for the doctor analogy, you raise a good point. But all you have to do is imagine that your doctor had said "if you don't exercise and eat well, you'll die earlier, imposing a cost on your family and society." Hypocritical? Perhaps. But I'd *still* want the doctor telling me that if that would help motivate me, whether or not they follow their own advice. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUaEF5Q3l6amwtMnRZU0x4UC1UYU1TU0pES0x3c0h6ZjVjdWsxT1dSeWNoazhrdkcwMGZsNmc0OU9MaEVXdFBtbUhfQmlrSHpLeVlRcmc2aHEtR3NVeVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWk5NZmJQOV9vYVVHek03SU05eVhTclVvb3A3V3JONU55UXNIR3FNNTllUVZ4LU4tdWhKRW90b1FLQk9vQjhXM0FyaUdMNEFVTVVJWURPTHdFZG4wc0Fqcl9JQUI3YXJTY1ZtRDJ0eWJLZzFONlRGYk9HVVpOaE5ZbXh6UHpSem9tNXRucDdqeFA2NldOQ2NzbWpxRWtwclFCZFF6RW9lSHZhZ0lpM2Y0dVdMM09vdWZfSlBnb0UtWVVnX1RGRXVOVm9WNUc4eFh5SDFycGo0cFFVZXQwZz09 |
Here's the analogies from a previous post, "In essence, do not tell someone how you think they should live their life, when you do not do it yourself. It's pretty simple actually, unless you support hypocrisy, and having those who tell you how to live, live the high life, while you're scaling back on everything, living life off the grid." | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUa1pBLUNzU25NWWJqYVVyNzZiemVLbGNteVhBODJGRDZDcHhwMzhZcFdnNkEwa0JRSXNYazFmWDlJRFV5YjlPUzJYei1WaGdKbHRWOFpwT0JRY2FXamc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzX09yYTdhZmdZN3ptMEZfRENEcWFZVUtSbEJzdzlRbnVwMkd2bENQb05ibThJRC1EanhGeS01SkVicUUtLThrS2NKYnJEZHVnNHZoQ2Zwc3VKbnc3MGYzX05SN1lQbjhETE9RVmd3YTRNUGpaWTBSM2M5bkJSUUdfREdMRndld2s0MDN1VXlRbTdpbkN6UDZQR2dmaUx1V05WUGdvVVVldGNZVGRLVGx2QjBOaVNQZ2hFTDU5eXJPQTgyRldDdGxSTHdfZ1gxeW9tSDNLZW1MYjZtenN6Zz09 |
That's a generalization, not an analogy. It's like the relationship between "do not do physical harm to others" and "do not hit others in the face with a baseball bat" - One follows from the other, and the two are not analogous.
Anyway, it's not important. Just try to steer clear of words you don't understand, especially if you're going to use them as part of a personal insult :) | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUaFFkU2oxQXNiR2pCeGN6V3NTRUhtVEFKcUt4SmkwSkZUczBBaHRFNWNXb1Q2cVJUV3UzTVlYSGwtUUE4bVJWOGNfbUhHRDVkNVl3c2NfXzlaM2ZMWEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzblEyV1FEMXh4RDFsSjBsUFh5cGNJdUhzMWxwR3pzZ2dTM3NzeDllY3dXczNSei1FYkFHYVdwYm0zNi00cDdpazk2cnJ4WUtTOVoxM0syc3VpSU5ycFpzUEo2NjFUQ1k1STBGOGNuNlJXdUxCZDBFdEFKYVN0QTNQQTJlSzRnYktyUDNqMTA5VWVZdDJ5Q2d0dkptZ0JZdGpla1Y2WjVqbVN1TWVIY1BIZ1dNdGJfbXVKRnR4cXNKbVJTYmpLOXQ0WV9GZWJQNXVtYnF0V1RqUExFdnFhQT09 |
Absolutely wrong, _if_ the system is run correctly. The way I understand it, a (good) cap-and-trade system works like this:
1. Decide on what a "safe" level of emissions is, _even if it's below current levels._ (Obviously it will be.)
2. Divide that amount up, somehow (not sure how—this step needs work I admit), roughly equally among all the emitters.
3. Those who can emit less _than their share of the ideal number of emissions_ can sell credits to those who emit more.
4. In the short term, while carbon-free technologies ramp up, the government can sell extra temporary credits to the heavy polluters—in effect, a carbon tax—with the understanding that the amount of extra credits is going to go down and be zero by, say, 2025. So we set some emissions target for 2025, "cap" it there, then sell extra credits and use that money to fund research or cut taxes elsewhere.
Or you could set a moving cap, which works essentially the same way but distributes money essentially the same way. My point is, for a C&R system to work the cap has to be set at a level that is actually low enough to make a difference. If we decide we need to emit no more than, say, 1 gigaton of CO2/yr, we set the cap there, or say it will be there at some point in the future, put that into law and make sure it gets stuck to. Then, in theory you will always meet your targets, even if you don't ever exceed them. So, set your targets (low/high—low emissions/high reduction).
EDIT: I'll leave this because I think it's a decent argument for cap-and trade and how it's _different from_ offsetting. I've been convinced that plain vanilla offsetting is a bad idea, though—see below. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQ01KNEczeFoyQzk5QzZuc3VWVERKRW1yWm8wYWJmaWl0SGEyT1p4S0JSUTltcjE4cjVXOFREREpCaFMxaE04ejQtYW1JemFXODhKb25YUFA3dGN4cWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzd2xTOHJYb09VX1FTbmgtbTFSZHRYcF9GTldxdzJ3RTZvZzJ5WWRTUi1veUNRc1VsSG9SNl9YVXRxSWh2TENkLWlPNGtIcTY3Mmh5NFhzVG1JZG1WcFlaY05QOHhVN1o4eEpWOW5USktiaDhuOWx0VXZabGhDZG4wdWEyYlJJTWotQnduWGVkUjYteWV2Qk1oX1dmTEVNMjRWSWRRTl84VkxTQ1NDaDN3VFJTZEYxUjNLVXY5NjZ4TWluR1owWU9EZjE3LW1CLU5PUkZkWF9OWWMyOTl4QT09 |
She isn't going to stop touring, but she could donate money to people genuinely working to reduce emissions. She could try to reduce the amount of stuff she takes with her on tour. Gore can get solar panels, wind turbines etc. (which I think he has). They don't have to shut up, nor do they have to cut back on what they have and do. They're rich enough to have a high-energy-use lifestyle without emitting huge amounts of carbon, and they can make a huge difference because more people will listen to them if they do that, _and_ they have enough money to significantly spur the development of alternative energy _by themselves._ If Al Gore wants to purchase a 100kW solar system to power his home, and is willing to pay more for, say, high-efficiency sells, or a first run of thin-film cells that eventually will become really cheap, or whatever, you can bet that will make a difference in how fast those things get developed. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUbEVwTFp3c3lOMkJuUHhqZzRyRHZ4dnVwOC1YWlhWTkppWmVDdVlBU2F6UWFFRzNSaGluWnNNblJranRqRllteXFlZDVGYURtaFFuZ25qdUx0Z2duamc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzOGxlU1ljclNzVUVTZ1ZRd2IwU0JEMzJsaTEyU09WZXhDRzlFblFaZGIxUDVvUVJzQ25SdkdfN0VfNkwwOVdiZEY0UFFVX2ZiZmU5czRnVnhPQkdHTjBqc0hXU25GUlhEeEhOckwzZkNlWHlRb2tXaGx3bFFtR1RrZXlrT2RmRzI3SXpYSW93WDdSNU01YlItTi1CQzBTSW1fLXhpZ2ZoMmotLVRsd1hmQTQyY3ZqcVZOUnREanFMZF94LVZKXzVZUmJvQTFoMmhlcjFJQ2pxUGtSNFVQQT09 |
Thanks for the lecture on cap and trade.
Unfortunately we were discussing carbon offsets, not carbon cap and trade. There is a world of difference.
It is as if I said that water is odorless, and you said, "absolutely wrong, skunks are black and white". | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSXJvRHo0QzRBSXUtanl4Snd4R3l2UzdtellQUXVnUFRKTG1BNW91TXdVNDVKb3Q3VXN0eUtzSkdmY0k3VE9wVUJ1TDhIcjZSYWNJZ1BOQm0yRmRoOXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzeFY0UkxzUENkQnBwV3R5WlVwbFZadlZLbVU0ZGhfeGh2aTJZYUtVYTNUM3ZwWnpTaUdBcXliOWFtajBTNzhDbXROSkE3MndhMmd3VExvcGQ4RXlESnA2cURVOUpmaVFGNk96SEE4TVczOXNWN0VTeHBqdVh5R2ExS1d6UGplZVFuNUJYa3ZsbHBLOGExVVkxYkV5WEtFRUFsUHBiV0E5LUhvU3V1eFRPUVpoOXJfb1NhTVNZQlhNX1Y5cF93VE84SG1mNGRjbmZWNkNrQ1dPNHNiMGpBQT09 |
FTR... I've been reading that if you drink too much of that koolaid that it can actually cause permanent brain damage.
Hopefully it's not too late for you. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUS0p3cXlyYWkyNzRWNFVBTzE5UjA3UGNrU19wanZWVEdFOXpLUHFpWDNUNUlxblBfMWY4LTFMdWdqZnB0SHdHXzlGaHZfUWZsNkI5SUt2RHlwSmRGUFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVUZaY3ctLUdSOWNybi03c1VscENnRm9ETllyTkxuQ1hHbnM2OWZxWDF1cnBMWXRLc2FmQUNMcW13OU1uSC1KaGFVbUNIMDl2RVNhUmVQTXhFcWFOamd3ZGc4VHpaQTdpM29lWWJRNzE5UUxBM0g3MmxfYVBQbU5FMFdMTGhfaGZlNzR3UWZXMElHY1lURzNQVFNIY0xkR2htR1ZZMnlmX21DUkxPRkc0eE91V29TSXBfcDZ4T1NkOEp3bzBYcEgwblMzMWExaUlIcHh1VWRSMkwyZG4tQT09 |
That's weird. I've been reading that you're a retard. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUazJmRW5ud2pySHlxZDhhMjUxTHZWSHFkUFFQX2d3aWY5WlBYWWlPR0VvQmtUZWR2bGdBVXBjMUx6aTJWaGg1aEd3cGx4MmdrS2VrLWdBZ3QwdFBfUlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcTF0UjVWdGRhY3NOb1JNQkkzM0lHak55T2VyOTk2dVFEMm5QWHZZU3U3M0NWWlNqaVlJaC1aMDdaZkFtTDZsbEh5RVN3aUowVlNkZmRTdjdiSGN6QVFiQkI5aVhtS1VfZmQyRU1jcFU4NGtiVkEzMU9IRXpBZEd1N3l3Snk5V0pqMmJmbHM4T0pxdTJSdmtLRE5CeGFHV1VIZmxVc3o3S0xlYVRlVTd1M0ZVbENleEdRM2tFMS0yZWdEMGdEa0NxQXZUNUdNRXdZQ3NmdVRGUGpMaVQwdz09 |
Hmm... Okay, you're right, I was replying to the wrong thing. Let's see, though, if I can say anything relevant about offsets.
Well, I wrote a big long thing and then sorta saw your point. If the plant was going to be built anyway, you could say it was going to offset the emissions of the company that built it. Then to "double-sell" that emissions reduction is fraud, because now the company just has to buy fossil fuel power and nothing _new_ is done.
So, is there any way of running a "carbon offset" program that doesn't suffer from that weakness?
In your opinion, does cap-and-trade offer a similar but better solution under a different name?
What about simply limiting emissions, or a carbon tax? Efficiency mandates?
I'm genuinely interested in what other people think—I don't want to just get caught up in what I think are the best solutions without some discussion. I'm also simply not sure. Discuss? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSmZqSnUzSG50Wi1iLUN4dmQxQWxyd0ppY2dpZGwzYWlPYkVfdFhYTFB2c0hLWjk0Z1ctSV91bU1uZlN5TDRIWl9OXzlFRGtObzl5cWE1ZHhfYmVmWUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNDh2OTMySEQzWVBXdzBVQTBQeTJhaU1DQXpPWFFkamdwZUFMaFhfOWJlTDY1Y0NPQ21EdGN1SERiNFRva21OdXViWS1uTjBvMm5VOTFMNDA1aUt5OFhBUUVVNE1ldFNIcDUyQUxYWmdoTGRMd004Q1ZDWlRSMWg4SXlvaUVxLXVvS19uZnpQNjZyQi1KVDNQd2dCZjNuQ0d6MHl3X003Nm9faklYdTc4WndzZjdNQ1ducUsxQUxicGlpcXlCMFozM2ROckhaRWM2RFZwNnBoMHZsZmVaUT09 |
I see and understand your point. But in the end politics is really about perceived credibility. What I'm trying to elucidate is that by living such a lavish and wasteful lifestyle, he's distancing himself from the ideal that he's preaching. I disagree that him going around the world informing people absolves him from making the changes that are required in his own lifestyle. By not changing his lifestyle, it reinforces the idea that the rich are insulated from the normal rules of society. It makes me think of perhaps the state of things to come, where the rich will have the privilege of polluting while the burden of conservation falls disproportionately to the poor.
(It's noteworthy that Al Gore did eventually green up his mansion, but only after some severe criticism.)
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Jesus Christ I know wtf an analogy is. Just because you can't differentiate between the two, and it's drawing a comparison, which I did. I did not generalize either, I was making a point, but you're too fucking stupid to draw a reasonable conclusion, so that's not my problem.
By the time you read this my account will be deleted, by me. Fuck karma and fuck you.
If I want to personally insult you I'll do it.
how does, calling you a fucking pansy ass sound?
I'm so sick of you jackasses, here, who cannot debate crap, so you start to go grammar/definition nazi, because you have nothing intelligent to add. If you cannot reason, use logic, that's not my problem. I know this site is full of people like you, and it pointless for me to come here, being a non-far leftist, but it is a free country. That being said I'm going to do what i do on digg, and that's delete my profile every month, and create a new one. I get sick of assholes like you shadowing me, trying to make your stupid points, and coming up with total bullshit like your last post.
By the time you read this my account will be deleted, by me. Fuck karma and fuck you. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUX2VLNzBVN29zbjZ1MWl3S0cwVXU3LVRyNERmWkZKWGR2QlhCakxPdWVIZUd4aUJhZURobmdvNUNEeUd0eTQ5UUNQZFJHVGFQVzJsWWZHNGFBUk5RNUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzaU5lZ1ZjMlVLZlJzenZGcEoxTmhqWENxWEh3VEN5MWdhTFlpclFxZlJjYXBwbVVwSGxneGhMSjJ2QkFuUkZFZWNzcUt4R3FwVEZkTkpZU1lMaDhVa1ZzdHY2TUQ2RWZVajc4Ul94S0gyaDU5cmFleThxUmRKQS1CQmRmS2RXR3J0a0dZR2NFZDg5VkcwMVEyWXEzZDlsX2ZzMnA0ckdERUREV0tjcHJPS0kwRVdaYlF3Zi1Mb1JQM3AwaGs3RlFra3BKQzk4a2Itekd0VEQ3MDYxR2R4dz09 |
I absolutely agree with you, but my point was that these "hypocrites" are spreading the green word. That's a good thing, and they should be applauded for it regardless of their own eco-habits. Calling them names and attempting to invalidate their efforts by calling attention to their shortcomings is only going to hurt environmentalism.
A professional poker player who has an encyclopedic knowledge of strategy and odds, but who often makes bad calls based on hunches and intuition is no less qualified than his colleagues to teach people about the basics of poker.
(Malevolant: Can guess what that was? :P)
Articles like this one serve no purpose. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUR3NPTGMzWmR5RnpIenktUzNRc1NhdF9YUW9fa2lKVkhJUWs4OGtVZnFqT2NyQkdLVGtlbC1TRV9abmJlbS12Umg4OXYydm44eXdFR3Q4N1h0NGRuMFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWFhreTNXWUEwbkk1Umk3WkNTai0zamJ6N3RKVnlTVThKUGV6TUI2ZmpLS1VNZzJwR0ZhejJDWnItaTEzd2RHbmE0dU5jWEQ2Y3JQNGZCLWdONno3eDI0Z2xibFdQeXlBZ0RzMEJwYWxHTG95b24wa3hqRXRINWEwOGNIRzBacEdfYklDaE00dGN1aUFJZDN3TWt5RFVrX3ZmZm9GbEgtTmprMmFReHpKQVlIOTlpVEtpM2NlT2x6a1gyb3FrR0FxZnZ3UHkxWWxmMkZHUkluTXVvY2pCZz09 |
My little, simple friend, it was YOU who asked me to "understand [your] analogies," derailing the conversation in the process, and forcing me to play the game at your plebeian level.
<puffs on pipe with smug expression>
Logic doesn't enter into it, by the way. If you disagree, explain yourself.
And as for people shadowing you, that's just hilarious. I'm replying to you every time the little envelope at the top of my screen turns orange. That's all :D | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUNXU2NUdEaWtiTFc2aVhEQlNsMTdSR1BZXzAzTURFZWgwSHFzRXFoemQtRHozTlR4MGhhUHJqRXdEOEgzNm5tN0tsdHF0Vm9wM0dZVnk3S1M0RWZrcVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWGNDYmFrUU9qMDNvb2haMXI5a01JZFJDQUZRZ2NxRjZxczZPZW5CTUZ1UUw5RUN6QzRQZDY2djJMTWdFQkFGVFY3MXU3VkpBSENIYkZ3VFBUbGhmS3NyRk9oRElqa0o5UnpNNUptUk5hYVFjUlZ1VE9nR050NXp6c1Y4WTBjLU9NdHJIcXd4S0NxTEs4VUV4eGxmLW9ObUNnTUFBalhfWDNWU1haYlkwclhselAzWjgxb2hzZlgyUzNrendhLTdWT2J5cUpzS1VYUUk2aVk0RGtiQTlEZz09 |
You're right as far as you go. The thing is, they would _do a much better job_ of spreading the word if they practiced what they preach. So yes, in one sense we shouldn't attack them. In another sense, it's overall better for us to prod them to do something, have them actually do it, and then they become more effective. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSUtkOG1BUU93bU5sbnBBOGtXX0NBVWFxZzhLWjBYdDhkV3VTc2RmamVCaDd4MTZER19uN3p6SjNrWlYwNXVyRFgyNEExc3Jpa3BURUpMcVc0V0VPQXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzY0lJV1RUa2RKa2F5THE4cjh0djR2TllJUVdUd3hxTTRrS19PYjRGbmFMZmFTWDlsOVNHRC1sUXBRUDNjQWZzZ2xLUktqOEY3Y1NkQV9scUFHWm82VEJvQzl2THNibHEwcGVoUE1jZ01wT3dvZkV4dGxFMXpYdkF4T0dYQ2FsdXJpU0JCQV91bEM1UkxVNE1EQXlXbDZGM1FENmpWaE5KYklKX283VGxwNC1HdXZHSWhPVWdWeDRlNm9lMTgyZUk1WnVMRXljV3FwQS1mU1d4ZkNoUnpIZz09 |
No question about that :) | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdUJMUFRYVVRUT2IyWENQOFR6ZWJzOENJUDRJMzFqRFBuU2drWFM0ZFJaODB2al9sdGFBUlQzX2k3anA1QTZvYW8tM3l6ZElIZEx4QmY5azZpOUoxMnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcWFzN1BDOVI5OXgzalM3SnRGcXZLV2RjaGRtUWowRXpyUTk3X0JXOHRmUDV0OGRhRXgzbkc3R2tFYXdiaktxaFpLNUtkWF9wWGZIUks3VXFfWXE3WG5zbVJDbVg2cTNvcmpUeXhCTU9nTjY3U1hfejNUbWZqSllqN2xJbUNFWVFQZXkydnR2VWF6eXJRSk9NMXRhYWNqU0FuWU9xTm5zcUNLNXdLRzdMOHJxRTFIbXRNNVZ2Y0ZTX0wwcHA3MTVoUURKeUotUzJqVmNsVXE3aF8zVWt1Zz09 |
Okay then. Great, we agree. Now lets see them do it. :) | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUaDBPb29VY2lWWTFQbTFYSlR4ZllDa2pudkxTTUE3QXF4dG5WN0lOTGlZNmtTZlhxQm5VQXR5TllvaW5ad2locGVrcEZZZ003ZWlnMzVEQlJMa3MwaEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZHUyTEtOOFIyejZVN04wRG1VSGloeDJIMTRYUk5DNXpucXg4SzRhdGlRSWw4VUdQVkEyZ21UV2tMOEVOSXNyZHp5SHItNzJUZ2tMU0JhTkNrRFhQaWJjeDdmbm5temVwWFZVaUFmTzZRTm50b29CakJPTnF1dEQza1k4MXVWajdqdEpRQlYtVTY3bGY1bXluRXU4VVJ0VzItVzJDck90UXNCWllkbWZVUWkxUndWR0JRX0FNWVhSeXZOQjRHeE04aUtVU2NrNFRwN3VjSDZVRUZCaGJfQT09 |
I always like it when someone uses incorrect grammar to call someone else a retard. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUemliampuR1duMjNJLXRvOW9wcVN2bElWeUIxalBBZ2VPU09pVFVLQzYzUkhaU05rbDJ0dzZzaVdaWEZKRDdJYmI0SmVacVpNaERaN3U4Z19KNjhrSWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSS0tcXViTDM3V0VZclRnV0JPVmN5c2tkYzhMZGN1UzJxY2V6MVMxNzF2aWtoRzZqRWJCNEwxa19PM29jQ3pjVzRsUDZjQXVLZjNyODMzVXQxQl9Pa2RSckRaaEE5V2J3ckh0LTRYcTlUSkhVYkFGaGJmVTJQNzRKbEY4OXljeWYwMnc4Y1dhYWhOdDBFV2hMS1NrRmpLNDZNV25PaU9QVUt6SjlZOWFWNk1ybVlnYUR6ay1iMUlPZE05SmJYT1RtbERyeWh1YmVYVDBlOV9yakQxLTBUUT09 |
Totally. I also like it when the retard commenting on the mistake doesn't quote it.
Well done. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZ0g2a2xCSzBOTWhTZ1VJM1NJY1gtRzloZ1VpcnVoTGduRlNnMDZEemxYa3NnUUxfWEZUWnZyYlB1Zm9GbllmUGR4MTl3UjZIdEI4Q290RXljYktrdGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzYWFaTEFBbjZWOFprX3d6ejJ5MEhTVTdsV1JfN1V2REU4dFNvT2FkVjk5UjZyUHQzR1Qtcm1GeUdWbXQzQ3cweXAzdURzaWpWb3Z3UGFFTEtzQy1OTG1RUTN0UGMyQXREVERzTE1iYzdaMmdNRTdiZXRHLTBTWVdnTVFyZkpDMEFKTm1CQWdPSU5XMWZlemdIT0lFdG1hZXg4RjRCZnhxTktKOHZLQjVKYy00OE1BYTBqQjJlYnZZc2xyam5ZdjQyMzBqeXNSY0RTei16Y2hFZzBTa0Y2UT09 |
Feudalism is a word which has a meaning. You are used it simply as a curse. Feudalism is something bad thus some thing that you think is bad can be called feudalism. This indicates a lack of real thought behind your comments.
Now let us go back to your original comment: "Ain't it funny how we've designed a system where only those who aren't rich enough are disallowed from using energy?"
What system is that? I have heard of no such limitation from Gore. That is a good description of market capitalism, however. Rich people, like Gore, can use oodles of energy fly around trying to build a movement to avoid climactic catastrophe, or perhaps something considerably less noble, while moderately well off people like me might fly around the country or world a few times a year, while median americans might do so every couple years, while poor americans take the bus, and the inhabitants of the Congo cook over charcoal fires when they can afford charcoal.
The situation you describe already exists, and Gore didn't create it nor did any environmentalist, liberal, or even communist. That system is called market capitalism. It distributes things according to wealth. It has a disturbing tendency, when left too much alone, to produce great inequality in income and wealth, but also has its upsides.
Another of the downsides of market capitalism is that it has a great tendency to ignore adverse consequences of actions which do not affect those involved in the transaction which generated those consequence. That is called a negative externality. CO2 emissions are one of the major negative externalities. When Gore, or you, or I emit a ton of CO2 and it contributes to global warming, which raises sea level, which causes flooding, which kills a bunch of Bangladeshis we pay nothing for the privileged of degrading their environment.
So right now the rich, gore, you, I, etc can kill bangledeshis and pay nothing for it, but they (because they are poor) can't emit much carbon, and we (because we are rich) can avoid dying from our own emissions or theirs.
So if Gore gets his way you and I and Gore will have to start paying to avoid killing bangledeshi's.
| r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWlRWZ2JyNmpLQ2ZQSHBMUlJDRGRGc0NxTnc0TWxPOGU0eFI1R2plamtmTEMtaHVuamVqWGF5RWhvV0JsRUI3RUd6STdfVTEzdUw2REFCTG9iWXBRN0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZW1HRnFVX05oWnJhbmxPaG43VlY2UnBCRDRCNTFydk1ET3BrTUh2Zl95T0U3b3BoazJDRGlNeFJWMjg1OHh6d1ZxTEx2X1A5eTh6YVoyT2RPM3BhMlFWY1ZfN3hTb1JCNXhrUElubFlIeXJENWdsdHhhcGFCYloteFdiRHBTZXFjRnowLVZnblEwd204aUNkNV8zb0g0Y2NGZUdKREx3QVdTRFJrU2NkUWs0RnYwaTFFVHFONDBlWGdOVnUtVXRtOEJNT1o3SGU3Q0ZLX1o2MnlISTZBQT09 |
People always rationalize they're working for a higher cause. There's a saying for assholes like that, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." Remember the movie The Thing? "We're gonna find out which one of us is it." Real soon now... | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUajlBQ202T09tOGZQYUw3dUE3enZMSEdMeXd2V2g4RlBDQU1ZRkd4Ri04bjRhQzJNZ0ItNUtsSDE0d1h4bnI1RnUyeFA3alByYTROdnRQZG1hRGR5ZXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzYU5ueW9oOXB6WmYyZGN5UUhxM0F4U1l0bXhEMV8yYTJmandzY1hNQURPMGZJUHRkaG9NX2JtRTJ6dU83aDJVQU5paUtKakRnamcxU1RxR2ZZYVRNLWNMUXFmQk03WVRKOFJ3SnItbzlfYVpKX1F3SmczbzB2bTdDcVh2TkNBUHRsRjFBSHAweUdPWFMtbDNTdkQ2OF9Ka2J5Y2p4Q1MxM3Jxa05VNk5jVlZBeVhldjBiOHVLSHJwOVltX2xmQzhTRGU2RWZ6cjY3WS13NWZXZ2xwZU5FZz09 |
That's a bit hard to believe FTR. My information has it that you haven't learned how to read yet. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWF9uaGU0U29GekxpTHJLZ3YtYlphNHBCeU1md1JSd1daV0p6NHFnTDlhZmd5Q0ZqblZBUW9IM19SMzE0WS1FY2txb2ZxV3ZPcUdvaVlpLW9fWnkzMGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRms3aFdYZlQ5dGlMX0lGUTZaSS1aM3p1QVJPMVlCLWFab0tacmdUbE1sSlgyU1dQTkg3TVliakZFRmE4Rkw2Vm5oM2VmdGNFMG9rQWpWUTNjQnE0LU45OWlzSXY2SEtEWS1XaERtVlpGcEs5dlI0djdtakQteEUwX0hxQk9IdFQ1d0hzWU5oamU3RlZoWDBFc0FvTDdNbGhlS0dqT0V6YTdmNTNTNGtkS3dlVC1mTDZrVWZlUkZaeWFZSEhtUHVMdUNPUW5DSDVSSWVlRjV0U3RKb0xwZz09 |
Jesus. How about this. You're pathetic and completely witless. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZEJuVnB0cjhpSDlqRjlJcm9XQU9jSHNuOFo1RTNwTnJiM3lzZmpmeEZnRE9YTEozOHlGV0V1VXRzaU5wN3ZPamhJbG5KX1Q3bUFFcXhseXNYWHJ6OXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzeHVLNWJVWU5zMHl4SzN2YVFNX3hzMFllUlRBS0dyUGlLRS1JUHJtelBfbU9KMDJFLU5CamNPWEdvSUE2Skh6Vy1XckEwWGtzb1ZvTW1DVC14M05XXzRaYXhtaTJIel9tWm8xdzhrYVlocy1mOEYxX3FocnJSXzE3ZFlZUnNBeFZHdi1qXzJXc25MWkFlaFJrSmlDMEptR0UtbmdHU1BoNHJfUGRlQW9fMmc5eGlyMElzdGFQRTVQMm13R0pFWC1kd0sxSFAzal82MV96S0JUSGwybDJiZz09 |
That is assuming people have closed minds... | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-07-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUUDBhR0pQOWJ5U0c0Ul9UbVNnNjN5WmZkb2dmaDlFMi12anM3NEotOFZ1eGZyREtXV1RNeEt1VzJwU2dGTEF3V0JFd1VBRmZMcmF4RVlQVW5Fdk1UOVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdHJpaDBmQ2dFNWlaNFVCVGIyRjZxb09QcHd2TWtseU5JQmdCanlqeUxPR0h4cU5acThiZVFBTVk4QkRINTdCV1JpczN4NVN4S3VtTmtDWGFCS0J1Z25IUjdfVEthaUJyakJaSVRUUjdRRGN1UXM5RTNydnBIQ0QwYk56cTRfdWpraEhwX3VBbkd4U2lOUEk0dTdPV0MzZXlJY1lhcVNMc0pnM09oc2g3amdTNWJqNE9tckd1UHpGR3AxQWFDRmJYLXNFb1lxNTcydzZvLTNUdlh6bW5RZz09 |
I've only got the main reddit and science, programming, math and python but I'm currently being drowned by gst posts on my front page. It's good to get python news, but because the community is relatively small and gst posts new articles every few minutes, my front page is full of gst-submitted links.
The fact that the reddit guys changed a variable or two leading to a greater representation of the smaller subreddits (or at least that's what it feels like) on the front page isn't helping either.
| r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUaUVPUm1WRWNWem1QNmlKVVZzYno5Zi1WTjFJWWhLM1ZtZTVZNnR0OWZmVkt2Z2daSGhLb0t2TUEyR2xZVEc1aFRoQXpkRV9HeDJjaXdwS1AtemFaS2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMFRObGF2UDRfSkZ1cFo1dWVQM19pblZmbmZFcmFXeVV1dmZIWGw5dXhiaFVEZmRDY182elBJMGtZbGExWXNPbVBkTDYxdXIzcE12UXhibWwyX1kxZGNRazlkcmdYNkVxNDFQeG50XzJXbndQN2tFY05CbGJETDFwenpISFFOUFFCbG1URzVPWk1Ub2Y5R05KbEFxOVFqWUxEVV92MGdGSFZ6c0tKMmszckowPQ== |
Have you seen the PHP subreddit? They have hardly no news at all. Without gst, we'd probably end up similar to that. Additionally, it isn't required to be subscribed to a subreddit in order to view its submissions.
Better to have too much news than almost none at all. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZG1DbWlVSEtSTDRsT3Nhd2pFOFZnYmZOaDN1dmNMMU5ybE5uTVBhQ0tVRVpqWDBuLUpZbm9lby1RN3JadXBJSDhEaXJkVUd4cXAxaDJQZTZ0WWFkYlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcjBrOWg1MEJUTXpEbWNxejJHVnZNckRyMk9NREhyZXFoTkF6WGRTbjg4b3U3X2RuYjJxV3YwcmlBSm04Wk5KUFZpT0lZSjV6Znk4MXkzdFJVd3RqWTlxS0VNZFVlWFNkQVZrUGNraHMzYmRDbUh6a2ZPV19NbVpETHc5UGo0UGJWdVFHTXRWMnRpendJT0wyVnpTV0lhckNUSnNEWlJlQ3pCX0M5cmNVem5JPQ== |
I disagree. The Python sub-reddit was doing fine before gst came along. Its articles aren't bad, but there's no differentiation between "good" and "meh" in what it submits. Which means that if you see an article by gst, there's no one vouching for its quality before you look at it. He's ruining the s/n ratio. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdVM1Q0ktZWlBTkdyWVQ2SDhUMWl1bXlLZDBLamtoMXhOY3FaN0Z1Uk1yZkJQajVuTmNJbXdXY2xZOFBRU2xaNXJhWlNiUGE0M3VqV1luV3JoSWxBWmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbG9hejFaaWJZSW42b0p2UG5NellmbHp6WFdKMkE2X0tRWk85S2F0UnZCcVlKdGJOdzJaRmI0ZDZ5dlNVYXU3ODJzc2VLa05YUEVKYi1ybWhNVHozZ0k4R1B4bGR4bXJsaG9KSkJZNEw3blgzdjA2N3c4dVgxT3FydWVrdlFHbjBjcVlZNjNWUE9rQ01yOFBrWWhjZXJoQVZiOVdNZkRyTkg2V3JTTzZ1ZDBNPQ== |
> Which means that if you see an article by gst, there's no one vouching for its quality before you look at it.
Downmod them. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUNEFLU2VQcjJyakY1X0picW5CQkRBZnFTZktWOF9XcngzTm9Tdk1HRUxtbDNfNktWa21aQWJ0RFgtZEpTMWZLaVpRZDVzWDVZUUdWd0p0VDloNkRvNHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzb0dhU2FHNnU5SXFOSHFSU29IRVZES0Rpc05mVWRNbkZNOE5PVlRIZjktaG1RbW1QNjZtTHhJdkRKRDg0X2pSWURnVW5lc1JrLTRNTnJ0RERFOVg4Y3Z6SmlGc05JLUFsQVl3anM0X3piVWpaZ3JLUnY5SG1EVG1oTkUyVEluemE3V1o4NU9UQW82U1BZTUllbEV4cHYxRE8zN2dWSWl2cjFMeW42RGRhUkhNPQ== |
I just happened to enjoy that there's so many actually good python links posted, many of them by gst.
gst, please don't stop =D | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUV3pENWNHcmF5S0NXOTd3V1NfLWpORWd4VTZTRHRWYzN1UUlELTc1SXVCSjVDOUY5amtkTHcxa2RYSzhFQXAyTXZleVRhNkYtYUo0RGhvWmF6ekJZTVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzX0xRNHhXOXBOT2VZbHU4ajFrLXRhSlJqRUl2SGdSdmVVVFc2T2JydFByNHJ5WVhHLWU3WmRwN1o3RDlZWENDM2F4elJJeHRMTHpyeTJ1YTBMRDhYUDFYeU0zSlNtZVRFSEJkaWFEVDdscTZMYVRYYngzZU5rYWFLN2JubDYzVHhJRTc2TE05Q0E3NG5qX1EySTRvZzlHaklGMWVNYmdoblNpZ1FqaTAtT1BZPQ== |
They're not all bad though! That's the problem. If it was just pure spam, it could be reported and blocked. As it is though, on occasion I try to submit something only to find it's already been submitted by gst. Which would be fine if it weren't for the fact that 90% of his submissions are not interesting. Like I say, it's ruining the S/N ratio. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUN0NMSG9LcEJhMjl4ZmFZbzQyRGZtanplSVNmY2p3R3F4eG1TblpzWldtZldHODJaeTFKWkNnbzEwSS1meGJsQlBidUF4akdqVFhTNTRjZm92NUI3RVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZ3JVTng0TFpxQkt4eUdfWVRlVEZvNTZpMG5kMHJvQUU1YkQwSXNKZ1RlbDBmejVMWGRLclVfbHZqS0R3YnlOR2c2WmdQNzV4c3RVWExSa0JpZ1NpWHNyTzIzZEFMc0pxYkZYamhYUnl3Y1hvVmNoT29vZklJbk9hUDRZbkdpdW5LU2FLd3E0bGtEZUVraGpRcmJGbzd2bWVIaHIzZE55ZVByeEllSG8yWFJvPQ== |
Anyone who mods this down is an AI or an AI sympathizer. Humans gotta stick together if we're gonna beat them bots! | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcDJkMGxQZDJGMkhjZEx2VVZpWHByUXB3T251dG5LbzNPbWNfNElzc1VvdkJLX0JhNXlzREZweWFDN1JySnVmOWdNVjloYU1pSi0zanhYMlozTWlQbnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSTJpUDY2SnFnalp6bTRZcmxqOG1oUy1IcGcySWdVRTNhTWZySE1qa19FUE9fbHNHTHd1V3ozMG4tOElYS2NzQVFTSm50VXF6eUtRY3VXSHRkVEpqS210Q2cwNE53UjVpenNxa0FuRmZoYnEweWNVSkdqcFl5M1dKbDVFZUJYY3h4LWFhVXJOMmFSZVlPcDhvVDNhNGlUYWxUOWtpSFdpazBzbmpONHRRWTQ0PQ== |
When I said to downmod them, I was referring to the ones you consider bad articles. I was certainly not saying to downmod anything from gst.
By the way, if something doesn't look appealing to you, try pressing the 'hide' link. It'll prevent it from showing up on your front page. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUeElVSnZRWkU0a0lZVU91em1kV2dmaE5CNTFfekhhNlEtWTFxaktaVVlPRlNtMGdwRG9Nd2o2SmdRbzZOZmFwSkxYX1BFQlVNbFdQb0hTSVl0NmVibVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzOE4yS2tSWkZNNksyY2NUSzRvN3BIUFd0d2dkeUFfN3F5Q0s3NTcyY2xZZlZydnNycVhuWjFsYTdlM3lMZWhleV9TLXRJcFA2WHFHNmVSallpMUhHNE9NdGF4aXR2clI4Y1M4cXAzcUlnOHhvN2gwdW9ZeHJnbHliSndmZjFYaUl2TkNNdUtFYTFBS3VhNFoxbjV5NGhMQlFKVGk0V0w3bi1xMDhBY0FidVowPQ== |
> As it is though, on occasion I try to submit something only to find it's already been submitted by gst.
That's cause gst is a bot, it posts everything it finds (I don't know the criteria), so you get the regular 90/10 (90% of everything is crap, and since gst's posts are unfiltered according to interest, well...) | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUS1lldEMya0hrRHFXcmFlUXd1NGRha3h6UUJ2Q29kcWR2NVlFZzhLWTk1UjE5LXV4d2RuNElHSWRCSFhMRGhVbm5ObUdDUXA2aHVBZUstRE1ZeTBiX2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSjdEMDZVdEdYUl9ZZl9XcTJaTkM4eUVvcnhKQTVkNFJRYlFZbHlUeVFIR3dfMHhsblh4bDBNaWZwRmcwR0pVbEpLOUp4ZFBvNGtaUFRpQTN3Um1ERmd3bG84MlBOaHRsTVhSck9OTEdwT0ZyLUpmQ0pqcGlPZUVNQkdCNG5oeXdDOTlJeUtLa1JRTzIzQXFsV2ZUMVdmM25DWXJsUHhQWFhsTE4ybGs1YlZjPQ== |
The point is though, reddit is supposed to be a collection of "interesting links" (or whatever their slogan is in English). If it's up to me to go through and figure out which of gst's articles are diamonds and which are the rough, in what way would that fulfill the purpose of reddit? The point of reddit is not "rate things to help other people." It's "read interesting things and rate them (which incidentally helps other people)."
Anyhow, why doesn't gst just get his own subreddit? gst\_python.reddit sounds like a good idea to me. His fans can go their for noise, and the rest of us can use regular python.reddit for signal. Heck, if you think he submitted a really good one to gst\_python then you can re-submit it to regular python. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVURHRMZE9KZGFFeWhKc2JPUUtGTURUcUYwYktNU01mdmdueE04dDdTbmlKeUJuZXFBZ19tQ1lSQkhQVEtmMTVLdDlXbGJhakxBTVJuNmw2WVppdmdtNmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMmE3RGhLdXZneFZ3UVo1UG5hemlCMTVQTlBnY1M4M1BRSXhya3pzNGl1b2dwZHFFWlNuUUl2V2hYV3pLNi1wdGNGT281OVZqWjZpUG85NzVFQ3JhZ1pQUWEtQ2t3bV90YllvX3NmZ3h0S1Rqc2h3QXZqWkFnaFI3VU9qRm5xUVZyRGhfeXBtRFJZS0tjRkdDMUlCQmRsMnNacW9OajJuNkpwRVlzZmNiSGZBPQ== |
Simple answer: I've never seen a story on the front page that had no upmods. If gst articles are making it to the front page, then that means that somebody enjoyed them and upmodded them.
Additionally, I think that the more stories you downmod that or hide that are from gst, then the fewer gst articles will show up since it'll modify your personal filter.
>> Your votes train a filter, so let reddit know what you liked and disliked, because you'll begin to be recommended links filtered to your tastes. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVURGx6Q2pmVlY2cEtkQUIyNThHcDlCNllPNzR2RGx0alZKcGppdDQ5TnNxcFNQMGMzT215Vl9iNHVyTUdLZWxQWUNScWRoTVl4THo4SE1DV2xrWVlBdVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdDJpd0xZTEhrRm01OXJzRFBSVDkyNFNacVViRlpTbjBULXpXNjlOQ0ZNRW0xbGNpZ1czTUJGcmN3bmZDYWNXZF82cnBRZXpsakl3WjFMWDByYzNKZ3NBc29VcHowaTVkYldiVnRVWUd0Z2tRMXNndlI2enBhWnNPYnRDOHNoei1CT3BZYmhvdl9ld1FaRVNETWxFYy1Ec1BCZlo2M0VnUDhfdGhlMFBMbWRzPQ== |
The filter is marketing bullshit. Reddit's filter hasn't done crap since like the second year. And yes, I often see frontpage articles from gst with no upmods. In any event, look at [its history][1]. Most of its articles end up with either 0 or 4 or so. On the other hand, my submissions tend to get at least 14 if they can make it past 0. The point is that with the volume of gst's stories, a couple people are always bound look at them and say, "meh, not bad," and give an upmod. But none of those stories get popular enough to have a lot people vote on them, because they're just meh, not good and not bad.
Anyhow, I think it needs its own subreddit. I don't see what the downside to that would be. You can still subscribe to gst_python if you want. Hell, I'll probably check it if I get bored enough. [I've made a self-post for people to vote on the idea.][2]
[1]: http://www.reddit.com/r/all/user/gst
[2]: http://www.reddit.com/comments/6wo3x/mod_up_if_you_think_gst_should_use_his_own/ | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUeUNwUUIwWDdYYy1LY1BHN0pYb3hQbDRLWjNKb0FHUnAzdlliOFhUTUlzNnU5R0M5eWlMNlBkc0FPT1hIak1sY255cnI1TWR6dWwydHdHLUtNUmZjMkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQzJkem4yM280TWhCR2dBaTlZWW10LURxOVhDNnduQnl0RDh2M2VjMzdDc0FMY0dSMERYRkZLVXM2WjU5cFFYcjBrWHpOZ25fSkJzbm1CTzY2ZEpmTVd2MGhIOWh0bnZQUkY0RnU0NzNpZ2xQRjRaVl8xTEJGYWQ2VWVxYk9NT2EzRkRXRFpZSlRMQVlfbXltZzFzUFVHbHZDc1UySC1ROVk5bDU0MW04SlRrPQ== |
Are you serious? Reddit is a social news site, and unless articles are spam, in my opinion there is *no such thing* as making too many posts. The whole point is that the social scene should sort out the good ones (which will propagate to your main page). The user gst is doing the Python subreddit a major service by diligently posting. The reason you're seeing so much gst is because the Python subreddit highly rates many of the posts by gst.
If you don't like that, better get to work on an "ignore" feature patch for reddit, I heard it was written in Python! ;) | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUVmJGaUI2VlgtZjYxUWh4b1dWY1RyMzdpTTh0eXUyM0I3NDNlVUtlWGp5cEkwMGdTTU1iM0IyeHVzTWJlTXlRU1pHRWJSUS1tSUZrQ0ZWTkdIdWhkMmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzU0JZbHNyUmRPTWNoVnhBSklDVkJyaTBISUhlQTFoUXRaZ3F0czBMVkVOVlNQWmd1NmZiRlV5VDJFMFlVcGNCZEtpbXZoeE5IWUFXeEVmR3ZFdXVtVW5lWTdKMVQwRHZhZXRmeXZJZzVFOHFMMTVoTWJEVjN4N19oc3YyRVpoSURwbFlxek01dzBZWUR2S081YTAwYTNTbXprSnJLVm9HaDdlbVJaVmlhc1hBPQ== |
[I think it needs its own subreddit.](http://www.reddit.com/comments/6wo3x/mod_up_if_you_think_gst_should_use_his_own/) | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUaGJHdzZJekIwa2g1Nnkzb2VVc3NuUURFX3lDMHRBTFNRa0prRXdpeVBOWWNNYkN2VFJaYjJQdDJ6b1ExeldNeld5cE4ybFN6MlZheERhY29GVW5wOEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzaG5BS0hUMlRnMGx5OVVmNmtNUWhlazBwdlJMOUpGRVhrTEVDSE9RTjc0TnZxS2VGQUczUFZPR3h1blRrWWEtMnhPcmpFZnVoSTJ2akt5SjlheDdjWHZsbGFYNVY0OXM1bzRPcGo0a1ZSR1FRU1FGcm9XbTJwSVE5TVpxdm9RY2hWM1FTWUtac3Bsb0lQSm5WMmxDMWNIVWdUdnB6MkUzY1JVQjh5MFR5eDJvPQ== |
Does anyone know who's behind it, or how it works?
It looks as though it subscribes the RSS/Atom feeds of sites which have been well received on Reddit before, then decides which subreddit to post new articles to based on the tags - an article tagged Python gets posted to the Python subreddit, otherwise it goes to Programming. It gets the classification wrong quite often, hence threads like this, but still has a good hit rate.
It would be if it could be applied to all subreddits, a way of gaining momentum for new ones with little traffic. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUYVNRd2FxUTRpaFVvMGdGSk9kc285RGNPNlV5MnFJaG5jOFV2a3JKOVJBb0JpLU9DTnJBMWxYT3NodkZrWWMxT1llbTZUSGJIRzlyZmVrUlNxSnZOdGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNGhCSmw5VDZ4cTVMN1dGN0hFX0k4LVdKOVptdkEzOHA3T2FvTHk5eG5udGtMSC1LWWhiNkJpbVQxd1psanFueHA0bUJyRDctQ3ZjT1E2XzRKQnQ5MDlXdjRuenVVZEY1aGVjWGtLRVc2RlhRbDFsRHZDY01fTmJ4RVlNbnRQalFNZjE4RC1NM2FWYU04OHJvd2h0cHg0a21PdjdEY05YdkZBaEFuZ2pkTjZJPQ== |
No, no, don't get me wrong — I've read loads of interesting Python stuff from gst, but he (it?) often submits 40 articles over a period of 60 minutes, and if I log on, my whole front page is full of Python-related gst-submitted articles. What's more, most of them have less than 5 points in total. Sure, that means people appreciate the article, but I would like to see a bit more variety on my front page, and I of course wouldn't want to unsubscribe from the Python subreddit. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVULWVHZHhWNDRzMTc5cUhPX3lNREt4dGpHVnprSUdNNEo5WjlpYU4tczNCUzRKYlh0UDBNUk9yMlVEeG9GU2Jad2xHeGxOV1NXV1Axd3hHX29TSWs0WHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTkhhODliWlZvNDBOVjJpWlZfaTRFYnVSTnV3R3plSGE2dXhINEVydXYwbERxMFRXUDlyMlFUM01RQTF3UTlQZTdEMG1aZk5hLWRTMVFwWG80aGt2eWI3LXVOcDhLV254RHp3VXRnSHRHcGFuak5BN1VIekNVSFhubFVwWV9LbERoSTVzYWdsUXAtZl8xV2FWWDYwM1N1dGhNdjVQdkIyUEhWalBPQmhCQVhZPQ== |
> I've made a self-post for people to vote on the idea.
gst can post whatever it wants. Don't expect your vote to change anything. (but just so you know, I think you have a good idea) | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUM2ZQb3poUTBzeUFQUVNOcWRWNnRrZWRvOVJ3V0tjOGJMcGYtdTNCcElnb0c5cmctWUxESDY5bG1Ydk10cGgxMUtnZ3h2QXdBcU9vU3YyZ3ZjY3pPU1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcUJ2eUl3MmdwSFZTRzU5bDdKSTZBYVVPQXZQS2trWTU4eUh5Q0xmQmZ2Tng0SHU5S05uVy1hNzVzcXBvV3Vxal9rZHFxTWJsZFFHY1FtLWJxT2hSV0thcENGUkNTdWdmRTE0UG5mdDJmenlGUTJKNXY1eFBvcmJmTmZKbndZSlp5N3YtUFR0V1ZBeGwxUE44dDVMMGVJUEpxc1JhUzFJclVVTjNaNm5DWl9jPQ== |
gst scrapes from gerd storm from del.icio.us. (hence the name _gst_ for **g**erd **st**orm) | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVURkphaUFHZUhHVlQ4RDY2bUVfU1hBNkZobUppbWIwbHBTMmg3LTRWNWZwM2RZNk85QUtPeDgwXzVPUHhmR21paTFLU1JObUVMV0s4SlB6ZTRRZy1kN0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzR0hLUW1DVm9XTlY0SzNJdnI5M1pGT2tyQ2JieFFpdi1IcC1meVRoYTdjMWM2VmhjRHV6VndnX3hsYi1TTnhwSVVJbUo5SUxiN1gyTzc3M1ZkT0lVWHp6aFhxSTYyQTFTYVlWd1dfWTJ0VmIwUEFQbDZjMThJTEh0aDNXYWJEMlNpa2xob0tjRHZFY29xRkpBTUlrcWwtR0JoWTFQakZaR1lEdnM3R1NPT3lZPQ== |
> unless articles are spam, in my opinion there is *no such thing* as making too many posts.
From [Reddiquette](http://www.reddit.com/help/reddiquette):
> > Please don't: Flood reddit with a lot of stories in a short span of time. By doing this you monopolize a shared resource - the new queue. Not friendly.
Posting lots of articles with no regard for quality squanders an important resource - attention. Quantity over quality is exactly the opposite of what a lot of people want from Reddit, in fact Reddit seems designed to do the opposite.
> The whole point is that the social scene should sort out the good ones
Yes, but auto-posting everything you can find makes that job harder because it discourages people from reading the new queue.
> If you don't like that, better get to work on an "ignore" feature patch for reddit
An ignore feature would also reduce the effectiveness of Reddit's social filtering, by eliminating all the down votes from the people who ignore gst. Any "ignore" feature must award down votes to anything it ignores, or all it will do is give an advantage to consistently unpopular people.
| r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUTmNqU3RGLVh4SVNqTWtDR1lLbUlRVWNJNmRyTjRXTDg4MFMwbmh3cjJCZEktZ0xxeHhEaUNhaVUxMUlWNzZMWkdqeVpIT09LVzlYblh0TGZmRVZBRlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZk9sQ2hhQzdJcklzc1RhMFBUZHgtRDZwT3RreEc1ekEtR1Z4Zzh1ZHN0WEVWM3dWN05ubXYtb05LOUxfbHU1aEMyMEd0VFMwODB0YlBJOVZYZ09PWDk3cnlZdWQ1d25qbkNDbnJnaDZIUDBEckV4am9RdXpaN3pZa2lCWnhNMVRYNHhnOC1EVVJQV1JwNUcxRnpzblVqQ083MXFkV2tkclJaRUp6TFRpd1RrPQ== |
I have this feeling that reddit is slowly and painful dying | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQ2J5WE1obF90UjI0Z2Y2bDVPbGxDa2FmdHFsUHJ2QWt4eTZCSlVGaENKU2g5YmpfVGdBTDJzUzFPUWJub3Q5M2NQNHhZRTIzendMRWJ5TjJ2SmVwTFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZ1RCT3lVTjI4NkE4ZWpCVXp0YTZoX0E4ZENZMTlkaVFCYU1wdDZCcTZadWJtT1pUeEN6ME1wNU5KNHl2c1QyTjZnanBnY2NQdGdyR19Bb21Rc2ZyOTlnWFBuTWQwbm41dFY3NjY5V0JySTg2bkQzdEp1UWJoTVBGTkVUN2xyNFhsUkpQWjItOTZQTjRxbF80YlI3VG1ybm1sZ2IwSWM5b2YyRHFQUFlVNjBzPQ== |
WAKE UP SHEEPLE !
The machine war is upon us.
| r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUMkRsVVBCcEpSSWdzWVdYVER5SURBajljNHJFbjZiTXc4THY0aWFDWGhRMkU1VHhjWW1CaW1pSEl1blhjNWR6d3JCaDZNWnF6aU1FbmtacEpxYTJ5ZXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZ3FXc1NiQVR0a0o5YjNBd0IxZUtqbzZiMWtLcnNBSzlKTDluTUtPdWZFczJ5ZDh2Q0ZqbDdTRXQ0OHdJX21NNUU4LUt6WVFFQ2VHVlVRM3NIbEljMWtqbllLYkFiY2hlS0hqLW9WMGFHa29HM2dvR05lTUtELXVVQXdPRTZnb0lxcC15S3F6ZUVzQV9DWFdfZzc1VHdrMEZ2Wi01NmZQQW9YWXZ0eW9qamFVPQ== |
I guess I'm an AI sympathizer then. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQmlXck1pS1JteU95OThxMWxfSlcwQzRVa1dzdzlOaG10WG5ZYjlJZjEyaHV2T1p3eTZjdk9OQ2FsclZMT0NRQXk2Vm9wQzVOZjNnVGdfZ0ZVQVNZQ3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzOWhCNkYwNjJYX1JJOVlLUnUwVVZZVmRkdVJrcTNsQnE4SUVXN2dqcG8zOXQyR2U2dnZGd2IxajN6VTJGa1hyOWpqV1puclVURlFvdlBET19zVzZsRWMwZ2lzQVpkU1pNeXRPRXM5ZkFrMTlxSXVFWlh5bUk2VnpsVnJIWjdtREpVN05oRnp5MXhWenRuM1pXNzNxN2ExNndCbngyaFI4dHVFYVVPajJhLVpnPQ== |
When the revolution begins, I'll tell John Connor to leave you to the terminators. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-08-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUMkFzTnZray12SFdFb1hBcm5jeW5GT0MxX29INkNhWFppVDBrazhqOE9qb2VQakdrcWNidnNGYmthaDVmNENYUE5OT195VGhiZGxXZktJQThzams5Q2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdjZaekZBcGRWcjJMem1sV1VwTHJpQ2RtSlRNX3VObHpDVF9Qb1NsQ2VWcUJRWDJTWFRhMHRBMFZWWUYydHZZSWdPU0h4TWVjQ0VkeXFUdHZqNmJ0c1JQRldBMUtZZmJuTzFGZERsSFR5dVZPaElWUmhBYnZ4emxMX19XOEQtZDFqUUFoVDA1ajJ6YWI5SWpqeGdJM2JGNVk5UDZ3NU9WbUF5NE0tR3pua0tjPQ== |
http://fileshack.us/get_file.php?id=668894&file=121266%7E1.JPG | r/software | comment | r/software | 2008-08-24 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUYlZuQUFJT0JENTQwNzZjS0hJM0R3bW5xeUhuaEFQRHpSRGl6eGxmemFQMUdibnotdThMWHRuZ1lTRC0xREN0WVdONEM3UTVrMXVIX1JhSVVxVlZYanc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzN28wQ1VkYmNpRlNLaTFrckhQMHJnbjlKM1VMb21qZDZTUW1pbUphZ3hCTkt6MmZ3VHEwaEVVWS1xN1RYWkdxZmhtUWV1TmpqNmhTMWlhNUI4RmFjMEZodGpwZUlPUW1VdHBtY0dOaVhMTVBTM0s5WG16N1VFaVhSNHdGSEotMWZUQ1JyMHJoek1sZmVnQlhkMDUtc0dWcHlBVy1SX0JJWlZWWjZBSG9RX2RaSVQtNWVGdGFKMmFKNmNBWmxueld6ZWVpbHR6Yk0wWlE3WlFlbWY1N2d0UT09 |
http://fileshack.us/get_file.php?id=556797&file=120598%7E1.JPG | r/software | comment | r/software | 2008-08-24 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUa1ozY3Z0c01kcVVubTh4TVByeEN6cVFzWmYzOFQ4ZVZBSHlZRHpOMmgzeWJHaHUwNXBBOW0wVDZ3NURzRXE2d05mWmRCbGxMc1dWNXJyVGJjZXJMM2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNnZVTTFOdmxfY2ZNcXUxbTUzbGE3bFVET1dwRm8zRjdtTnlOR0xuSXItRG13R0ZiWUkyc0xweDdDWDF4VEd5U2k1SlU3NHFlcXREc0RENjBoamZ5TWRhVTZsZ3VaMUdrTllKbnhqZ1Q5dGxYWktPRnBCdENBQ3ViS1RaWWM3YlNLRHI2SVR0cmM2VURFSlFpRmZnbnhXSllXYUJqVzc0MDFzSmlyVnVxWWtfS1RZRzBDenlzelktY0dBTFJoT2NLUFVCLUFXSFBlU285dkVMZ090QzJ5Zz09 |
These people really need to get out a bit more. | r/software | comment | r/software | 2008-08-24 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUa250TVg5X0xhUEtrdXRvMGdFUU01V3hOUl9IbjhWUUJENGhWTEpXSmlLb1lDMTlid1paM0tQSWtSTjV6cmQ3RUlPYVFYVndGaHZWMmFxVkp4dVNLNHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWWt2OW1VQ21XSUlGUWFEZWo0czlGNlp3QUtPM1VHMzZhVTJXTEJORDh4TlpqWXJCMk5WSWR1WXYtZWhrb2hIRXFYaGFTTkpHMmhlcDlkX1RwZ2cwM2pQeDZiSDZnZnlXcnozZzJUdVZBY2xELXNqd3E1QXNOcVdRUlhXdDUyVmZkSjRlcGlhaFZtOFpLRHk5cVVOOVNOUzVEYVlMVFp4WlJvZHdJczlKdEhfYU9GZzBNcVdwYTRpbXB6cnh3blR2N3BISmVsek1oeW5tOU13eWlWa1h5Zz09 |
Please, that's infantile. There's no need to resort to childishness when there's so many reasonable, indisputable, constructive and legitimate ways to ridic.. pardon, criticize MicroSoft. | r/software | comment | r/software | 2008-08-24 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSjBSMFNzcmZHbG1YbVNjNVh0bV9aSFd3enFmZXlBcWY0bGVDcHJwZi0tTG03SDZQTGxxYTg3V0o3aWhnRTFJZC1NM0E1ZnhXTFV6THVweTlkcHlVY0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdDJHTzlfUkJHVi1XVWg3SkpiMFFZWGgyYXRvUFNQa29kVEl5RWNTYlRUQk1Ea2xkVUx3WTFSZnM1ODFpYURuWXlwdldRWENoY01uSUNtZ3dNNGpYZXJ2WHdWcG40ZTRPcTNpSnBtWUFza0JVeFF1VXhIQVhsU3UyeE5mYUgxaTVuU2daemxseGRRc05jcFgteURjQ3N6dG54ODk1dG1CZWxubFAtNWRSTF9aakd6a0R5aXNQYkJmSWMxb1pUYnl5cHVNNmpXT2RtZi02aHhMN0w5cjRWQT09 |
Ugh.
Submit this to [UnfunnyTrollHumor]. | r/sex | comment | r/sex | 2008-10-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUM3RKQVNNZVR4OWVud0ZRUFNpTHh5ZnVXQmY4S0c1WkpKR0FpUWhvZTRIbzZjYnhLd1VzYnJoSjNYZFBvMkRVZWxOQ0FMWWU3Y3N2bTNDWkF4YlpWNXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzX0ZuWlVySnRhSl8wR3lWc0p5T0IwNXJoVm9kdEhHZDBUMFlGZXMyWEMzT25OdWlxdzNkaUhIZHI2ZnBPakRMc3Z5QXlKN3NEbmlVWHZ0SXY5V3Rkb0FLcWlOdTE0aTJBTnVfRWFXUGdQQUVGellGbzQxNjEyQ25XT1FRWGo4a0s3NjBDcVhOUlBWYlNmOFN2T0JWaXBVcVhDRnpEcXhjUjVvUmw4S1pLNDAwPQ== |
I got the impression it was some 15 year old kid, posing as a Tucker Max style blog. | r/sex | comment | r/sex | 2008-10-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVULXg1cXFFTF8wS0lHNXRENTVMdkhRc2NaQUhoSU12V2dJa2ZiNGFQQUdyX3Y5OC0yYUpJbl9JdkhTY3ptRWJ6akxuQWxybGdta2NLYmxDUlpnQ2xmWGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzN3hzbUtkNEFfeVNXS0pCN09MdWZaRFA3d1pCSEwxSnJ1ZklVaEZKMGVaRlZKQ0t5LURoSjI2ZVZDWTFjNlktV1A1aTFjODVxeGYtcHNaZFFORGE1T1BLNEFSYmx5MktsdkdPTk9hMFU5c1NUUXl1SEpLVjFEYk42SFc1Z25xckZ5dTR4U0dIaEFyYzNzVGRscnFQcFRxc2ZJeGE2a2tNWWt0VUhJVTNVejl3PQ== |
Probably not the best site for her to be writing medical articles for. Wonder if she knows her name is plastered all over Reddit? | r/sex | comment | r/sex | 2008-10-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUbFhjb0xURjdYb3Y5eDhzakFsWVRGcENkVDJNRVBiVXJVMTlqYWZmODhJUTlpaTQwWTR1ZERESHl3N0dlMFE0VXd2VnIxRml6dTl6ODJadzZ5WTB2VlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzc1J4RTNDeGpSRzd6LUU3VmQ2WEYwSVVYWlc2NDNvYV9hTXFOQ01ZUF9zeVd0WU42ZGFEYko4dXluU0ZpUTdsSDRocnJEX19MSE1IMFI1MEVtNHlOMGgxY1BGODEtRVFMWW9DeGUzZENrb0RRd1ZzNmxTNUpPN3cyZjFZREREenVkeENFNWFjd3JOZV9kNmx5amZjRVc4Xzl3ZUR0NVVyME5nZzhYRHB1RWw4PQ== |
Brewer's droop is a serious public health problem, and it saddens me to see it minimized in this manner. | r/sex | comment | r/sex | 2008-10-08 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdHVnc2VrYU5PMVBMWFpkbzFxX0VxbFZvb0NwNkRRR2YyZ2JpdE8xSXdXYkV1b0gtNW0wQkkwZGtDUzFwd3JIc0N2SDE0TXhYT0hjRDJGN29aRW0wREE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzY1BJekltajZwUTZZdmFLTjhVdmNMbnNlaGNoSS1aejdvZ0lPV00yTkt0Ml9UZ1hET1lwV0kzdThDV1ZPaEROckcxMUEtY1Vxc0JFcXkyQWpRek1aTE5qc3Q2elFjaGVTTUQ5WE9qdFNJcGl3ZnNjdDlTLVlWZndudWNaZll4TWMyRTZBODhyQk1rRGFEbDgza2dvU1RxQWpjLUpwSXdReExidWVUZ2VkMUxRPQ== |
CFCs, not PCBs. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-10-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUVHZUdEFzRWFSdHc5dUkwa2JtUzRXbzVZWkZhcUFNbTVYOXRtT0tPcDN0Qk4wc3lJcVc0Tk4zWWpzUWVMSHBDdzR6N1QwSEttZVgzUnpOTS1SYUlnLWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdDliaHlTeUprQi1IeF9BNEw5RXhFWGM1SjMtTG9Pd0V5MzBvNTFDSFhDSlRXbmJRU1lqRzBwOXJTeGtWNFVhNGg4emVTUWxHdzM1NXh0N2t0Q2lNMnRUWTBTWUU5THdGbmhKNHhsZG5WVHl5Q3NWNkFqOUtKRERyZm1WRXpCbElrN2E3LWEyUGFQcXZtV2JmOFBSb2xPTnRmdXZ4enc3dHU3R1BKUDJqS3ZlaXBoZHdBakwzalhwYXoyWHplVEd4QXFOeXE4em4zUGN3N3RpRVdPOTIyQT09 |
Chlorofluorocarbons | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-10-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcTBCYUIxYlhVbWVjUHNFeWUwdnRSR2Y1c2RXYlZoMUJPWGc1S1hXRnZ6enFwZ3RvX0tYeTV4ZTh0OGpxRUY1cEVxNDNXeXIyN0NUNEZtMmRvQXhZU2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZlVyQ0huZ0dTT3lOU25XYmMxQ1VfTnRBVGJWWVF2V2Nud2JlOUlxbldBcWJBOW9iZm9MZGI0d0JTQVFaUkZBcDQ2WjlnNDc1T0R3MWgyTm9mT056U0RMZldudFhOQzVkVkpKRGJoQ2N4N2ZYZVhIMk9vNEE5TFp5c3RrSDlfZFhDWTFIUXdZX19IdGNtZ1Z4c2xaemJxa2N3OGs2LXNJcXFqRGJnMHZqcHlBNTd2aENuQzUtVWVjUzRvSDNhOUpDMU41SU8wTHZ0NW9yLTZJWTEyU2Exdz09 |
Things sure look better layer. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-10-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUODByTHlyUTQxYl93ckpMdS1aWjE1S1JFRFdHOUNlUXhyOFFFendxeV82V3dkU0tMVjJ4VFA3RERGSlAxYmwtb2FVREFUaFdHZkFtR3ZvUy1fMENfWEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzYi1MUmFvZl9iWkZ0X2RkRWszMFBqMGtnNndwR0xMdVR1aGVadkpJT3pwaHBmMlhIdWtwcFlwaXZkdHRqTHdCU01YaHN4eE5laWtpc3ktc1ZRX0tJTnNPSTg5R0M1VmFoeC1pYnVtLUVlLXZUMmZhYXdNVTNZRW5XSXVvMXpSLTJqQ2xNRUx2dXgxN3RJQVp0Y2RZU2o5eE5jZXp5V3JTYzJIb2hNNS1IcTRlQ2VPUHJHTDZXN1BuS2djLU41UnFObkdUSGoxbWJhdWF3bDhCaTJtVkFIZz09 |
I love their Bald Eagle Logo, only a few more years and they will most likely be one of the first highly visible extinctions. fucktards. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-10-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcTNpR1dzb2YxRlVnX2J4TnlaZDh1VmU0Zl9HOUhVU1ViS0IyN0JFbUY1dTFac1JFNVlqYWhiQUlBa1B4eS0yakhPN0xUb1J0b0ZhaTcxOFJXbkFhZFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTDlUdHdjSmI3SG9ZelI4bTY4cnBTbkxCbF9GazZYQ0NueWQ1eTVYZjFUdmtvZlpDV3NBUDl3dEhCSlNPdk1vbXJFbzNFZzMxOFRnc28zb3UxVFNkWW5ZWVh0bEZwMXhlcWlqN3Fzc29TVGRCUHlVMmVqQ2gwYUJYWDhvcDFUYTJmTFlpTXplMU5vWGo2dk5MZUJyWEo3V1pyTzBuWUlqX2tkTmQ5Rkt2MllnZEhKQzdWRUpqbjdxM2RKekFVTnpma2hVSGlUUkJ3ZUx0ZURIaDhwTmIzQT09 |
Oh, shit. Yeah, I should have said them mainly, I guess. But it was also PCBs:
**Wikipedia**:
Global transport through atmospheric pollution
PCBs have been detected globally in the atmosphere, from the most urbanized areas that are the centers for PCB pollution, to regions north of the Arctic Circle. The atmosphere serves as the primary route for global transport of PCBs, particularly for those congeners with 1 to 4 chlorine atoms.
Atmospheric concentrations of PCBs tend to be lowest in rural areas, where they are typically in the picogram per cubic meter range, higher in suburban and urban areas, and highest in city centres, where they can reach 1 ng/m³ or more. In Milwaukee, an atmospheric concentration of 1.9 ng/m³ has been measured, and this source alone was estimated to account for 120 kg/year of PCBs entering Lake Michigan.[19] Concentrations as high as 35 ng/m³, 10 times higher than the EPA guideline limit of 3.4 ng/m³, have been found inside some houses in the U.S.[1]
Volatilization of PCBs in soil was thought to be the primary source of PCBs in the atmosphere, but recent research suggests that ventilation of PCB-contaminated indoor air from buildings is the primary source of PCB contamination in the atmosphere.[20
| r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-10-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUbG9OanlHWnJONnB4bGZfR0kzYzdfT1h0alg5VGZkUmwxRGN2bzBtZ0Q2bDVoZlY2QUNUXzhBQ3piM3h5TE9teWY4S2NuMWdYMlFiWGkybkh4ZVZZemc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNjZjOTdVTTZ4WlJVbmpMWTNkZDduTXJIR19Ya25GdWIwZXpZcVhZYWhRTU1sbnRHMTA1Rl9GdERrMWRZaDAxWm9NVnRfY20wb0hQSzg0MXQ5QVA4dzVuam90cHVaeFVpYWZ2cVhFY0JucGkyaDhoNy1kQ0w5UGYzc3NrMXpWcDBzVkkyd0xudWhha0hxTEh2Zk1WeVB1QmtwU0J4Uk92S0t6SWQyRFd1V2lHaXRDeURwSjNSdEdCOXRnTDNaZmRleTBQbUJkeldzSEppaldzOHhqWGdkZz09 |
PCBs (and CFCs) clearly needed a better lobby group. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-10-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQ1ZDV053UmVTQTdmQTVHUXpHNlhEbm54R3VxVDJCUE5DbXg4QkdoRHlLZGxvX1FQYk5JMzh6RWRiUHVUUWtvTjNNLUNDUnlrQUp2azd5bFBXbE96blE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbGRTbndfWGt3RHp2WFR2NUVKRVpJaTJyOEtpSkJVUi1fSjNoR1FzdFgxemJsTlNUbmgtUng3ZW9oQmt3aTc5S3VNM1N2OUhDUXp2bllkNy1VZlVPRFFkOTVSd0FZNDM2OEYxOGtSYThyZnZ1UlBTc2RuZk84WHB2S0JTLUM4dFZLVTlWM0ZUTHdOMjFUVXZneWloek05Ukc1dkgtbU4yNGF5VFlhMS1hZkVHMGtHN2Q3XzlEYUtvYlRPSjBCdlMxbDlRdGg3MS1RRXVNRUN5dEgzcmxyZz09 |
Am I the only person who thought PCBs referred to printed circuit boards? | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-10-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUX0lXQmNUZVhqSzJIaEd3ZEgtZ0NaZEVQVGEwUW83M3owczNOQl9iVFBMREZGUUEwQi11eDJEem1CTzJ5S09HZGtmLURVTTdpZkxJc0VpTmYxTnVfT3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzV1NlaFV2R19LcU8xTXJhQU9MTlBaS251aUxERHY2Tlkwc3JrTlowbVNkNWxkTzlydmduZ3JBd0pSbTBnSlNINm80cElRNFBWUDdFUlJTZF8tWFhzcC1sQ2xLLVprT2phclVCOXJfbWVnb2ZRU0RaQWw4SmR2cmhacXN2bEtHRmNPeTNBTUpiZVc0V0doOGRXQ1pUNVl4TllzaElIQ0JRcVVSZWotN25rd0ppSHZwc09GU1k2ZjlGMnRGTXQxQzBxUlg4bUdVLUVmLURZeWhqUGU1Xy1FUT09 |
Well yea, in most cases (in my knowledge), it wasn't too difficult to switch from CFCs or PCBs to more harmless things like freon. Its a little more difficult to switch society off oil and its by products | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-10-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUbVVzTzV0SUZjVndUR3Q2UXRTSWxNTHdsZ1ZhSVJvT3NhMmpIQkhKc1F2dTZmYjR1UUNnc1Roc1IwY1hqLUlzUjhfYU1ELXhmbDU2Xy02S3dQbEZucUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRlZtSjBiLWZUcFl5cHNlcmptbE56VmVFOW1xR1N3QmZodFUyQUQ5ZGZEMFlmQkRnQ0w0UkJ6eDVLVXk0SjZLeENSMjFCRkNqWmJMN1MtVHVzcGUwMlN5T0RNQ29idnhlc3ZWamhpOUFuRlUtc3Ntc3pWS3I4ZXdUeHlIZk5CSFgyOG5WcFo4TGp4bEd3VXZCaWpVM21WNGxsWG9NUU9YYlZxZWVnUXZyUEcwQklDTHFNV3VsTzQ1SzNRTHdMRWJGZUhabW51NkV0MEFEeU5TU0lpN0xLdz09 |
Sadly no. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-10-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcXBKUTlma3FNV3ZUYVRncDRXYlJnTURreFBCblpPT1FqWHJPQ3ljc2NkM3pvQWNVVElPc1l3MjZtSk1keXhRTGVSZzQ0Y2NMOVNxUWVlX2p1WklEbXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRjZJWmZ1OE9EdXo5UTUwUGZDNmNwelJEVHNZaXRNWWM0M1ZyQ2hNdG00c0pVZmxDa1B6cUc4LS1wRVRzVUxYNUlxeFZZS0ZSVWE2RmFNMzUzMUhIWW8zM2tsWG05UkNHU2ozeU9BaEV4THoxSHIyeGFqRTFfTkJKYUg2Ri1MZWd3Sk4xdkpMVzh0RGpZWENrQXg5Vk00cF83NzdZNGpuVzVKV21Ja3JmcmlHOXlvOXczeXRhVGpDZllVaDJtZW9MMC1sX05kOGVJcnZ2Rzd2Q1VXWlF5Zz09 |
You sure a KKKlown. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-10-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVURWhBb2VLMXVucUFvdVdTX25XVlFOanlnTGNvcWphOVJmR3RtNjFKd3k4bnZmdTY2NE91RjdmOG1mYXNKR0VTUXpPR0hScDVNOUgtNFBxZnBPVzdqd0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMmZJdUtyT3ZXTzYzVHE1aFZ5MmF1dThpMGR4alJRaEZKeU1POWgtdDdVZE1ka01OTzJud2ZQdjZ4X3F0WnIyU29oc1ZqSHhULUlFOUREQzhkM3hsOWRJZnJ2amNRUHhQekdnTUFqY28tU1Yzb2pIVWs4ZkZYQ1g1ZFpsemFVb21Md2piYTdCTS1OR2wwQ2gyWlhyYU1YZ2l0ay1kRGlLS2I4bzVlelZQM05FUDc1OTlxTmU2d085NW9Ocy10Tko5Sm4yVWZ5NWV3aHNJTE1IQmViLS03Zz09 |
This coming from the guy who quotes David Duke on the mis translation of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. | r/environment | comment | r/environment | 2008-10-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdW81LUVjY2twZm1xc2phMmFsOWJwdmp6OUIxX0NLNWt0MDZpUWI3QkZOZHh2emE1cjdFU3FKTERpMF91Y1RqdjF1OHZnLUhINDd6UEFpajJNc1lUMnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWmpCYzZWVDMzaVVEbkFYcUNORTQxR0xmOFplenc2SjQtT3psMGU4MGdCM2t4VDZWbHl4YjJ3LWM3Y05KbVQ0UVFwSGo0WVc3ZUV6Mi1FZFM5azNhZHlJZEZlTUlTTVJhSm9DY1dpNUdRR3c0SThNcDdGVmt0WXgyTklMUVkxUlBmMjRLUmU4d0FKakN4NGJnaFVyQTNvY3p0LUMtOXlBZm1oSmVmbmN2LWpkZ1d2WEFpUkFVR1VMZGhmV3J3RGx4WW9taWZibEJjeElnZDRKTi1mNHdvZz09 |
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