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[deleted] | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZEp0ZHBtY0h4Y09wZFRpOUl4TlpmRk5UX0RybHlvY0xtQk1lYkYtaVdRMEgxVFlVc3ZHUkJFQVFCalMyXzE4Ui12WUZQem4tV3VBdEUtVmJQVGtqNnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUW9fSmZPalF1UDdDRzJkaV8wNXp1SUk4cDU4S19tdUZLUlVERE5yV0k2YTBVNE5uU0NyQnlHaUtNcGE3cXBkQzN0LTc2RHdrOVhqMkE5NGxnNDJDckpmNDEwcld3Y2tjYWIwSnpISnZ1dkh3ZHhTT1lHbnBzT3N0d1VNaEY4eHlXWjVUNWcyck9ndlJ2ZzJwZjNIcHBxSHhTelBlSHcycnM2OG5keWE0a0hvSVVTYW43VGs0NmRhU1JqbVloUHRQR1l3WmZFSlJ1VWNfVTFFeU8xWDhVdz09 |
"after, some say, 60000 years of human 'singing', many critics feel that this form of art may have gone the way of the dinosaur."
"after, some say, 60000 years of human 'talking', many critics feel that this form of art may have gone the way of the dinosaur."
"after, some say, 60000 years of human 'painting', many critics feel that this form of art may have gone the way of the dinosaur." | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWjREbGhNcUJNVkxNY3Q4YjFtd1F3cWZ3b2gyaWNDbFNzWTZ1bTVKbkJJa3o0Q0JvWnd3aDFzYTJneGlOdl9MNlFIYnFHZDZvMnIyNTJ2Q1E2VURLU1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWUI3ckZnMTcyU2lBbFl3Zm5yeTQwQ2Z1eHJZNlN3b2MybmozM2U4MVZ3ZDdRSU5wTUhJUE4zdUF2M0VpSzkxNnFLSWNmMDhtVUhrYWlUby0tWlRLSnhZZkFVdXlXNUFnS0dWMGs4T0VjRkU2NW52UE5vQVVKSzc3Z1VtVm5rU3ZNZXZwNTdkYlhENUsyWjdDekkxYWdkTkVDNnI3Ny1ERjhEb0ZyOEtnRDY5SmptR0NsUjc5RUZnWEtSdWZoQXpWMWRJMEVadzR5dndFcHVYbWd5aVBkdz09 |
i must agree. but there are some interesting things on the horizon.... | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQUUyRXphM2I0QkVzZ0E5MUs3MUJaNjk2MUhpRkRhcU92RG9mU2RNdHFNS2dPYTFQdDdBQmpVdGNlMmd2dzB2XzlQYmxTQ0cxUFBqQ1BQeFpEQ3BURWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzU2t5V2FYS2FrTHRUVGE0ZjU0cWZqZF9CSTluT2tGZE16STZJeU1UUnppUThVbXF0bFRTb1pzRmJwOV9QaWlGMTNrNEc4WlV6Qy1JQXpzTm10MzYzU0gxRkNGRHFDeU00djVtTEZkRmU1ZEVRcmc1TnctMTRDMkxxMWxUX0dWdmUtOXRBZnItZHh3YlJWd09zeUpGd2t5Q0o1TzFtM0YxXzEweUtpRjRaZU9lcTdDWElSbFpJMkRnMzFxSEFpV2duX2prTndldVR3QjJaZ0Vaei0yN0pfUT09 |
I disagree with smart people. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUaU12RFZJUVlwMEpmRHVKQjRTMk1pTUVVeHNvYWFTM2NJU1ZsX1BCcThwVkRCa0VGRkM4NC1pcXlNRTFZODF4aW1zaUtTbVhVTVJmTzZ6RVVaRTcwRlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUTNxQlVCb2ZIM2Q4SXpHS1lXTTcwTTdTSnZDWFB5bVpNTGhRVnlES0lYQ2NKNlRJbUdsUGhqaWxCd1VwSFN0RGlSOWVYMXFoOGFPNEZFZHFZZ3hxMnlpWnA1anFzT0VUczRlWTVyd3YwOXVTLU4wZnIwaS1WOGNWaEdUZVpBMnV2aEdldUtncl9pSmZfLXZTYm9ZUWZFUlFmV1B3cE0wVFFjQXZqTmN0WUl2bHBVXy0wRFNNa3FYbmhORml0Y1ItWkxvZ3BNN2NtZ1FRN1RBRUQ2T1FaQT09 |
I think that there is more to a work of art than just social confirmation.
I think that in order for something to be considered there also must be some formal aesthetic, an idea being communicated, and the intent of an artist to transform something into a work of art. The prehistoric rock fulfills all of these criteria, as does Duchamp's urinal. The Dadas and the fluxus movement did fight against a formal aesthetic in many cases, but an aesthetic ideal was still present.
Great art also achieves a high level of craft. Many of Warhol's works do achieve a high level of craft. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQmdXV3JUYkZKUWR4RnVPYVhMUXFTMk9QYjRIckwtbV81RTF1ckh3RmpIMFYzNmpHZ3lPckwzR3ZJQmNTNW9tVTYyd2JFQTNuTGhnLTktSTJzQmhwLXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzR1Zpa2pLbzhlRnV5dm83SUJSN1RpWHBlYWU0LVplYy00b0tranU3YkhQTUdWMk5yTlh0aTdIanZNNERFVUJCcXRyQ3BsZTdSZnVjSzdDdWFCY3NLSEpuRG5oU3R4TDNtb1NOa01GV19DbWRiZE1qNWx0NS11SzdaQ3BQbW5UdkkxN3JmSFMxZHFXVEV1eGhicjgxeG1IRGJmUHFGdHVURUpxd25Ia2N5bi1oQTNBek95WndxMFY0cjlvM0ZBVldEaHBrYnVwLXVCQm5YcU5wb2diVHRxdz09 |
[deleted] | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcHNQYkE3SDZUOWVTMHBreFFGck4wc2FVeERWajRQTVNBVXJtYUh6YzlsNW53ZlVnczBQM21IZEJzZzAxQnZfU0ZYY081V2JLb0RKQWgwQ0pjTXcycFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzYllRZUtzUlVBbmt3ZDdyc2J2SGNDSVRfdFdtbkt5MTRFcTVNVDhCNkFwMmpDbW5LU1lKMERKelJNNzlaamVoS2xWRHo2SzdFdUt0OHUzUXdJR2xSVmhRMUU4RWQ0SFluX3VhYWZJWXRuRnpUYXBVYUpOVWpTZ2k0WTA3Yzh6MWdKWmVJVFY2ZDAxQmlpdEFocjd4ZWFlNFBKcnctaS0taG0xTXBzWlAxY3BBNmVnRGJFTEVPUURCMVhSS3hwcHpiNXM1SDNqMFJKUFVWQ19HN2Y4V0RLQT09 |
I hate people with elitist artistic view | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUR1cxUVQ2NVZUalVFZHBlTWladFNJSE4zSXpNWlAwNmJqZXAyY3pNblhJUkZvWWFxWW9vYzBBMUxKOS1Vc1JzWGRhZ1pjeGpaVm12RW53eTJTRENObmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTXhkNWtKeTJHcUJRLUFGcnJBSGJkaEhYLUpJbmFIazdwNHI0X0dpTXZtMG9BRTBmRVdrcHVScEFxZ3Q3ck1MQ0VMY1N2R1MyQU1Pb3RTOGVBbkdqMVgxX2c0Z3Z3bG5lWm5zVU9mQzJPWHZnTy05a1JOTmdFTFZ0UE5uSnVSNW1WWUw0Qlh5VHU0SFE3MkRiVWVfY3ZfVFFNcHhDRzVoYkpfNm1EZjM5alNoekVVUVU2N0FXNUtpaWtPb2lmQ0JROTdiNVJIcklBRkxBMG50Sl83WVp4UT09 |
[deleted] | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdmRvWjhKSkhIbUFOcG1FNHVvNkdZTUZNbWVINU44WWc3X19VbE53QjJXSGRxV3dBQms0c2VRN0lrTmIxaE0yYjZJODFoREhKVjVjS1NycElIWjY3QVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSmpNZDgxbjFnazBfbThoY19HbEo4cGpWR3dRa1NFZmc1WWd4N0EwVDlzZElrcDBmSE9HaEZhVW0tajEtZWxqMW55U0J4dTdnQnloZGhveGh4MjNveXNRYVpWNUVQRHhEY1Bhd0VTX3ZweFp0VmxEV203MVY2aTR4OUVwQm1zeVhJb3NMcEl6VTNnM0ZRUVhKa19DOXV0TXlhd1lzcnFsWUpWRlVGSURkSnU4WHJmSnRPU0V2UFljcjkwQ1g4TGFydUVNM1pPWl9iTUNuZDNYZ3BIeEdZZz09 |
I'd love to discuss whatever the content of that video is with you, but YouTube's blocked here. What does it say? Or better yet, what do *you* have to say? | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUd0pwa3RxQUxBQWEtNWZvQlNXMXE0TmFsQ2JZbWRMdThzUThGYV9iZmJYckQ0dmlRc3BkNWlIMjRCMW1FVFpYbFgya18wUGtieDlRaTQ4S2tyc19qMkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzV0JwdlZSRThVdnhOVWlzM1o1UUlkVFM1eHhPN1lua19JcXFIaGhCMFp0QTF0Z1dTQzQ5c1pfcVBoUTVucUx6azRYVGVpSkV0bGRtQ3dia1RmLUwyY29qLUZocWVwVE5kR1ltVmp5eEltbWk5cGdZNjdyMHRPcThJbWt6NzJOZEgxTG1QQW5yaklVZlVLbURfSFJSVGpFelBUUlFHb3VEX1lpQzMtWE5SZmp3bWlKcDhONW8yTjIxSHI1dXp4cE9HV2Vibks5SnF6YnlDZFdweXhKNm9hUT09 |
this. also, according to warhol, "good artists borrow, great artists steal." | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWnNxbjVKZ3ZkcTdYQjlEenhXbFpFU0pfSzhaSE9DYmxVZ09nckFKSEJxNWRlZFdFWERwWHBwX0FidGlONno3NHJGRVRPVTVVWVc1Q1FvYnJsQ0htOGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzT0tCemdVel8zaC0xa2tycFdzNFFDSFd3cFRfMi1RV3lyU3Y3NmxLeXJKNlV4aXZXNTV4WWVxb1dMLVJibEpQMWFsMlBpUHl3ajVtekx1eEFkc0w2TlBsNWxlNzFzczI4ZTRsTzFMVHMzam82SmZoM3BtdThFb0FfWUtLUXNLamJxbWU0QUU3aTVvcmRsWG9yNWh6bXV3MkIwOXlxelFWOFFPMmNWd2VMcDZ1eHlBbE81Y3JRbDBkdXozb2hpUGowcy15Vl80ano0NlNZR2Jwb0ZIN080dz09 |
i think that was picasso although it would make sense that warhol would use it. and while i agree completely with your analysis of marketing art, i scream against it coming down to that. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZ0xUY1FoVnR1Z0JRNTlwT1BwTGROWEs5Q2tVYktiQXlIbVAxUjZCR1VvLS1lQmJqYTBxdkZ5R3dkb25TRmFMSklXcUhld0Jqckt1QUdhNTRLeUVucmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWXpxa1BuTUJHSUtZc0FUMVZuTXJPYVUyZExpWTNlX0x4QnpFV1VJSXF2MXZUXzZ4eFNEbkFDLVBtU2hNNkpvcEJ3d1lmUUFWaERWV1pWS3dlYkZNUTk4Y0FOc3JlVXo1SDhoMjlKS2k5anRqU1FsZ3pDb2xuS2lzYnlDX3JkNEh5R0V4X1BwOUR6Wlc3bERRRjZidUZkMk84dTRuc0xSNGFJWHBfNk5IRkpFTjk4SXNXSkhWRWI4REtOSFV3a0tsTXFySkdXMVdSaFhaM3pMYkhjWHdRdz09 |
The original question was about "how was Warhol (considered) an artist" not how he marketed or sold it. Art is not defined by whether it is sold or not.
So my brain seems to be functioning much better than yours, thank you very much, considering I actually understood the original question. Douchebag...
| r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUS05jWmhaeGttYWRQQWZndEh0Q3I2MmZ5Q21SVEV2RUViYnlNZDdVVkJMWXgyNDNUYkNiRzVHeTVuaEw0bEtNU1JocDZQbkpPN0hqN2d5ZU5YdmFKVVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQ2hiS055TFN1aERWRkZTMkh2b0MyNFBULXhMLUVmVjdaNFVvbGxudjBsbEQ1bXZhRFdBcGJXek5SUFY3RDAtd0drVEdsZDRSeHJrdTdHOC1MWmhaZVU2ZkhuTUJNdnVJSFFEeUZMaW1uVWtybS1UZ2VjdF9wWnhqVlp5NmhtYlYwYWU0LU9iQlRnMURsNjBEZEhyZVNFWjNJV1RvcFBkOGJhTXRiYWdETFZDcE5GSllPck51OFl1eE1iMjlLZzkwQmVOaHk0UlliSVFiZGkyWHJReE5idz09 |
I know. Everyone should just continue painting portraits, landscapes and still lifes. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUc3ZkUDUyYmJkWER5QVRYOURLZmhXM3JnQVVNMXl1ZlN5Rk1lZDAtSG41aFo1WngxWmxHdkxnMkFITG00MmxrcEVYYTBmNmZuNzFaSXVTZ2piZ3FaTkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWW9jZW1hbjFYcWpDVFRKckc5TTV0MVltVE8ycmRPaVdMdlU5eUFBWU92UUR6Q3o1NWgwR2JCMTRTVkRtLTFJZHFyVndRZ0ZvOV9PdGcwQzE0UnpHd3QwRXBCWnBKeGNfR2xZSF9rZDROelJUeUFjQWNKZzlzSWpOMEpRcWNOUmNxQjdUeF92R0FteXJzUk5YVEo3aGZFejhjZVRTVTh5cU43Qi1OZ0JfWXhvenQ3eVFrQm5sM01lS2NsSm5jMjZIbUFaaC1NN2liczBvcjk1WHh2UVkyQT09 |
I believe (as an illustrator) that Art comes from a discipline that the artist took the time to master and perfect. Randomly throwing paint on a canvas without forethought to color, application, texture, harmony, rhythm, balance, etc etc is not art. I'm sorry, but for years I had to watch my instructors show us examples of "fine art". I was always amazed at how a piece of "fine art" could sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars (without the artist being dead) of the type of work I would get an F for if I were to turn it in for class.
I have been drawing since 5 years old, I'm 35 now and finally perfected my line work, now I moving into digital painting, its a whole other animal that will take me the next 10 years to feel confident in. So it angers me when I see an individual who can't draw anything representational sell their "art" for more than I'll make in 10 years.
I think its a simple case of trust fund babies with to much time on their hands and family friends who can throw away a few grand for some crap that was created with no art discipline in less than a few hours.
Warhol is close to that type of "artist" to me. A lot of hype, in the right place at the right time....but very little actual skill.
| r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZ1A2SnRMUDh4N1JqRzFPYjhUeEtza3Nha0VSRGxFa1N0YlB5WDBLR09IUEI2ODlRWU5WV3JVRFZiVzdoLWViSWRFUnVadC1jR3dmaVp6RGFPRkVpb1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSkhpeml6UUxrc08zS01xVUp6dEVYUkQyZlFLOFRJQU1xVmVNUXMxQnJzVGNwWDFzb3V5d3I1RjlyWHlRNVVwVUo2bExlWGFMb01uTzRHLTczSDZBdVFfS0QzZkh6RHpHWUw0M1JZSllDUlgxZnhJUUdvaUFJa2lGbEM3YzJ3NGRlN0Q2OGFKTzd0ZVFVZTNBMEpEZTRtYS1mY1RPaGlBMlpqNTh6ZlllTk9IQ1RFSlhoaW1TVUNaamFtUFZvY200WmdaM21HZTE4MkJTTFRQdUN6LXpPdz09 |
I'm sorry, taking a subjective subject matter and trying to force your *opinion* on it as fact does not make you smart, or a realist. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUY20zSV9QYThyZzlIYmJSU1VKTWxJMFFXaWEzbzNORHRzUk9mOWZuR3pWU2szNVJabUpxMXlTbkFvcGhQSUI3TGRHQWtDU3BoVGx2SW91eENHSVptWlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzR1N3aXdYWlJvZC1BOEpENXp1X3FEY2pzc3JQYk9HdjNva2tza00wVWRhblhEbUFpQ2ZNcGJia0xwVWhyQ0NJUTN3Q0ExQmlRT2w0OEx2aEkxUDVnV0plQVRQRUxDVkZRLWppLVhJZzUyZklEeG95VjUzVElwY3FNalJnS29JcWk1S2lEUTE5ZUV6UU5jREJMUDlPNEJoeXA0UmZxRnY4a1BJaVRPWGZKNU5FNXk0NlBIUFdORUxtdFktTTVaWTVHV1MwQnZMLUcyLURnUkFxa0Vyci0xdz09 |
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If we are told it is art, then it is art. Imagine an art museum with no writing next to any "works of art" giving a title, artist, and description of the piece. We would just be lost. For all we know a broken toilet stall could be art. With modern (or postmodern) art, there is no real criteria for anything to be art, even intention of the artist is irrelevant. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWjJON052bFZWaXpxRUZXUjQ2WWxlZGZKY0RYb3F6UFdfaXBlTVpXRm45VzdtdVV4RkRiZ2lIdjROb0ZJTTJoQjhtZl9FbWNxOWNYRnoxODg5SnJCUlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRGRHV2JBLTQ0VWxTckVuck9wMEdjVmV0TW1sRklhQlJqNUFfOGRvN1l2WFQ5cHV5TDFoZmdfZFY4bHVSZDBmUEs2LXNoZy0zOE1LUExvY2J6UDFLdUhQNWc5OWFvRGdxcEd0YWlUN3k5dUx3bllrYlZzU0hRX1pjRTFVbFc5cUxGUmNKR2d5cERFb25kd2xSY2hFeThjSjFReWR6dl9rb0cyVUdvVnR5UVVvQ1pyR3N5d2QyVjRYTmtMY25qRVl0WTFZbXhkMEpGZkVNeEs2T2JGb2NiZz09 |
I'm going to agree with you on the fact that perceived value is what makes these pieces, regardless of skill or talent sell for so much. At that level of art trafficking its more about selling yourself than it is your art. Warhol found this and exploited it. In this sense hes an artist. Once again, as for talent, hes no better than a recent graduate from a graphic design school.
However I will not upvote you because your calling people names, when you do that, a kitteh is killed =( | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUUm1rbTFyX1kzUGJBSURRUUtnR2pwWG9xaTlQNWhMWEdKZ1FkRTFpVGppeFVZa1VGQVp4LUF1VW5lU2lURmJ0UUdTdjhNUTAwcWpDQlpjeG9uUmtYM1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSWxXQjR6Q01lSFVvNmc5cHpDdzZxc0xONTZCVG02MWNiby1Zd1hremZLMjZoLXpsbnY1NkRZRVVqc0llcVA5eWg5cVpCNkhsc05zUE5Bbmo5ZE9YV1JORTU3SVZwNHV3b1VFMXhVcXZzeHRhamllZ242WVQ0cnNrVjAzX1MzNlYwZmZtRFdnaHZCSHNpNnpnQi1FWHZ1ZnN2Sy1XNHoxZUVzN1c5cWtzMVpvQW1HMmdLUXVaUmhvX2lURU5ONFgxOEdqRmJRZkRRbHN2MkEwLW9sbXh6UT09 |
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He said he was; therefore, he was. Just like when Duchamp said his urinal was art. It was art, because he said it was.
Neither of these mundane truths say anything at all about whether Duchamp's urinal was GOOD art, or whether Warhol was a GOOD artist.
A shoe is food, if you eat it. That doesn't necessarily imply it is good as food. The same goes for art. You can eat a painting, if you want, but why would you want to? You can look at a urinal, or a Warhol if you want... sure, why not? Well, because they're boring, that's why not. They're not good at doing what really good art is good at.
At least eating a shoe might keep you alive in an emergency. Bad art is the single most useless thing in the world. Well, other than its use to separate fools and their money, that is. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUOXVtSzM5aFpjTkVSY1NvNDFUMG1SR1VwRjlqZ1I4WGtsVnpVbkVKdlczZWpuNjJNZzdRMGpBYmxwOF94NjNCYVZQRkFIcEJScVk0NkxMUnpOVl9kYUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRUh0dWQzNTJLMzVDVEhQczhYRVBPYXk1OVBDREt0YmVtRV95TlRxVklhRklxRmtzR09FXy12OVJBeTYtRVVNeTUtYVZBVFc0YTFSZ09RU2dLenFRQ3k1bU1LMXZ6RDE2bEJaU0JqM2gzNFhWclN6MzF1UTFQb09acEo2dnMwWlZDR0xLSldTazdBdjk3ZWx3OG5mb2FMNVFOcHRydEFUMmU0eExESmVNTDA0NGxtaV96ZHpveWVpQTJLaDJjVWtTTFRsdXFtUTRnREI0aWJtNFpvMnNMdz09 |
I have always been angered by the idea that consumerism and art have become such close friends thanks to Warhol. He seemed just too have sold Da-Daism to big business and ended up prostituting the entire art world along the way. I get that art needs a patron but it doesn't need a fashion as well. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUTGkzUHNYQXJlaWdJYzZpNHVpY18tbkJxcm10eWZCS1FXZUJISENab2J6TkJqMzIwWVFXQXVXRlR5RDZjTzFfN2dQem9GWXhtQllWZlA0R3YwTXg5bFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZ2xlYURPSDNfYmpqbTVuMU1FZDFOZzFjUEFaczUxZjVYa3V5aVQ5bzR1RE1mdWt4WFM3Y3VPaUVpeW5WLW1ydjJrTG5hak5IZEJxb2NJekFrV0VTakVDd3Y1amVCZWVGdl9wSWstS1daaEt0bHZYUnRWcmRLa0JzbUhKQVFhcjk1bWt0V192cFNGMm12RjZZZ2RDc0hrdHJoMjB3WWFid0tjVEV2VWlrdUNPTHhWblh5TE1TWERSQlp2cDE3ZktiNHJPRGpKdmR2S3lRSHUwVmNYOERTdz09 |
also, plenty of smart people agree with him/her. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZjJsZEpURTBwU1dWUmJQbUUxQ2daYWlUemx3d2hEaWxKOEJPaGx6NlBiTk1QU1ZpX3hXOHRpVW0tUVp0dGczRkU0MU5BZXJYOFVKckdnQmZmaEh3QlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMk5JcHdtN1JIQWp3REY3UUhXWjBSV2J4X1BNUDNnS3RBYUNCZEJVUmltTGJ3Qmo4Z19rOU0zQlRNM2NFQWVDa1lvNlg4ejNKeFVaY1FUcFVkMzVpcFpqQVNXU3l4eWJRWlRhNGI3bl9HQV9jTlVRdGZueVRTQTFyVWlkUFJGenBra19xS3JEc0d4R1Ywc1pUTllocFFxcjJpeWdNOW9uVWhOSEZKQ1U4WHJrR0hheTlQOTc3OXN4b3NrSExodENVblFxT2t6QW9PS3UtdWtCS3dkbHB5Zz09 |
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yeah, i think it was picasso actually, though i do remember learning about how warhol brought it back, in a sense. the man has essentially stolen almost all of his great work from other artists like rauschenberg. oh yeah that wasn't my analysis i just agreed with what seinkonnen was saying. and i'm totally on your side when you want to scream against it. problem is its hard to scream against a squall :-/ | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUY2Zjb2dqTzNDUklJWU1FYlpKN05CVjBGR2pjV0VpZ09VSGNVYmhWc0UxbEIxT1hpRm5KZ1R3TGpmcWFhU3FBcV82elRUd015NEljc1p2UUQyc29iaVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzX2pIcFEwcG91a2UxaldpSGQ5OG8wQU56aEFmOGpzUTYtZGVSSWluUldXcEEzNmg5SlBkYVctMFpGY1VKN092dFR3Uy1nR0lMSFp5X1FnYldSWGN5S054ZHF0SWZBV0d2aFd2ZTBLTEJuWHNBa2RTb0U5TGdpUFowVE5uemVoeUlFWUF1RWE4MXMyNFVlazY2aHNodVB5R1RsX3BQLXJHSnZrS0hRWTJWcnRJRGRtVU5zSWQ0R3duUGFqUW5JaE9EcnhjYjl0eERQYkxEc09qUjZxR1VSUT09 |
"and this fully satisfies the OP's question. Pay attention."
Actually, it doesn't. It doesn't in any way explain how Warhol is considered an artist because it never talks about the art (which is kind of the whole point.) Profiting from art is just something a lucky few get to experience. From your argument I am more of an artist than Warhol since I am a graphic designer and I have had countless more projects sold than he.
"The price tag on a work of art is now very much apart of that work's appeal."
Appeal has nothing to do with whether something is art - sorry, you failed again - post mod artists have made money selling cans of their own feces. Where is the appeal in a can of feces? Is it art because it sold? Is it art simply because the creator labeled it such? We could argue about it until the dawn of the human race and not reach an answer that everyone could agree on.
What is or is not art cannot be defined on some message board by tech geeks over the course of a day or two. There wouldn't be any need for people to go to school for 10 years to get a Phd in art history if that were the case.
The ability to sell art does not make one an artist. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUNUxMMWZ4Q0h1SFk0WFpHSGg3cGFZVk9UaTNEWFJiY0h5bjVwQmRDR2tWSjd3VUxwVm4tNXh4UUlnSUJ4dmY3MnNueGxIR0s0UmhNS04wMXByRHluUmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzam1QM3haNTg1T29TZWhCZzRSRGpVcm1iYlFBRndRaGdyUmxXS1h6bGFHdXg3NGswNkJKYU11VkVwaEFTZTZEWkRwaW9CRHcwanAzbDZMSjB6c3l5RzR3WEFTVURYaGMzRWpvd19neDRndmZZTEpKamNteFZPQnk0a2txbzF5MEROcVNJM0J4clZGdV80UklHVWFjRWtkeHluSEtrdzFwUkU0SURFR3lkZGNZcVZOcy12eWIwNXhpdWJZaTV1dmpqMDUzNWVyZHFIZXdnV2JJenJ4OW5mQT09 |
What do you mean by "an idea being communicated?" Something can't look nice just to look nice, it has to convey some meaning?
Also, ditto on formal aesthetic- what is your definition? | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUaXcwZE9MakpjREw0VV9lRTh0UndpZWhhWlRZMENwTkh5c2dCTHlZOEp4bjVrakpQR1p0dUJQUHBhSUI2MHBfNEI2RTdnSHdOSExYdE04VWVzV3NvTlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUWh6Zk54bTA4WHNnbmZVZUE5dTFNelU1bHFmSzItM0NmcndjYTV2TTk3eVhWdnE5TlVRVzNzdi05UDlPaVZxanRiQWFjSjAydVlqamlwczFhbGEwWW1aSlZpZUZ2TGZ5WDJZc1hNYTNNdWZtUnNKOERtYlBQWGRQTUFSdGhjSU1QQzdqbm9mcVpFa1BJSE5mY2VUQ2gwS2k4YXY1bVVXSjhVd0VIcU13a3cwdEs2ZHViWmU0azVCZTVvcERRbW1WN0QyX3I5ZGVlZHpid3dDQUItTi1RZz09 |
I'm sure there are, but will they be "turd in a jar" interesting? | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUOFJjODd4R3FtQWp1OTZGUzEwOUh5VmhXQmEwOWxxaFdYRFQzVFgybHpaNTQ3Q185NjBFdDhsd0xDd2MyLWxnU1l2OUhxMlBVSjI2UTJwQVBENTlwU0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQ2Yya0ZGZlpQdXB5TnNMWWRkemxPWFhmYjN4ZjFfdUNYS0Y2TVZfRlM0Mjc2RHdzQUJ2dDc2UEowRGRoZm9XQkVRVExIWVl6WEJ0QTZSOUhaNVBqVnVwNF9rTnM3eGswbTVCM1E3OEJhREFDV204c1RJTVJuckQxOXVFWFgyeFlBV1Q5d2NjLUg5NkpJSmQ2aFA4UmhGbWFBZmdtS21GTzNIYk1Oc1Z5VUhyUW5xMUxyMWp1ejVQODZST2dQa2l1UmE0anplaG5GSUoxSEVYaDktYW1sdz09 |
lol i *sure hope* so!! | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUa3JrX1BBb0U0dFRGZmZwclpLVFR5b3cxU1RfNU9NOVNXcHp1N2lCYjFXajdUSFpGMDlVWGRTVUoxdTRiaE9oTmJJTW4tQW5yOTR1OF90UzZPRE90Mmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzS21mS29HZVVVeDAwVlFSeF9WWEtyRDZEbzlhMWpSMWQyNUpVUnB4bER5dDRjd3FJYk9pMVpNZE8yMkRLWVNlRU9abHNWaWFzTXhGRU9kQXlPQ1JvZ3dHY0lWek96M0pBREZwNUZvU213MmtOZ0ZZa2ZuZ3ozd05GdUVZVXRjRU55V1lJV2Z6elh6ZFF0aFBvZkYzdXRDbFVlVExpR0dTTlg0MmdtMU9meFJYMzBNSGNrM2lkOWlqMF9lMHU0ZXUxbFpKMG5abkhiVXBrMlZ1Tm5CTFlpQT09 |
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I don't see why not. He worked all day and all night for most of his life creating then later producing artwork. The only drug he ever took was a mild dosage of speed so he could stay up and work. Very much a workaholic. (his body couldn't handle anything more than that)
Though much of his later work was completely put together by others, he spent all of his time devoted to his job.
If you look at the entire catalogue of his work you might find that he was insanely prolific and also a really good draftsman. He had a very unique way of illustrating things.
He was also a great writer imo.
The aura that he created about himself being nothing and/or a fake artist was all done on purpose to show the world that everybody is an artist. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUOEVEdWFRS21XTFE0SHJqdlloMlZqS0RKNGR5cFdZUUtzanpmOWNfV3NjeEktQWl2TFYtSEdra2dUbTEwY1laRjlzMFVWX0hvR2pNclFyMlFfZVpXeFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUXFPWkh3eDNNQ1RIM1RVNWdFT0E0NmhTZ0lfVVlhYTRvWnJwQmRzLU1WV2dyQlgwa296bk9EbTgwRnZUUTVWeWlhNnFxc2FqWElFVEhILXFZWlBPNGJ0aDB3UWRRcWNaRGdDWnhiU0tpeGczR2xqcllkWmx3dkM1bzBUbkgxYlo0S1FrRVF4NzdjSUxMZW5WSnlZc0hoTmc3WENjZE5KUF9uN2tFV0d1TXFUNVZUQURqWDctTENRZzBWcnZhSDNSLW5pYTdSeE1odmh5XzVxNzByblJBZz09 |
I find it interesting that the manner in which his art was physically created mirrored the way the objects he painted were created. For example, he would crank out soup can prints like an assembly line (often people helped him, ie the factory) which mirrors the way soup cans are actually made.
Apply that idea to his portraits and the whole facade he played in public and you'll def need some time to think warhol, his art, and his followers over.
So yeah. It is art - should be obvious if o.p knew anything about the guy's biography. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWExRSC1HMW42cE5KZ0lFUU0ySEtvZzRFbVJ0LWNxZWpiTFJnTVQtZDlKQ1NpeDRwU3RxTGRoa19Mb2x2eUpXcEFVUnR5dHhYMW1YTkdDdFBwVTBiWVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRmhEaG5GakRmSlNjc2x5UkVaMGJvaWpuTEZpYW1rOUoxUlpHUTFJakhpVGlEZWdLX19qYURHc1RsZ1RHVWxzVEpyNXlSRThoc2NoNDhTenozaFJnRkNtMTFSQ1IxM3FSel9yZVpZbmhOemFRY2M0UlY0V0t3MWJDU2xFRTRCVmNRdWlkX29iRlVITVhQY3RFNnV3TlppQVBESGE2N0RrdmNkekFuWTVmWVhfaTBBS2xZa0hONHlDd3BlbXRoaXVzemRaMWROUjg5djlqVlVnQVJpVUVsdz09 |
If you look at art in a historical context you will find that one of the main purposes of art is to communicate ideas. From cave paintings to the bleeding edge of the contemporary art scene art is used to communicate ideas. If id does not communicate an idea then it is decoration or decorative arts. That is why we have classifications like decorative arts.
Formal aesthetic is the arrangement of things like color texture line shape form and value to communicate feelings like movement, rhythm, balance, contrast etc.
An aesthetic judgment is subjective, that is the reason that op posted this thread. Lots of people love Warhol, but many think that is work is crap. But it cannot be denied that a formal aesthetic was in mind when the art was created. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWTU0Y0ZNb0lRdm1RZmxJRFJDVVFldEdLNEhmS19OTUNCbUU5TmU1akNBMF9mcFJLRC0weGJXLV95c3dhYXZ2NkhWRDRLZWo0enFJWEY3TktrRHoxeGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzU0NOdlg2SkdqcTdDNWNObmtHM2pOUnBMbXAzdTROalY2NVRLZldQaEtSeWpMbmlHWjNoT3Y4LVo0aHpGdjloazJVRkFCaDFocEhhOTNrSkNUMHdaRmFwWXBldk5MRzJtYkZSLXlseVhYYlZaLXJ3YlhrZEpORDEwcUxJb3BLYW1VLXpubjgwbXlLRnBBeVpDWXpyR3RHNmJEeWU2ZHRkVnNzWmpaNUxoeHNDbWhlT3o5ZmJhYjc5Yl81X1R1dlJZeUVBYjBVTHNLNnZNXzFDaGNhdHI1Zz09 |
Honest question: What is your definition of artist, and in what way does Warhol fall short of this definition? | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUbzk5Q2ZYZVN3X1BabVlzc1NFdXdrZ2xncEsxaXZUYWRQd1duUjc4Z2lzMTBwLUxJTWZoYTBtNHBrRWg3MzZxNUdOR2dRbWhoaVFEVXV2M0UxbXZXTHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzU29USzZJcnJQbkMzQTZGU1FHVVEzU2MxUlBVeWUyT1pqMTVnc1JxaU1Ib3ZXNE9IMnNCUnN2cXFESkJwM0FVcE80b1lJSDZMeE9lX1Y0ZXNIdjZSLTRZN1o2T3FYSEZUWTZUVHY1Y3FaRXlJSzVvMEc0VVo0M1N6dXdabURPSGlFcmU4MW9xSnZOSG5BejRIUWVhcWZzRVA3MVl0MnFFQ19TdlpTalU3R1l1dGJXajJfVVhBMFRUU0c2bzl3RUJzLXJOUkFvOHhCYkFkQzhmWXU1VkdNdz09 |
just the same problems i have with him. when one must resort to mass production of pop images to be different (because it *was different* for the time, homage to duchamp), doesn't that suggest that there is no other way to be different? a rough way of saying: its over! | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUTkJPOEptbXJOU2hwSVVFdHMyT3dmWmh4ZmtEb2d1cDNGWGpmZ3YwaW44VVpHY29YZ3VwR1NEaUJvLXdpZFZ4OVZNSlZWUENsWnQ1WnBMNU1jZ0N2dHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzM0pxVF96SHBTUWg1WlBIRktaVlI1NTJxRHNBbklGaEtmemRpcFplLU1aSUVKMUM5bk82anQ5dUhfMWtLYXE3My1uRzU5Y3gwQ3lkVmNuczRLdVhFM2F1XzBLLUc4RTVxRU05OXZVY0tXNERNNVlyS1hNVU14Vkl2OTZLLUVqTGdVU1dUU0tYVHZZa2VEZXYxeV93S1Z3VE9ScHRPeEZSQ0JMbU1CTjR1dGJuU2xCMGdXVlVrOHBTUnAwdWxTV3VYcFZCdWg3YXJSOXE2LVFQT0RFblFGdz09 |
>Warhol is close to that type of "artist" to me. A lot of hype, in the right place at the right time....but very little actual skill.
I agree. He was a marvelous salesman, but I never considered him an artist. All sizzle, no steak. I think he knew he was bullshitting everyone, and I think that was what he saw as his art -- bullshitting the gullible. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdlZINTVyQldmdXU0cEVySm9OaVJ5eFJCNkMxR1ZGdm4wYVM2TlIydC1hTjhhZm9zaDhrTlFzSTZJNUJYOEJ3STFYOVdUc2REb0wzWlY5cE5IY1A4T0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZXYxUUhDR0s4OS1XaXg0djVra3dBTXNrc1YwYjdIOXFKZWVtTC1rNldfcEhnTjJXVGxEVHNlWnFGc1Y3bnVYdmxvQWdXNG50VENVWjIwcHBDeWR1bzI5YWFxRDZjUlFhcHBkTkdqTnp4YWdSVmFqZHJtaGJqV3kzVW55VXpnd0l1S1NlOGVVSVgxZjNxQnRfRXUxdDVFcEZJMW1oaGVJa2ZINVgwVVdGVjBXQ2JvTlpvTDVoNHVWYjNNdGNHTm10SzN2Q2pYc3NCMEpBcU9FQXFzVnVCQT09 |
If you ever get a chance read some of philosopher Arthur Danto's stuff on warhol - it will change your entire perspective on art. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUTHEyWC1zRnVQYjVhVGFTMFNXTldvbG14WEhocnRZZUpoX0Q2cnhLQlZtN3UxM0swSEs4bDlIYzMxd0lKbG1jdy1GQXZoU3RkUlNONkVFTHEyclpyT0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWkJrNmRvekpDVjE2THpUeFhBLUFwNWJ0RVZWYzEyY2FDYVRXcnkwbDF6VEJNLWVldG4wdnA2aGhhY2F0MDlJYW1jQVp3N0pHZl9OdnVxVi05OVBzZDA2Y0JQLWRVVDRYSXRHeHNic2FWMDNTLUhGNHgwYjBPSmIweWJPdlluOWd3bEZwM0NWZE1sZkdicUw4aXo0aTFKc1AzV25MRUZidEdCZjRoU2NrSTlqMzRjUkhJT244cE9rbV9pSWZjYVBfM2J5N1dfeWVNOWEyMWo5TUdWd29Zdz09 |
Uh Warhol was a master draftsman dude.
He moved from ink and paint to screen printing to video etc
He also worked for an unholy amount of his day, every day, almost his whole life. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUNmVFOGNmTUt6RG00c3dsS0ltZGdqTDBvc055SngzcjZVcFZSQndKLXNaWkxQZmRMa1dsTk94dnpydlQ0dFV2c1htY3N6TExxTHpOMXRieW9DcEZJWlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSHJ6TjZhY256UXZRWVNvT2lRM0k1RjhRS01yT0V1S3B6Zkx6aUVkdV9VRUJCbTlrNVNkTXZPOWl5dWhsYzRzQVB4VmlJQm9KaFZueWFpVklXc2dxZjBfMTlhZldodUFXQzFJNnFYWHVCcUY2bDRwR3pqUVh5YzQ1Z05JSWJQeEdKdVl4S1dBTWZIWEl2a0lOcmxCbENpVUNzOElkSEUwQ3lybXVSZm5TbmJJYlNfbWZDM3J3UmhGdDlPSmhvVW5fNERDcEFwR3BDaDlfN3M5M2VNLUk3QT09 |
He is not. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUMW9MOW1sMkFJNm1Bb3lBQkM4aTVRdGJCMlg0Rzk3LUNNbG1ITTFtNXV5RUUzN0YtclV0dTA3anNzZkFZTE5TRWpGZFM2VUtLYkJxNTI3dkRIS1QtWXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzeWc0UjRnWm5Zc1djcUUzOGNJOWk1MGNJSGVWM0pFVmt3aGJIdV9QZmxEcEtoQzZpWmUyMEJNdWgzOHlDTk9iUFVucjJNejZocmxFZDBySmhOR0Z4Q0ZRZWt2WVREZUYzcHBQRzJKcUJRTnVSemJTaVpMNzFXRHZzLXVyZ0U0clExUFRNTVJCeExXSkRaVEd0NHJEeDJWWE94WTEzZUpmcnFsUDR3QWplbzZobkFBU0dEbWZBMWEwOEJiU0luRm9WV0Z6bUlVWHh2UnNDREdyUWFka1BRUT09 |
So why did you offer up that example video? | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUV1BXeHNBaW9jSG5RNTMwbmtUTkdBbFg2cWp0QW94NU1oU1IxbkxLeHM3bzkxRjJSdlNmaDg1WkJTWGs3N0tUQXpxcERWQW5iY2JrQzhNYVJ5RzVHYVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzaHhaWHVtNmNqbmRxdTlTdDl3VG1SOUd1TEkyTk94ODJoSEdKRzE4S2FJV2NzZmRJUUwtaTBnSUJvcng3V2Y5dXJzTHB1X1huMVBJQnQ1SW42bm43Tk1OV1R6T2Z6YUI3UFVaLUMyaGRTSG9aU0Y0eGxvaF9WdXNSYXR0TXFsYml2cWhSQklBamZOUkU0Y0NQSG9CdDUzdlpJVm1JWDRyTDJqWGpuRjVCTE9LR2ZvbmNEaE5CZ2s4bGxfVFIzeS1WR0lfWC1BOWRuakh4VzMwblhtM3JWUT09 |
Ok, I see. I was defining art as being "all arts" (including decorative arts) while you are focused on non-decorative arts.
Sorry for the questions. I only have a couple of classes in art theory I took a few years ago, so I don't know all the formal terms. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSkliM21Ka2lHUlhrN2pUVE9VMVRYUjZXTXZnT3NMNWhsM3ZlaWR4VHFlVkdLdUYydVJiRkw2bWxyNk1WQUMwWXVLYzJVSlNXdFpUcmhnUklaTGhkZ1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZFdlbXlxd1F0ZjQtSlMxeXJUM1dyODZfTzNTMnhDMUg4bkcyV181U0ZKeHJpaHRlcWN0bG4yTGthN19YY25Tb2xFUGk1ODFrd211aFQwNTN0LUk0RW15SEs3THlCdzZQdGY1alpUZVRVSVlIOWJkYjlhVkNBTkgyTDJhVHJwa2dNTmhoajF0VXlia0ZUb0swWWdOcUZiZXhxcThSaE1xbjhwV2wwZFpWMTR0UWRRRks0RTNicVNoNU9DVGRQRDZTcERLc1Z0bC1vMXVUZUJyMFJNdFRBZz09 |
Really? You honestly don't get it? There's not much to it. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUV19RVW15YXhpaUJ0S29Gb0d2Nk9aNzZteU9kcW5McGEzMXQyTFc2VEdaa3BWYWh1NTBpR3NtMENxY3F6Rm5kaU1VUTdPS3FtSW91NnVIT1dwMWlfb2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcUR3aFRsSzZ3UWRVLVJlYlVBZklwczRoUUlxZHlKWi03ZVhUZzcyem5rZnVFOWRFU291blU3SHVvUUMxNWk2TndvVE1LNGFEd2JoS2lHdE9wN3N0cERoUWhVRkUwZEZ5WW4wUFV2WnFDdnB2MFZXMWp1d3NRdUdiRTFqeVRqOUFJUW43Z3M3bGdneUxjckJ6RXV6Wm1aa2NJUGYyaC1oaGFralF0TVlld3h1N05fcFU0V0JzbEFzay1qb2VlQmpKd3VIdE15X3YyTFBLaWI1STd5dXN3QT09 |
Perhaps an analogy to explain my position? Both The Beatles and Milli Vanilli are artists, by a very clinical definition. Yet one of those groups is considered world renown by their skills and talents, the other by hype and promotion....which one has better art? I think the answer is obvious. So can Milli Vanilli can be called artists with the same breath as the Beatles?
My point is just because a piece sells for an outrageous amount of money, or an artist claims super celebrity status, it does not equate necessarily to talent or skill or even art.
Perceived value should be perceived via talent, skill, reputation, usage of fundamentals, peer review. Those who sell their art without these are con artists selling themselves, not their skill.
Good conversation so far, I've had this discussion so many times with friends =)
edit: corrections to sentences | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUMnU2c2d0bDA3dEFIY2dHOHBLcHdiZTEwYV9ja3JGcGFaaFlPRWx6UnVVbmlacnhmcFpzNml2UkRkcXNVUlBodXBISFlHVXpvSnVMVnUzZFhhUElhMmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzM0E0NF8wTEthRkpUNDBJT0pZWVI3em1RWHdHS2NXc0c4TEgyUDVRX0xzQjlwaHVIUWZRQkwzNzhlbkxkSzVJeWc1N2FEMUJZMFFlUnNuZHdTcmhrbEtqdTV0SGVrM0dmQ25BaGIyQ1JEdHFuRVNQXzM3ZGZINE14WjZVelZKbEswMHF2NDB2akRnelBfSE56OHV3LVZBOHlhV2VJS3hncFRtZFpyYjc2cENrSEtUNTU1ZlhPRHZ4VGpiMzgzU1VST1d3RXpqYnlLemN4NEx5akUwY2tkQT09 |
[Seriously?](http://www.kottke.org/08/07/the-most-beautiful-suicide) there was obviously a fondness for the image. You don't sound like much of an artist nor one who can appreciate it. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUUHluRzVHNzF6V054bGd2LUZyMFBIWjd0VkYzSkVPVXY2SjM3WDlPMjAwcHllMEN2amhhQ1dJWEJkZUMzc3ozaUlBTXNpUlBGYllOeEl4dVRuZDhpSEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdTQtYy0yRmRQU2taemtTamlEWFZkemR2VF9XbGxaZmRGN2FrSFV5RVJlNTJhTm9jSHVQaFlvdEsyc29Pc0U2d2FTNmhpV2lmelVqbGt4UEc5alR3dHlXY1U1SjVsa0NyeHNNYjRFYjE3TXZiZGg5NUl4MTZaUWZkYWoyMEZ5X3Vucm5lelNaeUNxNE1uLXBUY19ULWRvSVNYMHNIcVVRT29Fd29xOWx1WG5fUTBaeF90RWRBcnhBM0V3U0FELXN4YWFwMnA1akItN0t3MDZEeG1la2FFUT09 |
He was a master at doing portraiture. He made millions doing it. I think it was $3k-6k for one and he would do a bunch of variations and then either destroy the rest or offer them for a little more as a package.
He was one of the most incredible self-marketers and selflessly built up his empire. Too many artists aren't concerned with variation or changing their styles or even selling anything. Wake up you bastard children hoping to be artists. If you want to be an artist you must sell your stuff. If you don't sell your stuff you are just a poor person that spends time drawings stupid pictures, no matter what they are or how good they are.
Also don't forget that his images weren't scanned into a computer and manipulated. He did photo emulsion, took liberties in color, application and size. Variation and experimentation were key. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdkttQlFsaEdtOXhKb0hIMGZBdWRubjY1LUdKcXJVdmZ0WU0wSUNSbjF5WGNwRDlMSGViNjcxVEF5LUs2cW04QldzNTFBYkZUZEJWcFlPbDAxMzZKc1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzXzBNYzNPX3loeDQ1QkV1d2NxVjdiWmhBYVQ1VFdrRHBCb1hidlVQTVItRkRsQWVibkpJSkkxWFg4SnAyZl9iUHdMRTZkbXVlaEUzdnRPZWZnZVJ0a05adE1vVXdmSjVqelhLakMtcVM5NVdOMGdpaV95OW5zLUpxN1dZenM1cXhvX2s3ZW9UUTRFQkUydy1rek5yTm9CNF8zelY4aGoyMWxidWVSM0o4Q0VtbnNxN2hWRTEtOGcxVHo0RGxXZ0d6dFJjZzl1ZlhQNkpsX2NxWWJ3OUFzZz09 |
Composers of films do this too. They provide a sketch and then an orchestrator and copyist make the parts, orchestrate and do the rest of the composition work. This is common (williams, glass, et cetera) | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUU3VMMWxVYlpWTC1TUkJpcHcwa1FQcnhBMFcwRVNzQWx1TjVLZC1tSnBDN2dqZHhmVXdJMDhNYi1PWTFvcmY2NEktV0pnUUFkNmYzSDhuT0dNTDhJUGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbHBXU1VzbUZhZEk3TDlsZDUySUlVS0dOSWs1V1RmdnFsSklKS2VSbVBLVE80bFJ2bTRxd1VYckNKckUzX3diMjRQaDl1VjFzYi15blNOVm1EQU14ZWVCcFZ0Y2F6ZWlTa2dyN0JaMW5Dd3hVYUJqN2ZHZ3NsWWItVjg4RXVYXzluZmVSUzBjeElrQXo2R1VpaGlRTVpGYy1nSjNGbVVla2gzclJNdk01ZE9Vd3FPNTNJSS1zektlcHJYTFZFSk5VenFoeVRmRmFVTDl5R0QxLTVRMTNzZz09 |
To add some history to this, briefly, it's worth pointing out that the move to conceptualism came primarily from Duchamp's Urinal. The chief aesthetic question before Duchamp was "what is beauty?" The question afterward became "what is art?" The natural line of thought was 'process' (i.e. through what process(es) does art ensue?). Warhol and The Factory did a lot of work with just this question. Repetition is impossible to omit if you're focusing on process (although the great example or repetition would have to be Monet's Haystacks).
Thus the concept behind the piece, as tenzing42 points out, legitimizes the work, while the artist's virtuosity is expressed solely in terms of a repetitive process (thereby at once deromanticizing it, and redefining it in contemporary terms). Jeff Koonz is a more contemporary example of this. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUVzBUM0VoaTZlX29TWXp5UXF1eFZvY2ZKNndiNkt4dENVY0lHXzZ6X245VWFqYU9LV25WdUNLSk1wM2dqZVR2eENpNGxsZHQ4Y19tdHVoN3kybVJSTEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNGlfRkZOQnl4b1lDdlE5NS1NbDFkMl96ZU5iSkhselZ4a1RMQUdrNHhRTV9VQ0NIM3BtRVB4RHpEMFU1NDdpSU5xemlpd2RRaGE4cnhEd0JqbXFFX0FPOXFVT2QtMTk5Zmlndnh4NmtrWkluNmszWTkyR3JMQTgyZWREamI3eVo3LVM5cTQ1M2pGSDJNWEVieE80UllRejhaX2FkSXViaTd0SWd6b1FyTEFtUFcyOXE3T0h3U2ludEh0c2RkSGlzcU5GUzN1aDdzV3B6dDgyLXdtQlA0Zz09 |
Sell some paintings, then go back and read books about people that made illustrious careers selling paintings. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUVkctZ0JlOU1lS1cwTDFKX21WaE1TeVhyT2h1QWRnaFMtZzduLWt5WXJsU2pEWS1qeVRpX1JTVmMtT0tpcElqVGpxMEg4RjhKMUFLX2ZIZ3NTdWp3RlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcTRad29OZEJKb3BJckt1ZC1iaWd0SHJHNTZNd0h3MERuU0E4VjU4NFFIQVBYeEVFVnpTU1hJSFpGZVlXbWR1T2VVaGVfdnVwOHhxQm9DeUZQbEhCSVhSUkMtaHBfc3VZODF6bDhteFBURFIzQXUxYnJZVkl2aDBtZng5ZVhRWDNZektVZlNFYk82d0ZXdXhPOE5YY2cyUE1VZUNyNFh0dnJKMHlHbXJRUldZdVkwMVRzdVE5T2J5V20wbUJNeDd0SXdSUEVmUTBrQlB4aFJhS3k4NktEQT09 |
He just noticed it and parodied it. Artists make money by doing design. Look at Mc Escher. He was a print maker. Artists can be pure artists and sell things they personally design, or do the work of others. The argument that Warhol is not an artist is stupid and inane. He was an artist merely because he said he was.
Any new fangled web graphic artist is just an artist that makes stuff for other people. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWm55RFRGbTYzdE5vbUQ4LWRDRnlfTy1kMnFyUkw1eV83ZjVTeVFDekJQaElJU3YzWEJUWXR4R0dfVVRhSEhMOF91TUNQemltRDVXRkF5d2Zzc0pGd2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzV21CUzhUZWpfN3ZoVjFvQkIyYVJmOVIyYjlCWmtuTV83QmRhdlBQTEY0OGl0dkVJaEowSW02QWU5UXlRY210Y3E5M3B1ZERlSlp2bFp6RnNZUU1uYUFWZWdEY2VpZXpWQzFXWHAtT3ltRjNQVlV6cFVJcmFPclBKMmZVMG16VklPd3Q2d3J2ZDlXeVltV3RDSmV5T2NMN1ZVeU1KRHVMWlZhTjFDb01tQ3dNRGdGRUhnc3lkY1FzWkJON1dQLUxjZzJPNXp1Q2NHbkJpMmFPM3pXWnJXdz09 |
I'm not saying the guy wasn't committed or into it. I'm saying that he had a long way to go before he was propelled to celebrity status.
Many artists go from medium to medium, some types can go from one to the other without losing a step. I can draw people and animals for example, and since I trick the eye on paper to project 3 dimensions its easy for me to move into sculpture. I'm also employed as a graphic designer, but those skill sets allow me to drift into photography because I have the universal fundamentals of design to draw from; composition, rhythm, repetition, positive and negative spaces. So Warhol going from one medium to another is something every artist does at some point. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZmJ1QjdaeEQwb0JMVUt3bEdKVE44VDBHd1Jubk9PSVNka1NHdjZZaVFLcmFPbks2N1dxWEV1eWZhLXA2aGxrcERfNXB1Y2h3RzZkTGYzblUxeHdGbVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzZmlqbm1uaTluMUltcXp6R1VJUkoxWl9BMkNBUkRoY2hEMEdYd01RTnZIaVJ6VU5TTzdqamZqOVA5SXM3TmYyV21udEFsZTRPeGRCaXlaSlNkMGcyN0hOWnE1X2t3by1xZzd5UlZYX3RpODdpYlJoYUR2RGhYVWpJclpJd01tOHRubkYyQS1BSkRncmdlY3AzZkJqR3RfLW5ibWl4RjE1NWRvMmNOMlczdkpVT1o3VVN6US12VTR0NWlubXhzRkJSTUhPRnJkaWUzQUtiUkh1MUU1Z1J2dz09 |
He sold stuff. You obviously do not. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUTk0zUXJudFZ2dTVINzFkOWZXVnhSMk5zRDZVZG9EWDltemM0TWZSODUtYTNQR2cxejlIRFRTY1QwVDBPQng4RUlsQk1VUHBoSVpmNVNxQTBQbVJ4UFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzWWFweE0xc1ZwWWd3UGFMSmhJUUVzeWJRdm00TlJqVTJncmRRLWRjdXVoN0RZSEN5VEd6NG5RRmJ4QlNpUW9XSlRoQmlvdm5GNDFRNVAxYUZZZnFscmR5R0pOWTRteTkxT3lkUWpNU0lPYUViZENMbmx6WE1xR1M3eTQ2SWpqWVZmN2c1NWFEeE05eUFGd3dqaktvUUpGdkdZOGRhZHA1ellfRVNKcWszU0YyM1dZdGhCWWkyaDlPbXNEVF9XOEUtNnJLS0FsMkdMdm9UNVEwdVhWODdQZz09 |
in this sense he was a master. Social engineering his perceived value to the "in crowd" at the time. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWHBzeF9IR1hwbE1CazNSamdJalpfcEwwTXhVSkY5Z3RVRHhjdWFNdUJYVm9XNUlfdlVHYjhXY1FyQ0RVemY3ay0yNWx4Nzd4OHBINWNFb3pBdHctR0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQUlWcVdfMFpBel8yN1I5TE5wSE9UNkEzd2pvNUdiZ1d3cVZva3BIMGV3ZGdpOWhra21hZW9US3c2VDktM1JwbW9MVXl5d2RHWmkxLUdtUVJfczJVblU2MlhReXc5ckZpWGxTQ29OblQ1T0dLeGZoNWpzNV8yaXRBRGVmYmJRNkdBRzJDNEF4NktJZ0xjdzlkdjNvQWFoRjBQVUQzM242U0YxTUlzRE1BeE15c1ZFUkk4dkRKVExwUFlaMjd1WUQ0TXI5TkhULXhHNlc0aGpXcmJ4Mnh0UT09 |
Yes I've sold plenty pal. So OBVIOUSLY your a troll | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUX3hFOG0wLWFJSUs0OUZBOEV3Vi02RnN2djQtSkV1VktqeHN6S2pqNnJFV2V3TTZfZnBZSGliZnNnRDBpUkxrSWhlS0U3bVFEUkNKX2JLLWw5SlBTcVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTkhKR1o5Q0xTc1cweFlmQVBuYlZRdjZqT01tVTYzY2dUODJ4dDNLYU5QaC04NEVIcW85M0lWaEtITFR6WHMzM3RkNDctLU15aVZrNDhfSF9HNXRYQWwzZkFTVWN2UUUtalNpbHVibGJ0cGF4MmpmcEFXTnd2VHVxOG1TUTRwRVJCMF92X1BhaHhCam5xRGRrMWhwZFRKdzVqMEs5Q0RJdkJWbzVzN3pyNUxYYVE5RTFkNUV2UV92NEktQlVLRDU4Q0NpMnRQQklTSFpWWkhEcHVCNnZvQT09 |
Ok, well you honestly can't say that he cared nothing for color, application, harmony... if he made variations. Variation is the heart of real art of any kind.
Your term 'skill' means 'photo-realistic drawing capability'. By that definition, sure Warhol wasn't the greatest. Are you going to call Koloman Moser a poseur because he made wallcovering designs? Miles Davis a haphazard composer because he only wrote less than 32 bar songs?
The bottom line is that Warhol was a self-proclaimed artist that sold his art for profit. That is enough to be an 'artist'. You seem to be jaded because of something else. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUUFhldW1rVjg4TjF4eFV6TjMxMmd2VDI2QTN5TGRXR0lRTDVUdmN6blhNWEFibUpCcTBEem1JSV9Jcll3R3hhdEpmTzJlUVJraTRLSkhzbk9HaGIwQXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQTNoSEZ2UEFJUmlfcDRVNnJmYWVtelI3WmRyblc1am1OWU9ESG9xNlZiZl82Q2hYMFJRaklLNkVpR0FIMkVTMXpCU0luWjd3a055YXNxbExFM1hrMVpFa1NmcGdya0VzRllyaHZFS195amt2MW9MdGFWSHhrWDV3dXo2Q3Y4LVh1SHFZY2NzM1hnSmtFZUhJVDJTZU96UHR0MHVuSllYMEZGQUo1cko4RzFlZTJNYVNSV2pfOGR2TWt1Ykc0VXlPQmtGYUhESkF5eW16aFFydzVaZElMZz09 |
so does that mean van gogh wasn't an artist? he didn't really spend any time at all "selling his stuff". his brother theo tried, and made a few sales, but it wasn't until well after his death that van gogh's work began to justify itself by summoning high prices at auction. van gogh died a pauper.
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I'm not hating on any self-proclaimed artist. It isn't about money, I was just pointing out that Warhol was a successful self-made artist. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQnpFWEJPdklLelhQTWZZekVXaFE0MktoeWJMbkpCenpaQU5VSWpJRWhWSTVmdk1OaXo2WVVTeHAwYnVnU2lTbjJRclA1S0JyRkJYa0RQejZWY0xTaGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzV1g1cFliQV9tTEMySjhDeG5RVURlaFJrcU10dXdTVE1QTjlVMkc0b1l2aDhnTHV0dHo3UXF5R21wQno3cFRyaDlJRjB2N2lTZmJ3LTU3Qmx2b2dQVlpzbGVDZk5QY29Xa25GSHZ5bTR6RFl2MDlReTEyZEZhT0ZoMmtUSTF0dEE2RVFoTW02cER2WVk1YWROUTEyR2wxR1NCczlfSmo4SFBwZ2NvOXlocm45cWRmS0xiNG5BN0wtaHd2dFh6N1NWWlpUT1NBcmtLX0pYZjN3MlFHN3luUT09 |
Fair enough Racy, But I can proclaim myself a Ultranuat, doesn't make me one does it? Art for profit versus art for the sake of art is not the topic, rather; what is an artist?
Yes he used fundamentals, yes he was an artist, yes he was a very talented salesman and social butterfly.
No he was not a very TALENTED artist deserving of his reputation and position in the culture.
I lived in Pittsburgh for 5 years and went to his museum several times. There were very good hints at this guys talent and potential, but by and by, you could take 80% of the stuff in that gallery and say it was done by a first year graphics student and people would believe it. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUTUhWVlVLTUxBMTFNTlgxNlpPYktzZHNLcGhhc2l3SXJiN1pXcHpBMXhhVlVXUU1ET1ZUQXhKcXdSRGI1bW5qd2hQdHNLeVVXYlNySTRpMVdINlhVbkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzSnpDRWJrd3ZaNWFKeXp1Yl9sRTZHaGN3a2h2ZUJUZ0Rsbng1SnNvZ0YtSVlHWWxCRHc4ZkdxSk5fV0xWUWtaMUlIVnE2SGx3RUJEQ19OX29uY2xMRzhfVTYxbFBPc2NoMVhKRC15SmE0cjVLb25VbEx3VG5HSGY2cTdaMExIejZpX2JxTnNvQWZkeUlzcExaU0NzdVVDcEdudWdhaERmcERDMnM1RW1nd0N6ZGlUR0xNTGl6cjI3bDd6WHZDQkducXUtUDhLWjM4VWpyM3BxcHRaa0RFZz09 |
i don't disagree with you about warhol, for sure. i'm just not so sure that if you don't "sell your stuff", that you are somehow not an artist, but a "poor person spending time drawing stupid pictures".
i'm not even sure what the difference between those two might be, other than the removal of the adjective "poor". | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcGNzSmo0TWp5cmtQLVhnZ00yeElaYmR3cGpXbmlYZmV5bWlSWjNKUmZzY2J5S1VCaWo3SjRfZEZ4dEZNVUVZSURESUhEZFRiMHZ6NGRZVVZqeUNZQnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzaTJyVmFzRFN6OUZ3R0g5N2VvOW9TZWZZTjJJLVhzR2JxTXdEeEhkY3g5dFExcXlVRl9UUm5pZVhCalhqNnVMV2lBUnJ0WWotMGxYbU9pX2xseVloVjlPWWN6bUVoRkV5TE5YSFJiMTBlc0JZMzk5czg0S0JLaFpuUWo2RXdKc25EdVNuZ3BCTG9jWmZGT1RxMGNXRDBmci0tY3BhOW5Mek5zRG96U1BqWFBLUHhHNWM2QnZpYW81Y0xkV1ZYREdTSkJScWFGZEx2REw4bEtydkp1Mzc2UT09 |
that comment made no sense. "Look at Mc Escher. He was a print maker." Does that mean print making isn't an art? "Any graphic artists are just artists that make stupid stuff for other people." What do you call shitty portraits other than stupid stuff for other people? I am giving you the up vote because I think you are sorta agreeing with me that Warhol was a scam but please tell me if I am misinterpreting you (and thus deserving of a down vote) | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcU5HUU81RGVlbDRCc0tjTGJlTzZrMFZONmNjcF9faHFEdFNVWW40ZUNDYmN5U09WRzktanIxR1JiT1UyOVRnMm5mc01mRGxaOFRmcnQ1V2RoNXVocmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzR2VLMmJRQ3hLeWN1azNnS3otX3FlSjdEbzRXNzZBaGdOVko2RWxfZ05qOGNZMjd6R1lrQmUxVElWQWFPTG5aeWNaeWZROXEzRFM0aDc0V05PLTMtVlZJbEdnNTA0Y0JFOE5Ca19SeUFma1NIdDZGRFhDcUhkZGpXNWJtZGpIZkF1TU82eWstbnYzMDQ3LTZtejRBQTBydHg3VEdzQVM3S3hVVEdnaUNtM2FXN3B0MVZBaWJsNHNOQkYtMW0tcldEWS1xLXpReWVoSGlMdU1hc1dFUlRQUT09 |
No, Mc Escher was a marvelous artist. Warhol may have not made stuff you like, but that doesn't exclude him from being an artist, so no, I guess I don't agree with you. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUWnZqbW04VG9xdHNzYWE2ajJVS1NFMkFkd2EtVHBCalNGby1RazlDVlNrQ0lYb1VjX0JGR1NMMDIxRzNNaDJLWGJkektNVzUyYTFMcjJuWTJFSnpYbGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzOXRLdXd4dzNuX1RCazlBTWZrMnl1bDVmY3pMX1lEUl9MQWowYXBDNERpVFhnZDRjY0VsdHExTG9SYUdkdy12azI2S19RQXNIdmlvSDVYVEtha1FnQTFSZE5ZRHQ0Tm9TZG85bnFHMkJ5NV9Tb3VDODVWWndYUW5SV3FPa1B0RS1wbkdKUWhrVVJycmpCMWVMSDl5ZEVuc3JaaFNuSmpsQ2puNy1ZSGtSbzU0b2xxZ0p6LUpKdl94TndSQl9PQjcwYXNidDIyRU1waUxIUVd5ZnZ0dnBGQT09 |
The whole modernism movement is about breaking the rules. Thus, you won't get it unless you get it; or you are the artist :p
Anyway, he liked to express the degrading effect of mass production. That is, having the same product available to everyone, causes a loss of value. We've become dull. Check out Pyramids 2, it's nice :] | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUbW1YZmFYaUJZblV4eXFHNFhyOGdWeGxQWU10TllVMUJIeDZoSERzSEM3NHQ0OVFPY05oRTdPRVZuWHcxcTRyWmcwSFoyN19pTUt6cVloSHQyZVFxYVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzdDdZMXV6SzNXWHp5UEFjVkg2ZHAyQ2dwUnVOVThURFpxVzFsV2ZsMGNpc20tVnhkSWhtOGgwRVRjZXFQTjhiRDhUVDZKZktzWnR1SGJJb29SS1J5RmoxTTRSMElybDZRTXlVeGcxaWloQTVUd191dHRGWmp3UWh4WGtVWVBCeThCVWRkWExGc3N0RkUyVktmeVM3d2NRbHFKejgxVGdQT0RicGMyX2JLUC1oVzVPTEpzd0JJTndJRUtGZXg2U29rellhSHpVY1BsMkxZdGxweVpxYVVrdz09 |
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Marketing would love to have you believe it is in the same building as Art. Its not. No up votes for you. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVULVJXb3JzY2xQb3JCcUpQVHFudHB6YnJLV2ZaYnFFTDdqRFc4NllNU2JVdjZ1czhUUWlnUzVaMUNhX211djl2SWJLTndFdHp6MERMdy1QT3czcktWaEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzYnNtbWc0bXY4c2VjMFZtX3NQY2lRWk1KemJ0UFdoT0I2Zkh1MTVxLTBlLXBFdEdOV0FRVGdfeHU5X0lmZXB1UjdvdU96dGphZ2tDZlRhT3FKbDFGZDN6SjNxZUlIbENlSl9pOW8xeVlsNjdlQWRXWi1taENUR0xpaWtkYTBhR21yS2RGZEdPaEZQVGZSTVNaRUFWRkxac1N3aFV6ekxaT2ZCQlJKZF9BTFhDaTBjMFJQM2NhWG9KX0tLV2ZLNG5Dd2V1RTVFMWt1ZXpZUGV1OU1XZHg2UT09 |
There are artists, there are entrepeneurs, there are marketers and there are people that are all three. If you don't possess one of those skills you have to position yourself with people that do, otherwise you can be the best artist in the world and flounder. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUX3haUm1laGR1RVFDR3ZDbmxfeDBJb0lMUGpHUnhtbzh0WlowT0hZTXZGM3QtajE3NjNOb3dNa2drRmtMUUNKdVVjWC1MQTRDd3prWXpnOTZjY3NGRkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMUczQ25ud2o1ejNFOG9fUnNGVU9WdDV0RzdwejU1dHVkdjJSVXd0ZlJvYU5yMGpQN0JOUU5OYjNLM0cwNXFaZkdZOENMbVVZRkg2a21DbVVodU0ydUhXa3dzVXRPMmFENzZtV2FhcGxFRzdxdUdvV1VwVktxZXJaVzFwZU9jYVItRUQyQlFlSXRRT3drRFVSLWR2b19WM3dDMHNDV1hfWDZPVUQwU3RsTDRxU1VxS05aRV9ESE1GcHpYbG5qQTk5dDlBRUdNM0JqR2JPWUJkRXBxeXpOUT09 |
this guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._DeBakey
He sounds awesome!
There is a market for art, you just need to find it and do the right things. There are thriving painters, there are thriving composers and playwrights. That they exist means that it can exist for others. No matter what the climate. I don't see what you are getting at. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUcWdxU1FGRDNpbEZqOEtMSmhEaXRUOEVVNnZHWkQySGpSanN1OVB3R3hfdXJrNndnV2syaVNuaXBiSlFVeGZXWlNybkY1Mno1Q3N0NXJRdGdjUDNVWmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUE9SbUp5bzdWRlV0VEl6T2xtSVF1SlBaZUticUhrVGtQSDFUSHh5Y19MYV9ZT08xbHh2UW5Ra0Q4LUU1dl8wVHdkRkY2MFR0S1I3ajFYUzVNUFppNVlkRXEyY09GMk9XT2pQUXJZZHU0VWVlNmFDbHhTSEozRFQ0NjZzQ2tGM2pSU2Y3OS1aWmJwYTZlaUdWU1hDcUxISV9pcHU1SW5PVjF4M002eUxhSXJWYWUwZkVNTER5YkxwTkM4dXJVUEtxT19ETktSSHF4V0pzMTU3MHc4Nm9Vdz09 |
aight | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUUDFZZFhROUxmaUtWOVV6VWh6MzRiVENhZ0ttc1dKZmpwR3RoOUprcXp1MkczOVUzaks3WFVpWDk1R0tQZWVwcS1VS2lBX1g1V2d1eUQyU0V0Sk16TXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzc1dqVDBnTTREMEJwZVNlVUptME5uR0hsbnN4TkhGRDJFUExEa2ZwbGl0YU03aTFwLVpwYVlBdU5XOUxibHpFc0UtOGNncEE4SmhpR1VXV2ljY0RTLTUycG5lSU9mUFlnX0s1UlFNN1BjMDNDUzJfVHVyNzNLczJuNU05YVhrRFhiR254UnZuMElsU2dtZTFJUl9DdHlkaS1MWHBvWlktNG1Ib2dtdTBreVRrNE5LZnBFVUIwOFpGSUxBZkRDVldNc1ktaFQ5UGlBM05BQXN1UlpBZ2FMZz09 |
You, as an illustrator, have clearly not studied art history enough to know the intellectual backings behind this kind of work.
Art isn't about representation--this has been the case for the past 150 years or so. It began with the Impressionists whereby the painting was no longer a window into the world. Painting became a subjective reality. In the hundred years following that, during the modernist movement, art left representation and tradition, and for the first time these individuals began to explore the canvas fully. They're not schmucks--they're geniuses.
People say things like, *Oh, I can do that, too,* and I'm sure you can. But had these sorts of paintings not been around yet, would you have been able to begin to paint like that without the precedent? Would you have thought of it, when nothing of the sort had ever been seen before?
I used to be like you when I was about 13 and got really great at rendering. Sure, I had technical skill, but I was no artist. Illustration =/= art. But I was mistaken, and I linked the two. I thought, that to become a great artist, I had to become so technically skilled that I could paint extremely realistically. But that's not the point.
There has to be some sort of intentionality, an intellectual premise, not just skill. There are thousands and thousands of skilled people, they can draft, sculpt, paint, what have you, but there are very few geniuses who can create and instill a message or move the viewer to think. This is the point, and you don't get it.
And it's not just the message, it's originality. Someone creating works in the style of Warhol isn't the same as Warhol creating works in a style he pioneered. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUaS1qSjZEb2QyWjQzOE5PbGlTT1BWZkxRb1hnUEdVNWd2MmZadGpJamxXQkRGbmwzaDdMblFjUkRNdUdDTW1nRlkzWGVFZmx3MG8wQ2szNjdlMkhxWnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzMVJBUmtwdTA2ODBlNjcwXzVxa3ZtVzRGN0RNRk90MDFaaFVLcmhaeFlYTHU3dzEzTHZyc21ZQmpjTGJHaDdVeTBKMEttYThSaW0xcm8tSC1Ial9IN0N2YXRsYlk2c2dabjRfdnptS01BTFhra285VzZoaGlCU2ZjcWdNOEZEWXVBaTZmaTRiY2N6czBmZkcxZURIY2VMaEM1OE5VYWJWcUdJQkMxVEJlQ1kwWnY1MWtNVEhwMmRyR1dJVkdxR09VT3ZPdTVRVUFKM3VxYk5La05WTUJkQT09 |
A bit abrasively put, and omits certain points of nuance and philosophical/aesthetic questions about "art", but I feel this statement is 100% correct and don't understand the downmodding. Sad/awesome/funny/weird (depending on your perspective), but true. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUMnd0OXl1dkluU2JtX2x4RXdxbW96cTN3QWwtSDNpWnhWYXNNM2s0VWJlbE5VZzVLaUpVRTNQVnhQMWdIckhsMk5weU9ITVVJOVl6ZjZPWkE3c3RuRlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTVNNTXJ1SzFfMEFuaWFBMWc2S3dySDl3SUl6dFhMM0YwX20yVFNCazNLVE9Fazltc29pcEdUelpyZ3EtU1ZYUXN2WXZ2Sjd5RkhheHB3YTBQSmtUZ3ZiblU3a2dfVk9DNWl4T09mQXBlSG5LTUNUUEdHMUNQQjlSM0RlVmxoQmx4Y01ia3pOc0I3cEZ6ODVTcE9nbHNtRFBYaTdTdHRBZlBzMzk3V2tTanpuVmo2cmJwbzIyUzZOUGpQVDVnMFNHMXYzby1SMG9wQXRMTjg3NHlwRzRyZz09 |
I had always learned that the repetition represented a dual nature of the subject as both an icon and a commodity. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUYXo1VjZ4eUZUZkU3MFYyVVU5Tkh3QkpHdVdlWlZ3NEhYTVotNVp4NkpFWmtiZm1LcXZMS0ZkM1pJWFYzM3BIZ05yY01SSVMxbkZjeGptdktIbmlyWEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzQWYzcjVrUHBUWndGeVI2UEFnSTU0MDhZeW9sMTdrT3BQLWtGZmRkbEZDSlhXSndaM05leWdZTnNsTFBqMWkxYUY5S2Vta1JIbUZ5a3VEV25xMmozdkdIZ0pna242RFN6enFYUmRvNlFsaVRWUW13LVdYVXhvLUNaODBQeWF1ZzFZNWI4bEMzSEYtZ0FNUmxXQ29WY1YwQnptYnpoS3hkY2w5dy1JSExaWTUxd0tjeUxIbkp4SFBTdERXUWhHWm9NMlNTRFRXN3RCcUFtNkItYlZsRDhSUT09 |
Did you expect a positive response to that comment?
This is what I read from your tone: You wouldn't understand man, you just have to feel it. Take all you're intellectualizing and your criteria and you're methods of judging things and get out of here, because I can't be bothered to explain them. You're either with us elite better people and get it, or you don't and you'll always be unworthy. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSW1CV082dlRGX2JYLWdvR2NBcjNEd2tZVVJRaEptbXkzVkp6QmRrbkE0bldOT3I3dlgtSmdTTlVpRTVDcmRJT3dUdl9oWHZ3eXBmT2lxUWVRQTIzcUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzNXBIYkJFLUFuaVc5R1dqam1WdjQ2SlVueU54MFFscW8zX0NIbHhLSXVFZ3BvNGhUTWdZbmxQakRtSE9aNU12YUlPcU00d0gwbE9VQ2J5TUVnNW5NVXExQk5oeDNQbnJObWFZbHRWalF6RzI1c0NOVm1ERl8wTDhoRm1YWF9RMS1HOHAzZlhXUDhrTDNYZl8ySl9lSzRXSmV6ZXVNeEVJbWhtNGcwNEJlb1F2VFhZSGNZcFFDMGM5N3FrdTloZ3pZSUlTbU1xcnhqbWJQZ3lDWGE0YTRPZz09 |
Once in an interview Warhol was asked "Why don't you make your own original images?"
He replied, with a scoff, "Because I don't have to."
As a former student of the arts (though I would never call myself a true artist) I always found this to be bothersome. Like he played the art-world like a fiddle, and everyone danced. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUYTlJeWNfSllhTnhMa0xPRlJibV9udHRleDJzZFRIRmRGTEphcGlBa3p4bTl0bVA0bUVLc0NZYkpBUjdVMTlCVmk1RTRTc2cxTWp1N2hLNHZITlRXdVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRVZaMUVFcWdJZGhiaHp3VWFxY2JMT0diSEhYLVAxcnA4dmtRLWZMTEkwVDVhcW5vRk9mbWpDbXlZZm1ZQjNMUW9YZkw0ZXhNTmN4cTFrU2d2STRsRkUzT181eXNaT2EzZEY4UERhR1NVSndVYXVTLW0wQk1Sd3ppMjdOTXh6RWRmUHN6ckJXaXlCOVNyeEdIUHRNbDk5R2xZUUNKdFVLU3I3eHp3YmI0TU5ZS1pxN0pNNVJvNE8ySlhUY3h1YUQzMzlRMTRSZzU1RWlCUVFEMmFCbHV0QT09 |
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I never expect a positive response on Reddit when I don't follow the herd mentality but that is neither here nor there.
The reasoning behind my original reply is simply that art cannot be defined (at least in three to four paragraphs) and it would be impossible to "explain why Warhol is considered an artist" to someone with no background in art who would be unfamiliar with the terminology and concepts we would be talking about. In addition, you could dedicate an entire college career to Warhol and still not know if what he created was art.
It's not about being elite (although I concede that after re-reading it appears to be) as much as it is about frame of reference. It would be similar to someone trying to explain networking servers together or writing code to me. They would have to break it down to a sticks and stones level leaving me confused and them frustrated.
Ironically, there is a certain validity to what I said if you view it from the "elitist" slant: any woman could tell me that being a man I will never understand childbirth until I experience it and they would be right - it's something I can know extensively about on a scientific and intellectual level and not really know anything about in reality. Art is the same - it is creation and cannot be understood on the same level by outsiders. It can be appreciated - much as I appreciate the work of childbirth, but it can't be understood, only experienced. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVULVEyaEdqcnQwWHhRamxwcVl2X1FBbXRzLXhCTGpocUhvTXV3c1FXWEoyM0lIRnRiVkdQd1lhdnlEVU9RdlR1OFJDeE9SN21YeU5mZndqVFF3bUNHTmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTklnaXRDVHNpQl9kZHRJbkF2T3NvUTFYcHlkTDBZeFllck1XQ3dBQ05wOHN4VGhvREVjbWFFa1g2OGVDN3JISm1LTFZTTDk4UUtzMmRIYjZHYTJTa0dmVGY3eElYUUxiRFhwdEtVMEhNcHpvM1hZZzZURE1FakpFOUVNYlNPMHlrcUNSZ1JraS1lZmo1YURDcnZQc3h0R2RuUWZyQW1xQnU1ZmJJN1pDR0VER25tekp5NjNPSXpuTEswOXBkTGR4WUt1cFZkazQ0X1ludzBrUnJYWkZlZz09 |
I honestly don't get how "tech nerds" are incapable of reading about artwork they don't understand and then think their narrowly defined aesthetic taste and/or ignorance is somehow interesting enough to share with the world. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUV0tVYXZMVHVvLW50NGM5TEVkY0JmVVhiWDRIeHJMT3pVcjd6cXRzdjBHeEU0VzhsRGtKZTJjaG5RMk4wblhxUFJIR3I3RzBUcWFsX3Rhb1kyX2c1UXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzb0s0VnY0c3JRVVNBenlmZWVFNDlmMmxyZUd4anV6dFkwdzZnVlk2T1FNYzFmMTRuMUJuMHA5YnZVTHZzUGdhbFhhWDFJMUdTTWxJUUNtQ1lITS0zVjFqSUFoYTdrNjhYSlJMQURaQzRoU3VqZkh3d01rZUR4MS1yem9tTkwzbk9ZY2M5MGxxTFVJVGRlWlJmYVFaU1hFNnk2bEVXT1JQYVFBMmZ6cmJjbFVYZ3lVTF9rb2I2RXVNS3RIWEZrX0hrWG1OZjFqd05FbVNQREJBVC1sZGZndz09 |
Me neither. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUVXpWZUhTY0JGWURBb3Q5MFl6ejZsM0lfaG52SHZ0MGg4cE5TUTBlTWpBMVJpRVlyUUdJTi04RUdRWmdHRGVEaGd2NEJJRUpEWmxadzRSYUozQUxWalE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbF95QTh4VjR1Nko0NEM4RDRVU3B5N21SRVQzdTdLaEdwaUdIWFRyQUgwel81UDV2cWVvTWZXSFVzeGZJMWNGWUtpZ1dRZ2ZTS01GV3dMZWdEZ0ItRm82MW84Tkt6eHJtbGtoaHBNWnBIb2FSMi10Umh4QV9EcTM0Y1JfSDl6V09KNU1DaEREbVVScUFDSVdDWGNKVWNPM3hWRm1WWFo0YmIxamRPN3BXNFZJaldGeTBLS3Axb01OZ3lGMC1LbHdoemo1ZnJXOVRUTmdpU2dLV19GZEJadz09 |
http://www.jwm-art.net/dark.php?p=code&s=0.5
http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes
http://www.whitney.org/arport/commissions/codedoc/
http://artandcode.ning.com/ | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUQVhLaTZyWFJMcG80RzdyR0lVMDhhWGNuRkxOTm9RV09mbDJid1Y2WFF5WTR2MHprbFRzZVJ3NFJLWGhOTkh5d3h1VWFzT3JMWF94eElVYzdYY29qcUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVWZ4NFNLbDVQTEQ4NGlYVEI0ZDRIYXNTQXIzeG1LRjg3QlBIWkhNc3dpMWRkLVNSOXdacE13U3hwd2NYbzZFbi05NGxmOUZ4ZnIySDVtSlFwQ01MbDhDSllKZmNLd0dIYzg1Nmt2QUREMjgyUmxyTXF6WkdZWlR1TmxoMG5pd1cxN3dHU2c2VUV3c09UeEtsYVlfQWllWDk1SnhsdHFKenNZeU9oWm9JeGt6WnR6UDZBZFBoT2w3SGM1MkdCMTVpR1R1NUNwdUctYmU4aVZhMmEybHpNdz09 |
Lots of interesting commentary here. Myself, I find it very difficult to find common ground between art and words.
It does occur to me that there must have been an enormous evolutionary advantage to being able to persuasively sketch in the dirt a compelling strategy for surrounding and approaching game, or a strategy for finding food or shelter. Making images must run deep in our nature.
Also, didn't Wittgenstein (in Tractatus) assert that all thinking is visual in nature? And didn't he also assert that human visualization underlies all language? Forgive me if this is off-base - I find Wittgenstein very challenging. Perhaps someone else can clarify.
In any case, it seems to me that making art is as fundamental as speaking. It's odd that we would never assert that someone who was speaking was in fact not speaking. Yet people often feel that someone who is making art is, in fact, not doing so. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUZWFQbWJjNlhvaGV6NzVIZE1KM1FybFI3dENzYzFxYzZWc2dWN001RW4wV19janlZSDRnTjN2c0szdldxdXJIZldoaXhRLW9yT0lTOXk4MTdVbGlMNmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzOUxYbXRLTzJubG5XMndlTXhEdG5qUkpadnA5Q0RIX3pNVnNWU0xrMDZWRkc5TEc3aEF2TjNkX2NUbkZmMFBCNk1XV1RZQTh3M3B6MHZBVGx1TWs5U08weERsNUZ4dUJsaTFfNlJReldvb0dscG1EY3E4NGw1QnhJZUI2V2swTnZVWUpJbFlaS2V5UGFXdWU5NUhlci1qekE2TmlNdWFQTVdRU3Y5U0t1TDdVc1VpelVfQzlKZ3Y4RTVBTjhIUzhxRDg4dnZQdjlVWkoxUkpDZU9GeWIyUT09 |
I thought that was an interesting video. I don't know why you received so many downvotes.
Though it would be more accurate to say "Robert Hughes disagrees with you." Clearly he is intelligent and well educated, but he is only one person. I assume you also agree with him, but you did not really prove your "smartness" to us. ;)
Joking aside, I love hearing counterarguments, so thanks for the link. Hughes raises some valid points, but clearly his opponent was not up to the task of debating him. The collector sounded like a C student in an art history class. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUX0xfanRvUnNpYmh5RW81OVhJMEpvaUlrYlVtNEphOG1MWjZUNXFURm8wV0lmVUhJUW5tMkFIMERnRlpCenJZazdwYVdHWmtDcGVXaW9ZUnEtNmR1TlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTUlmV01KdG1LNWZrMHJ1VjNrRHdYS3U3V3cybmo2bXFVX19ITENROUUtbTNPUHZYV05uUUdqdXd5RmpDc0VVSTYyM1MtZlZ6dklUYzhHa05WcE1MODNPcDBUaUVtTkhrRkxudlRuUHRBQ3hlbm5FU2ZNQ0FLWGRBSzBkdnVWVlBrcjJTYVlsakNCMkJjODFiSDEzQXV6ZTNDaUFzbUttMGZjQzhoak9WMlhUVG1uREQwcUc4bFZPVGRnQnZhVlZvcUxSdlBKb2psRzY5bTk5MGZRMF9GUT09 |
What makes him creepy, exactly? | r/reddit.com | comment | r/reddit.com | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVULWxnUWN6TXFqcmxLZ3JxSnZ3MVdRQ0VldVZacl9TWldiQV9Tb3o4ZnZuXzFWODhZdGNFLWJuWHZIaThNYUlmZFNoZU5oUEQ4Uk5XVTQtZzF1TDRnUnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbFlFUFNVX0hWbkxreHZvWFRrTG5ldHdWYWJHSWpuS3BmWDFpWU1FcHMyRG5xTXpUeEM1VmNsaWp0dktoRlExNmhEMDdEQzRYdFUzSjBQQWF2dEhmaWViZm9qSnhlZ2pXaDdxSXppVXNDVXl1cnhyWjhUcU5xa05KM3FTRUk1cnVfS3BuYjBkMmpwaDhyREV5ZHZOSE9wVmdKM2hTV2x5NDBxU3BZakZobGE3VnRTeDBnanhBY3RSWWxQRG9JdWRRVDByakQ3djNEVURPVEpuWHg2UzR2dz09 |
Because anyone found this comment interesting enough to discuss. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUbDlNaGZSMENDZlpZVUhrWE84cFYyUng4cTVSZFJKamZwXzVhQVFLbnpCZk9yRTBHd2UxRHgwellFaVhsdVgzeXJIcDJtazlscVFjODhQeXMybFJ0NGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRFNseXA0M3NaNS1QNWlrcUg3ck9UMVdRbzZTV05vRGVtdEtOZUdwbXprTktZMnNnUy1heVFyVjZwYTRycHZhVV8yTlRJT0tXSi1qN3pNa0V3empyYTY5VlE1Ql9jbV9ZRE12WGNsYk5remlHZ1loeDYxeTllWTEySmkzRTc0VW85aFp4ZW5oRjJIQ0EtaEo2ZXNiY2xTQmxVcFVlX29qMGROaDRzNzN4R1ZLNXFfbF9LMjZWUUJQX2t2dlc3R1gtaUNJa0VTeS1hemVGWTNGTGJ2UlBhdz09 |
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I disagree, simply on the fact that we're talking about an artist, and not art.
He did not do it first.
The mere action of copying images negates this idea.
One could argue that he challenged the norm for the first time, but this is also untrue. (ex. Dadaism, Impressionism, etc... All rejected in their first movement.)
What he did do, was push that "norm" a little farther, and unlocked the door for everyone else. He took that chance, got noticed by the collectors (not the critics.) and ultimately unlocked the door for everyone else. This is a repeating trend in art, to push the extremes of "But is it art?" | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSFNEMXRwSWxMVnJrNUg3dVVoYXlGMUl0RExWNG9lQm5TOEFzTW9IWjVtMm1QY0hFbGlNeWZ4eFZiN3ZvMWFxQ191N0VSbDVjRWYzZlo5UG4tYjFlUkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzamxvVkN4azhWSWwxRlRwcGF6UEdaYl94MC1KV2xEZ052UWhyTzl4aDNpS2o5RGhwSHlwbDZiNlRoTWxIVUhXODNDUVlueDhkb0tKcldQTmhDaEM5OTJrTXhkVHd5cVRQeW5OZ2JsREtBZmNVQUN3RkkybkZrbnNYN293ejhxS0s4RGQ3WEdERkJBUHJtWjlsRlhYNGZfY0dVekRlckNWVnFvcFlfbGJGcER5RWdYeHFsaUVIOG9HSFZoR2NrSjFZODV6ZmNOdlVnQjJfX29JTmR3MW5CZz09 |
Silk screen paintings are made from photographs. Are photographs art? | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUSTJ1cVptaWloeDg2OXZjSUxzaVRhUEVCaGxTSnp3NnlidG9ic0RDU1FUc2VKVE1adFFsSTRoRzBLTlU4UDNvUGc0cE5hS1hoaGpVTHF2Rmc1Nm5CaFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzUTNpLUx1Y1FWb2had1pLUVBsT1Z6VWNZNjdPbjhWRmtOTGRhSzZyV1BsUEdjVGJKTGliWFhuTTJETTItS3NnZVRZSkI0azI4WmJUTUdOd0lQR1ZXNUVUazJkSng1OG9MUVVqYUFwd0FPY29kekt2R3E2QjV4NnFrWkVLYXNKQkNpNkdKS2EwWVBlS2xaUGtvMm9KQWF0SGtvYlR1UUhwX3E4MnhmakJhMmxTZDdyOG1zTXRtQloyYXp1MURfX2hxNHlfZnpPZE1QS08wNGxkS1d0UjhSQT09 |
Its a bunch of crap. I could smear some shit on a canvas into the image of Jesus or Mary and I'd be an instant "artist" | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUVzRXaU1rVVVaY2l3WlZUTFgyb0ZvOHdYam5abDAwZDE2NWNGY2lTWE1rdTBJakxwVlRHUlJFLW9maW12UWQxbkQxa3RPbmJBRGM1Y3p5OGV5Z0VObFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVXpZZkE1aHpLalpTWmFRTXlDaHRhQzJienJ3N1haY29pT0U5YnFzM0p4Z3FWZE5vdHcyblRjLWJvMVByVGhralBiTkRNSlJ6NnhsendKRVQyOERKX09ROW5hbUNsWXlnejJ3Qm5ZR1VsZEVWb0prcWdmNW9JbWtEc2ItVDEtYmt4Y1BYUnRBQTdDajRpSTI1WENGTHNuRmhrcGVmbHdidFpWa0dkbmJpeDY5QTFnd3dtNVRUZEJPRXQ2U1ZnMm9SSGxXU3FYaElPV2J1TWxFaUNsdG1FQT09 |
You don't need text next to a piece of art. In fact, adding captions can change the entire meaning of a work of art because then said work of art is framed in an entirely different way. There are plenty of art exhibits that lack captions. I think that the real debate here is high art vs. low art. The only thing that separates high art from low art is people's definitions of what these things are supposed to be and why one is less important than the other. Graffiti wasn't considered art for ages, and it still isn't to a lot of people, but just because someone says that it isn't art or that "they could easily do the same thing" doesn't make it any less artistic, in the long run. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUUnpETjM2cF9QNFZlQzBRcTVhSXZjTHFsdWJVYkdMb0RmaTRSSlFuVmFnUDlQQjVyUVlUWUMzYkNnY1N1REpkRkM2VVlSaHQzTnRZMGlRS2tiSDItSGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVk5RRWFCbUN6UXVvSDBRM3JVMkZKVmRuX3UyMElrVlp3RDd3bGdJVlhVa3hCNzN4TndOUE9iZUJ3LVY0RXhqR2tDYnhobmRyaklvVXpmeG5TSVBMemlvSEQ1LWVSXzYyVTNmVlRqWDhldG5tdFR3clA2bWVqRXpHVnRCWHdKT1hoYzFKaFEwd2xQQUNsQWhhUUJqZG1qZ25rUU45MWZweXFyMmFqZ3lXMjBoR0N3TkZaU0M4d1M3R2R4TEVHODhjRURPdGYyQzNIRm5EM3RHRzBjVHR3Zz09 |
the distance between 'I COULD and I DID' is the same between "LIGHTING BUG and LIGHTNING" | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUVVA1dHJFVkxDMGhKRDhHTXZlMi0zLTlJWjdLTzB2MWJ1QTZGVms5T3FRcGhfWFdyeEpnVjVQMm9uLU5YZkZCeExENHI1dDRhYU1rNTFYclAweEFHYVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbDh3NXh4SndCbXRxVlVPc3B5ZmNnbHVZRlFUdnBUODh2SmVNVzJCb1Z1MGJ1TmV4QW5xVWFKZUk4R0hJRUdhVkpaYXl1aEJwQV9OTkVUMHhIMEppR2JjSWcwWFZyS2tDN0s2eEJMamZCblFRY3AxYlV6aXJnZjVBdlgyN182ZlRIZFdKZ3pmYkRiXzBpOEVBUHRrOC1TdGNTbzNGcVEwOUhHbXVSclh1em9HUkNCVlBwVHZQVEZhWGJpU1R5WC0xN0I2VmphOEYxVHpvUmFIYjRDU3ZEQT09 |
And I would appreciate your piece of art as a controversial and provocative artistic statement on the quality and benefits of religion.
Art does not have to be pleasant to the eye, it can be simply a way of visually or otherwise sensually expressing an idea.
You may have a tough time selling it though :D | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUNW45bjAySGctM0k3d1NPYmxMaG1HOGlXLTUyR3VkVjJqVVlIY1QwSndmUDNqN0VYUllBeExOX1FDODl2TThMMVhvdUhfMHFjRkEwa1lsMXE2alFLSGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzS2RaclctN0gtaXZrVUMyUm4xS2hLWm54LTZwOHJlemdaNmtudDN0bkdMRmRpaFlfX0FlRnd5U01HRnhWYzR6a3FnQmVCOVpzakxfR25GS3RfbGJwaW1yX1VZeW5NYmJvMXBma0xINzNDQWV3MEJUR25tWGE1LTJpNWdWUHItOWdwU3dVWVByZnlkNDJzTlhmZThVSG5YVzZ3b18zWk14TlR1Wnh2M2l4TFdmbGZPNWZaYktaTXhZWUtZQUZJMXdSaW5HZ05sOU1sX3EycG5MTl9PMzVsdz09 |
They can be, like beauty it is in the eye and mind of the beholder. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUbDZXZG5xX09kQW5jdXBGdGJ3TVpTMmFMQjM5djJDcHlLVDhVNHFXVGhMSDRqWWRWX18wR2RvbEU3UVI5YnFyenlHOFNBcklJd0d0V3dLMzJES2RNUWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzN3kxNmdqb0dCcld4T2QtbVRYQ3AxTHdTcFRPaEtkaVRUdEZNMVN1SnB1UElnSXNnc1ZMT1pBNFhOS3lKc0NMN05oNEc4V2JSN0tVWnYtRnYtcXl0Mm1tODRKVjh6c1ZfbFVISlBEaEtaUy1ORHBNQXJxNjJpR3lHbU1KWkZnbG1pMFlzR0d5OVVfT0daOFhFSlN4NW52U1RkSFREWVM4QXFyVjJJZG9ZbW1XbDdvcU9FeC1sb08ya3hwaFVlVDZtMHRxcEZnUjUtQkYyRGN3ZmQtZzE2Zz09 |
There are benefits to being original with original ideas even if expressed with "original images". | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUX3Q5bC1QbVhEZzluWmVkd2tMTUtiZEpzbWxQaXM3QmU0TWhVQUdiVGVWMU90aGtXMEFOWkJnZjNSejBqWFc5MzhVQ29JeWZfVExxczdZcklpSDZfUGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzcHJqT05RRGlCbFV1OFpubFhiUEt2QlZiVTk5VTVDTjkyd0I2SWp4ZVFXS3dwNHVFOU5uanVBLUkxMC1FT2dPb0ZHaXpjcElXWXZ1bmU4a3NNdDkzOHBqOTRmX0ZSYUkzZzhadUhlbEk5czgyRzByMnItUndnNFpoU3VCN2VGQ0FuOHBCQVlIaDlNMjNnRkVzZ2dKWFlPMmJSRjJTWFh2alhaNFpnQWpRSU9YNEZEMWJEbFYxdVFNd1pTMUpwcWdHVGFTeU5FTzdMcDNEY0pNb3NlVUJpUT09 |
Fortunately you do not get to determine what is and is not art.
Just because you do not appreciate a piece of art, an artist, or an art movement because of your conception of "Art" is too close minded or uninformed does not make it so. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUMEk2aEIxb3ZXZm9MWmVtNWhVWWJoZkNyNGNNanBMNlA3NXdVSkJEQm5WYV9XUVVVMWR2empxYXNLbWJ0Z0U1aXlLTTdXb0FvRDNFcElXLWUxWlJaQUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbDVMdGZDVFpkcGtDUExmaTBkU2FWNzhkVFk4SG5LWmJoTzFNb3RtNlNSWEtxVnV5MlptOGdSUFBmUEFlRWdtS2VaVVRvdDJRTF9PSzB5Z0RSbDFOWFlzeEpsV2VrenhUVTZvTUxQdVZWQUp1MDJ3c092MWh2Y1U3SnFZbGdoTkRNdmszWGdJS2JHT1FKY1E4YkI2XzBFVlFaV1J5ZU5oQ0ZNZ3lxR2lLTTF6MWRqTU1laDdMSDVuQ3Vtbm1KS2pqT0pzelRDMWMwc3hVWVY3ZHBELS03Zz09 |
I think of an artist like a driver, not many of us do it for a living but a lot of us do it. Just because we don't make it a source of income does not make it art. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUUjhKOE1uTE0zc05DZFZ2SHNaVnBONHB2UlpoTVNFVHRMVk43aTFja3Bsaml0Vk1XTVNQN2l0T09FMEV4ZFBfcHRaYVg5S3ZoTXAzMWIxb1NRaUktdnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzaEhOT2sxbWFoREcwZGpHc3Z0bmp1T2REQzhOczl6Y2dGZUU5TDgtaGVkOUp4MXhoV0N3UWJwOFQzT3d4eTVBdm9rdl96VGY0ZndzLWZHY2hGNE1sYWszY1p2MFdYN1Vzb0YwaU1UOGpVMm1fV2o5S1dpVURaQmlERzVSakdsOTAtRUgxa2ZneF9LVWdaWDdMS3VfMGpjOC0tVjV3dGY0M1pnRjdnRERFR2dsQTRjOHlOcGM3SUFQSXoxMWp6MFFhQ1REZl9hV2NrMFhmcVRFNGdaeXA4Zz09 |
I think the question brought up by Duchamp is more like "What is the role of the author in art?" But both questions are important. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUVEQyWHBvLWJzSjMwN1FkcjgyMmRUVjZjZnplanRjT0dQTHhIelRDTDQyM09uRWU3ckk1bHVKNmN1SzhKSmJpdWQwSHZRNUdDVGVVVlJBeTY1ZDMxclE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVVlJX3ZPd2VKRkp2T0swdzhpS2NHRGtXMExfbWZTVFd5TkNiQUR6djV3VnFLeXh3QzQ5dENmNFRxSFBPQk5QUkJSRWVhOTBNSmV4R3NBYURkbG1LdC1Na1h5cV8wQm0wR2RBWW5aZjVJNl9FbXRxaUNacFowUFRvSmRCdnZKTm5WUHROT2JxZ0NZMWlGUDJoOG5SWkc2bVB1SnNqU3c2ak1mVzlWTWNZUkFBX0F2VFBXSnNRNDc3VDE5WWNuT1JwM3VDOTZaQVZPQl9yNmlUVGRyZmU3UT09 |
Wow I never thought I would meet the person who could prove what is and isn't art.
or maybe you are just conceited? | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUblY0WXA3MXBJZ3Nxd1NHckYwWTNzZE1DbmJyMV90cWo2WFlBek1hQmFaQUZqdVRYZXI0QWw0OGlOSFlhRlF5Mk9wSkQ1U1hfQk1RdWJtRlRMUWNPd2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVlVvRVVuNTkzN3hPRTBEaWxqMWE5blhXengxdGFUYWhKWmhZN0ZmcnR3cEc3QnZ3TWdScUJPTGVOcHZrMnZuLWRqZUpwX2pmWk9fQlpJTThoSVJPQ2NhQWpvMWRiZndZeTlNcS12akl1U3lNN0hvVnZrSDR2azg0ai1SeFhaa3VialgxRmJCRlVzXzRuRWhoZkwxQmNkNW5JMEMwcGFEMDBkWFFGSGk2ZVdSQWhEWE9VRnBRb0VSdDVoUXhlMUhQbE1Kek9DLXp4aC1zRWRWcXA4WlROQT09 |
Just because it is not pretty doesn't stop it being good art, It is great art (at conveying an idea an making people think) just not pretty. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUNEhDUjJ2Mmt3QXEzOUFvNnNsWDlvOXJ1Zm91Rl94RTVUV1lLSWppQWNrQnNiYWkzVVV3VjY2ZHlkSE5TeXpXcGJreFd2VDNVcW5TajhsX2JZSkYxRkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzYUlvMGQtV1hfWHZkRTM0QzFUQ01zaFNZQk9UYUJzTjgtSDNpNWlIbmh1bHhRR21wMjVhOW1fLXZLWG84T0RtNy1FLTVrQXRLYklQVWRhMFRTTWRjTERULTJfS2k3VVdmWGRzUXVSWjR1c0VVLXQ3RzRZcWlmNm5zNk5ST3ZReEZBVmNyR2toYVh5LVk1THVpejVSYWpEU1VHWFp1ODZRNE9DUUdJdjNGcHVuVTFqM2NqNm8teWgwRlh3a2otdEMxMDc1Mkhxd3FFQWRkUGtlQWJtOEUwdz09 |
In dark oils! | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVULUJUaFRyc25jYjNsTnVWdXlaUlJfUFMxNmRRM0lrWWozWnI1TmVJMmNZV3hHWGdtOW5BNW1hX1ZZWGh1eTBBcmJtR1hzRllsWEw0a3dCblBveEI0ZXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRkR6bmxfTklHUjB4Z2ktUEdSWGI2Q3JXTUptSzMzMDc0WEtrb0VUMDR2VlRIWDlMbzdHZWhOOUZWVE9wSHdPZGU4d2V4X29OX2J1WG50ay1HYVNDeW5fRm1nR0pLSW93RE5BdlFXV1RPQTBVWGpnRjdxZVFsa0doaHFnOWtGcGx0NFd0RkNVT2FuNHhkOHRKUXJBM3N4eGQ1c0JxMVBTZ0xsVm9GQnpPRmFYSWZBcS1GYTQybVlKcldEci1yUGFPZXZDc2NPTlZvZllJV09JZDlxU0Jhdz09 |
human excrement and religious imagery?
[it's been done.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ) | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUek1WcDhSdzBDaDQyY2FVRnZzZ0pTVDFZRmJ0WVNfZk1RelBFV1VsaC1HMV9haHhZVG9QVXdvclJlWkV0YWlfblRiQVdHNXRSYl9UYzRyWnVGa1R0Wmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzbGZUMWJZb0dxSFB0eHlXUG02MXItQ2F1TExVdmdhWElFWmp1c3liQVBpVGlXU0EwbjNNbkFZTlVUT1puNm1VSk5YQWVhM0Vwb0ZBb0VqcGtDVEdDZ1MyNk81a2RnUWlscEpRR0RMZmUzdTQ0bUVhTjQwekdFbTVwbDZTVTFOckhDa2ZraEZQWFQ3ellsNzRvbU1rZUc0U2JieTlIQnBKdzB6cjEyUHBlSWlLYWl2SzlrVEx1cUlDZGVtMUlUM1hvQXVJUUw5d0pCaE1Sb3lESVJoU0RPdz09 |
It's been done with piss, but not with *shit*! | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUUGVtUmlvQmttTm5ILXhCTnNiRUc4blhOeUM2enZtQVFTYUhkYW9uaHdIbmVLc2JnNDByT1pXaF9ZbFo2RmhuYllMSFpSNUZrVVctNkhuNU1hTTYwSnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzTkI3NU5JcTlrTUtEZUVWRmpDU002Mm0wLWNoaXNFVHk3eGs3MEp6WWNLdFZJa0dzLXFVb3dpeHdWcENfZXVjSzBQMU05b1Blb3RXOUxpYzZqbWxLelhHMmhtc3JuWVV2bFZ0QUljaGdza0dqdnpvMnhpWDNCUW9kZFQxWlhDUEw5M3JXa3l4ZVNSdTg1TjdkbWZIVTFQZ0dsdFo0Y2RTc3NQZXZqbW1kRktfUGp4aENhcEVOc3BOYTNXb2VVZVoySWpBSFJCQ1JicXVlNnU5QnRqWU95dz09 |
As much as I dislike Word, I need to convert some manuscripts from LaTeX to Word for work.
Does anyone have any advice or suggestions? I've never used Chikrii but have heard negative things about it. I don't know anything about the other software programs, like GrindEQ or Ktalk, that Google shows.
If you have any experience with these or others, please let me know.
Thanks. | r/math | post | r/math | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVURDlXNnMxb2tBREJUS1M3S0lpTEJVc09XVVdDWXotQVR2MEM1N1plX0xMX1RjLVJ2REFpZmp1Nm53NVpPcXExaHl3RXF3ZVNLem9TNEFVcnVQRk0wdENvNDNaQ2VNVjUzNWM2M0ZQd2hUSlk9 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzRUprOG85YnFMVmo3ZlJOcmU5MkxiRmFMYzA3T1FZd0dJS0RvSWJHNnVmUHhlOEpiQzU5a0ZacWtxTnh3a0dhYzBDVVZDU216aXR5Y3RmWlFTR0hTOHlGQ3NnSTN2a2UyUmxyZDdEOVdQV25GczRyaExyVnM5N3FzRlkxYVJDN1g2WFZaV0JhQ242aWFfam5HRHRZbWRQdFBpenE3bkM1Zld0R25qbzZPcGNjPQ== |
The earliest examples of art were used for specific ritualistic purposes. It is now believed that many prehistoric cave paintings were not even meant to be viewed by people but were meant to have some sort of magic control over the animals drawn. This is why they found extremely deep in hard to find parts of caves and often are drawn on top of each other. Kill the picture, kill the animal. It seems to me that Art has always had a strong conceptual aspect. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUN3pDcUtmN0xpZ041MTFzb2ZOdGpUeEhEaENwVkFQNkZvTzFQODRHb05yc3dpbHQ2dzVQclYxbmtITnExcl83UVltUnRlSDNrc1Y4azRJQnRtX1Bpc2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzVXVqSGxUT2RxcmpLb0JRc2E0N3hOV3FhNGkxRjVkdHBOdXAwdkpmZHhUeFUxaXEwcHAyN2hucDM4VF9tdzVaWm5mRHE4U0hpNHU2NjRzYjdXRlIyOF9fVmhzVjVpMjZjSTV2VjFBWl9BajQwRUF3THk2aXJMSW5xTy1ISXZUa3NBZThJUU9FSE9DZnA0Wm5IZElHa3pLVXBVRHFDT0ZZYmxvN29hT3NZemtxWXg5R2dBYVJrUmhtS0RyQV9uRzA1QzI2cWJYMTFwd2xRU1M1bV9XdTFBdz09 |
Of course I am using this in the general sense for Photoshop, GIMP, Aperture, etc. I see so much so called "professional photography", and all it contains, is a semi-interesting angle, and about an hour or more of photoshop work per photo. Just because your colors pop because of all the mask hue saturation, doesn't mean your pieces are anything but a hobby.
Don't get me wrong, I use digital. I prefer it from all the money and darkroom hours I spent on my film; but let's get real. A good photographer just doesn't need to spend much time in the "photoshop-room". A good photographer doesn't even need really expensive equipment, (it is nice to have though; again, don't get me wrong lol).
I just wish people would take the shot, crop it, do their raw white balancing, and poof. If you can take a picture that is amazing with just that... THEN you are a good photographer. If you can't, you are merely a decent editor.
| r/photography | post | r/photography | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUOEstdFFRTzZqcDI4dGhSVnJfWF92UXdYS01CWG4tWDZHNFZSdHYwTk5uYkFQdmV2aGdkRkV6NXpIdVJkVGY5ZUhDcUVNd0dzSVdLWEs3cHpTdi1lTVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzc3lUMmh2NUhxZ1R1SVZucUd0ejRGNzRDRGU0cGxsTHpXd0NCOU1BSWVMSnFJR2FFTVc2bTJ6Zy1NWnRSNXpyNENSaVJXOWRVRlFGLWdaRk5vNVBwbFBqcE1ORDlxUnlFWTZiR3JSV283c09FOHZkcXRmOWZ6ajBGSENIRGtPTmZVcWpUVWdZZ1A3Z3R1d2p6c2sxMHVvQ3d4Z2RMMnFXSzlTcmVreTFZOF9jPQ== |
My point was that there is no essential meaning in any art piece. There is no meaning to be "changed" because there is no one true meaning, just different interpretations and descriptions. Art can be anything. All something needs to be considered art is to be interpreted. | r/art | comment | r/Art | 2009-07-07 | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVVUdV85YTMxd3NkMDBtb3c4bTRWdU5Xb08tU01lVzNaYnFNa0I4N3Z1TDZxemo1OXRHZHRZQS03LTJibWlnUGVtVG14R1pRY3lacmpUS21PWThyS05KQkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9MNVUzU2tPMW5nNEJqWkhFNUs3WTB0MVVHZ2cxNVRSeHpzbTNfOGhWU3BWUXhqUHU5MTRGOU1TdHZRVFBNbVA0MGw5d2tUV0RxbDZsbXJIN3dqX0RxeUZCQmJDUU5CX3hUQ1M5VTNZZWF1aUhSYTZvN3hQWWZWbXRaWkVUd0NMZDkzX1hhdUZHZDZEelZlSEJmWkpwNkYzYjFiczQ1aXdpcUdNSWJLaThUdG91MmVOVFg2aVEydmRpU2J4NWFzX0lfT0hZX05jZ1ZrU1VBd1Y4S28zQlBKRXJKdz09 |
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