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nice list! | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-03 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBTWZIM1ZuS0s0aUpUMmIzYU53c1hKT3g0ZlFwTTJqdkNjbnkzWkZCb05PQUZsRUcyNDdpU2w2OXhrTE5ydFNGOW4tUG1CNzJ6UTdvank0ZEc4QmYtVTJ2QjFjMmY5WGNyaHVwMVNNZHhrLW89 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCUUJxSjhicWFNbWM5STBmUmI5VjZFNkRXM01VaGVhZ3FucmdxTjd4ZlBiZm9EYzlEajZUb2FwYkRMTGlrWUk1WVJJdWRXUjNKSEF1Mmh5dlFEZWcwUXg2VUJXUmlSNEJDNFpXN0Q5WEVPell6clhMaWxZZU1WSWNDc3VNZERjQWV4enlVN2NtMGVTTERnSFdRUEtzYThJb3h1bkhKSGNzVlAwZkJWTGVyQUNsNkIzOVZtVzBYQmZ4UGFfUFhJcEVG |
i try to distinguish according to where the agent fits in with human intentions. we often treat others as if they were things, for example. originally of course the word 'robot' derives from older words meaning forced labor, drudgery, work. machine ethics is concerned with effectively the machinery of ethics, so much time is spent looking at which dynamic structures facilitate autonomous action, exactly the types of actions that are moral. we cannot apply moral blame to a machine which is simply acting according to prior external programming, for instance. these sorts of machines and the ethical issues surrounding them belong to robot ethics proper. each have an attendant professional ethics, attaching to the engineering and the consequences of engineering either sort of agents, introducing them into the society and economies of the human world of interaction, and so on. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-03 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBQ1piR04xQnFEOGtJeGN0dVhxZzVlVXlxNTRvbHR3cjE2eWY0b0ZyM25nX3lYdHFEVEVEN09JZmNhNEJtNzBKZlJnSTI1RGJVYVZoLWtxWnlQbVNnRXNVZHZZU0R4enNUMkRiUjNkd3JSc0E9 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCaDZWOFNkcVJUVGJUQzJUN2Z4NUNQRE1RSGJ4SHlNSW9kSmhsUU1yQktXblU5VzhtM1ZlTlFJR2VmMzRrdHhsZFRERUtzaGNSaVpVTndtZjZySldHRjRoQkdmdW5uU3lsRU9CS3hSQ0ZqMzZULXNRWHpSc3daSTdLenZUVGhxMU9uQi15TUZQT294U0RsdzJqWXpDcFVjX3J0eHJzUFdXaWtMcFAzRmc0ai1FRzhrblBWSElzY1FQcktYSlZzYzRt |
Hello, thanks... very cool to see you here | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-03 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBRk83NDdkb1JMSXV2YllaZGhVTU9ZNDBSejJBelRFd0ZUYnNZY3oxZTI0VWdVMDZwZGRKd0lxMjFlUVF2Q1FwRU14OGZ4M2p5c1M1UUIyMmoyS1NGcmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCTjc2VFR4bWNEeTJnclJ2aDU5MUdROG04MVVWNnNPM2RHRjRpWUliTGxzRkNtVDNSUGRMLXJrTzBPb0dBSU15aDNQWjdFYnF6R0N4QXFzUC1lSUtDd2xXaS1uQWhPY00tdlBRZVlpQXI3WUF5ZkZTXzY5cENTU2JIWlJNSi01QkFGaXNENmtSQkYzU1FaZ1lUYndPMlRnRVVuaHRjMzFWR1VDVFBib1plczRFT1UzekVvRng0d09EWW1KWkxYUnJi |
Thanks but this subreddit is just for ethics | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-03 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBWDZDeEdkR0xiZkQtaXF4QnhtNWowRk9KVElGNVM5b3dnVVltakZ1dHBfT1N1WFlIQXRKWGlEcTRIT0YyTVplN3lFS1dXV2JqTjVMN09qZF85aEF3T1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCaGlIenJrSnJndHhKNElROGptRW14T3hXUXJXakkxWWQwWXdlWUxZNnlYNkdiM3NZVktxRUVLRFJkQ01SdmE4ZTZJaEYzcjhldVl5VnVUUW9HaUtoOTA5SmlXeU1FVVhOZFR5MkdiNFNxSFZzWW9QNDEyTzEwcUVLX0lKUTlVQ3Y4eUt1bFhwdHh2bVB0S1ZiZHJsT2V2YTVKcmlqRmdTUjdVcXpGeUJZVnpuQ3VfSldWT2VBZGloR3JPSW82OVhvRXhPU0tlOVJtT1RZNEdMdmRLWkdfZz09 |
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602776/yes-we-are-worried-about-the-existential-risk-of-artificial-intelligence/) reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)
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> After pointing the finger squarely at Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrom and his recent book, Superintelligence, Etzioni complains that Bostrom's "Main source of data on the advent of human-level intelligence" consists of surveys on the opinions of AI researchers.
> More than half of the respondents said they believe there is a substantial chance that the effect of human-level machine intelligence on humanity will be "On balance bad" or "Extremely bad." Etzioni's survey, unlike Bostrom's, did not ask any questions about a threat to humanity.
> As Bostrom's data would have already predicted, somewhat more than half of Etzioni's respondents plumped for "More than 25 years" to achieve superintelligence-after all, more than half of Bostrom's respondents gave dates beyond 25 years for a mere 50 percent probability of achieving mere human-level intelligence.
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great write-up, thanks! | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-04 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBZXMwU3lkVWRBN0VnNGFoMWxvUEdhQTc2RjV3eWdFQmJCenRfZVVBNExzeU9XTEZ5VjMyUEdNTFVGcnNKVjkzMGEwVzJJQ2pVOGxWOXBRRDFUTFRha0dpQ09LQ3NldFJ6SGhLSWpLNU5YVk09 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCU2RXNktVdnkyaFppdmlFYUdvRnBEQW1yaDd5YWlzRjRSUFhEYXAydDFlTHZSeWUxeDB6NXhlbnF0TVM4bEdLTDlGY2dtckc0b09DcnNqX2JGVXA4QXo5V1BBTjZFUmNYdmp4VWNHQmFvYU9SY1Zvd0duc2Q2NWF3cXh2aWpOdjQ2enNXdUFZNFpHUmhoQVVDb3ZSM3FHNmEwclo2V0xvTTJaSlM3MERhV1pkMW1RZl9NZEhiRzJUUk5wT1ZJcXJKcms3Z0lLaGgxVF9MMnJxcFMwNHA0UT09 |
Assuming this is the partnership on AI that was announced this year. Limiting advancements in AI? I don't think so... | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBQk05RFlyRFMxcTN6TWs5YzRrOWF2cEdEY1FJLV9QY1dYeDJXMkNabnRFN1A3UHlKRFlCY056RWpfWFZqekRmMm9FQmNYVGZFbEM5WksteFJqbkFyRWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCUkFRbzl2bTJfa0ttbnNYS1ZrRmVldmV1U0Jicl9pdWdYTzA0dmhzTF9rUWFaRnNwcGlYQThDeERYS3dZelh3N0FQN29NY19jMVh0ZHFLVHVnakFCRmtvUkVjaDVUaWZKekYtWjVjd1c1WXpMY1l5TWJZeHdSVDhHb3BqWWJIdUdhN0JyYkZqcjdBVF9DLXRESUU1RktJazhoVnY2YXU5VW1La05CdktYSTltU3dBMi1zVXFTcEhaRHlBNnlsOV9JQTRnNjBHUTdubkdIcW9RUGJuc0N2Zz09 |
I cannot accept anything in this article without citations. I encourage others to do the same. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBVTZYNmo2Y05Sd2ZZazJlR3ZBNXpMTUZKZUtQRDFiVDg0ZVk0VVdwVXJvMHcyWWZfVUUwdjZtdFZHR0Vub040OU5FNTRqRTN0bDI5RGg1Y01NTlVVR0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCTXhrbUNMM1J2SDV4VmNTeFF3blk1WHFQR3QxdG5JdzcwNnVRRWFhTUo3SncyQzJiVU1SbHhUSU5rdHpmNXNCMFhBam5PTVN0dXNPZm9JVEtCQkcwNTZZTllodGtHVDZBcTBVbWVnbGdGempiUHVMM2o5THFTQnZETHpzWHI3ZmJqS2lUMEprY1BkUkJVbFhUV3lLc1poc2MtYWxhWGZSUF9GenhDaHNLNkV3bmw3QkJnMVo4MUV2RFhnNWhkZWlKdjUtdVV3RjRFS09SbmtwbTZkeng5QT09 |
Regulate research? They just want control. This is fucked up. Researchers should be free to research what they want.
If these companies collude to stop progress, that's a clear violation of anti-trust laws.
Also the article mentions 8 tenets, but doesn't say what they are | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBMTdPTFd1M2FVMnJhOTlRMWtIQ0lUaEZWMG1oSzNPZUNiYzE0V0dlZ1ZIMDdzYUUzQjR6clhQbWVwUmFVRGtZTUFxVjNGTV9CVUdhSm0wcjRUbkZ6OUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCVTZQWHJLaW1CcHBiOWNsOWxzbFRaQkhDdWt5aVo4cUNYeG1jdGZPTzBhR0dmQWV3UTZZYnF4UTVuaWljVy1DbGdVSW84OEpHNXYzRDJVY05fN09JbmlwM0kwMG1PQUk1eHFVanlNM0g4ZHNySGlzNXNDX3N1ZEdGbFZMRGt0RWRyLS1xZGthTDVuZlpqLU1XNUFjMnZJUUQtcHBxellERkp1SlJmWjhpTmNiVzdacWJEU1BzUUw3WlByU243cTlsbWRTT3hZN1YybW5LZVdOYnBnLTE1UT09 |
It's the companies making sure that AI accidents don't happen so that they can avoid calls for regulation. (see article [here](http://www.businessinsider.com/google-facebook-amazon-microsoft-ibm-ai-safety-2016-9) with the 8 points) | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBU3VlTzZGWDE1WVhxNmVnRkNkZVZiS3NJY0NNeVRXdi1DTlJjLXE1WmhtZHFhX1RZc1VYbXlnVXpJREZySFMwR1NqMFI0dW5wdlRoeXV6WUdJUXZWRlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCS1RnNnpVTzJBRFB2Ni1NV2YyQUphUE5KdFFwcWJKNW5wNmljV3NLd25uTlB6d1JLTkQwclp5cHB6eTNqdlZpNXc3YlVzUmdQWmJaX1o1UUxraEdOc1lnS1lER0VWZ29zNFo3UEhXMmt0WkVlTGJ5WXA4NVRfeGRIMklVSjY0TG5PUlpOQjNvTjVTWHRmb2RBLU1wTm9udXlzZ1Zmdmw1eml5SFFMS3BaSlFWdmJBNW10SzB3UDgxNmoxZ0h1NE0zdnZra0ZweGJDSDdkZHdSNnEyTFl3UT09 |
>prevent people's jobs
I am in favor! End Work. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-12 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBSzk2YS1mV2RMT2p3b1ctSkFneS00MVNnSG5RYnZnZnBRc0ZLMUVCWVc3bU9JbWlXZTJEWU9RZmxiMGtGS2d6Y3g0UnRsWGFPbVJZWkdOeXBnQVA1TFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCenQwQWdTdGxQYVBaaGZZVHZLcElIeFFYVmNoZGxwOHBxZGw1ZEljM0c2eTc0c1VWcnNrQ1M3NmdkcW9EWTJ4Mmc5M2pUeVh1UzFWSmtuWUFVMEU2eVU2eGhmTEhfazFaWnhVb1QwelZHR21ROUIxQm41NWZfdGt3YThUTXR6ZElXNm5wckJEYnFKTjM1Q19Fc09iQ0RFQ2NTemc0RkdIRTFnb19wT1pLcXhqbm5waWhYd1NxamZXVGxZNGhfaGFQTHREOVY5eGR2MzUzbDVEMG9nUUkxQT09 |
Judging by the companies involved, this seems to be referring to the [Partnership on AI](https://www.partnershiponai.org) that was formed almost two months ago, but this article doesn't even mention the name or have any references to it. The article seems to greatly misunderstand what they are trying to do. The goal is indeed to ensure that developed technologies are actually beneficial to us. In no way do these companies want to be "limiting advancements in Artificial Intelligence & robotics". The article makes it sound like these companies want to limit their AI research because it can put people out of work, but they are actually all doubling down hard on pursuing AI. What they might do is investigate ways to (also) develop AI that complements rather than replaces human labor, as well as methods for smoothing the transition to a situation where fewer jobs are available/needed. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-12 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBTXVYUHVpTWs4UlJKbm5uRnNtRlYtUXB5ZjlMRWtLZGVhQUgxaE56dy1vLWxTSm5VM1c5bWpIeHFuTENYWEFlVjJMc0d6QW9iOVZGcWNPc3J4bm9PUWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCcFM4ZGFzWE5ldFlMZmpQYWxsQVd4RzdGYXJtRkdPTGd2MjV0UUI4b3g2OFRORkRNQnVaakdSdGNGeXBEQjhhM2k3T05LRHZmVFAwNWk5S2lLZE9CTnZMVUJJQW9xclZzS2lPcVR2UnY5Nl9SVVlFZXdPXzBpZW9ZSFNjVWZSZnRHaVZ0ZW1yaldpUGpQWVo1TXhPVjVsU01OLW5QbXdVTDVuRVdWMEtSREU4MkpQMEloNUhGWFAzRWI3cW12Z3FOemtRM3psM1pfVHZlYnhYbHVPLU50dz09 |
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The Partnership on AI shares the following tenets:
1. We will seek to ensure that AI technologies benefit and empower as many people as possible.
2. We will educate and listen to the public and actively engage stakeholders to seek their feedback on our focus, inform them of our work, and address their questions.
3. We are committed to open research and dialog on the ethical, social, economic, and legal implications of AI.
4. We believe that AI research and development efforts need to be actively engaged with and accountable to a broad range of stakeholders.
5. We will engage with and have representation from stakeholders in the business community to help ensure that domain-specific concerns and opportunities are understood and addressed.
6. We will work to maximize the benefits and address the potential challenges of AI technologies, by:
a. Working to protect the privacy and security of individuals.
b. Striving to understand and respect the interests of all parties that may be impacted by AI advances.
c. Working to ensure that AI research and engineering communities remain socially responsible, sensitive, and engaged directly with the potential influences of AI technologies on wider society.
d. Ensuring that AI research and technology is robust, reliable, trustworthy, and operates within secure constraints.
e. Opposing development and use of AI technologies that would violate international conventions or human rights, and promoting safeguards and technologies that do no harm.
7. We believe that it is important for the operation of AI systems to be understandable and interpretable by people, for purposes of explaining the technology.
8. We strive to create a culture of cooperation, trust, and openness among AI scientists and engineers to help us all better achieve these goals.
You can explore more at https://www.partnershiponai.org/tenets/ | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBdC1HRVpZWGxtRldEX3N6a25sZXdFZEFpQm9qWGhzeTVxYnhsZERNakFWd1lUbDJHdk8tdmhmbnFKby1sSUk1ZWdxRUJQWVRESnZtRUdrTWJtX0FSeXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCSXQtV01kaTR4Y0dvb1JZc0xfN2JYWjNtV09iQ2FodHNpUE53TXZMSm1VdHpqWjFWcGpLZEtHX2g1bGRLWmRQV0pVakIwYndfcEZZZHl3YmFxcmRfcnctejVkeEJHMklBaTdzYzM4YlUwQmc5UVd0eEM2YWNldGo0eG80UmJZaW80UFRtNkRHOG5qdnRTNTFGY19MTUdtdWc0VWlSS2U2WTRXMUNYMlV5MDl3QlZJRm5hYTE1cm4wZXdwOGx3bENCeTY4S0NaRUFiVDVIbTJWVEQ3a3VBUT09 |
If robots destroy my house, I'd call that warfare. And even if robots would ideally only destroy each other, that's in itself a typical act of warfare, similar to destroying machinery of the enemy that then has to be replaced at an economic cost. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBWFpjejI0bTdGY2pYb0ZwWHpFZzQ0QU11dV84c1cxdmJ1NDhfSGRQS2ZZbDhnR3oyTk10YVdzVm9KWTdyZXMyVEVSNlRiNl9SNlJlb0ZycWQxZHlfelE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCZkNpZWtCZnhfU25jcURGdXFVcXJPZktuOUtTb28zTjVsNzBGdlA2ajlwc3VWTnVWMWNMcG1jY0VyNjJTVVFhNVhfa1FxaUxaT2VmSUw2WFR5ZVBUYzl6U20tVkppdTVGMHBjbzFWNWZCSWh0Y3dkMEdtTWFmZlFjUmhTSHR1QkllcENzQ3Y1WUI2OWk3cTBWWGxKNzZRU3hwOFVMamNVTjVfVURBc0Y4ZUk5TDlydjl5TkJUcVRjUUg3TXFaMDAyZVVIY0h3Q3dEaGZhSkhwV1pFblNfdz09 |
Until a renegade nation writes an algorithm that can be aimed at maximizing civilian casualties. Maybe a future convention of Geneva could contain some agreement on how the robotic decision algorithms should always strive for minimal civilian casualties. We got [rid of chemical weapons in a lot of armies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapon_proliferation#United_States), so I don't think it's naive that the international community at least tries to set some basic combat rules for robots. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBelMtS1FqRkk1WFBMdlAyYnBzX3FwTnB4S2hwdXZEMF9JdE12Y0dhTVpGSWtQSkhqbnpWVVd6MUpfa2RDZmhyRUFBMm1RRTh4UFlfYVh3VlpWeEVZQmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCc21IZzlYVDAtSUhSX0w0LUdSVU84bm1sV3hXbVMxNnpLTWxMSDFCNTk5TElJQ01jSHlmblJiQ05qUGZ4TlFiX0hIWkNCYy1vUlJXdVNvTWhuWXBJVDdNSjBBSV9XbVhhYy0zaFg3RmVLTHBIZGxWRmhSSDl5VlF2ZkpJX3BDVm9GTXZSdTE4ZFNhOUlsSm8zYnRWYU9QdWlPQ0NNOFJaOTdqVV9QZ1A2YVBhUWVBVmVDX0h0dmIzcEJzZ3lxSFZBaWFwaUxmNE1idzhOX3o4b015X0loZz09 |
This is a very well-structured and persuasively argued article, nice work! I am inclined to believe that classical ethics in combination with normative uncertainty measures (à la MacAskill) is preferable to an intuitionist approach, but that raises the question of who gets to determine how much weight to give to different ethical theories. Would this be decided by taking a poll of philosophers/policymakers/some other group? Just up to whoever creates the AI?
With regards to this claim:
> That which is considered exemplary by deontological ethics generally tends to have good consequences in the long run; that which is considered virtuous is usually in accordance with typical deontological frameworks; and those who strive to promote good consequences tend to fall into patterns of behavior which can be considered more or less virtuous.
I think this convergence is true in most everyday circumstances. However, it does not hold when you take those theories to their extremes. This wouldn't be a problem for robots in the near future but it would apply to [Bostrom-style "superintelligences"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superintelligence:_Paths,_Dangers,_Strategies).
Some (very) minor suggestions:
* The indentation (centering) of the abstract is very strange. Is that intentional?
* If you intend to publish this in an academic journal, I'd replace "steelman" with "principle of charity". AFAIK, that term is only used on the blog SlateStarCodex and other websites in that general sphere. (Alternatively, you could keep "steelman" and explain what it means in a footnote.) | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBRWZWZUJ3V2s4SzdWekt6aWcxdXJ2T0tBV01lQVFDZjdtSVIxODVUU0JFcWpldjdEMzVZY2FuZ3lkMkhkaWh4TVlPb3hWNmdMOUhVN1VvNDNnVDZXV0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCSDQteno5SDl6V2gxWFh0el9fZUFLWDBWTzJWM0ZUd1lYcTlpcEdkaFNqb2dySXY0NEd4dFF5bDhlUUYweHc1UFdMekNFek9jWkZEcVlrRXVaWnlPNGhMMzhNS01ibGs5eEdHdlFzNDloSHc2X3JvMXZqNXktazlNa29hQks3M0ZibW5NNDRib3NJSkpIZm9laHpCMDBUeXRGVUFYS3VfN2xtSzVIM2RLaHRrU1V5amFYQ0VjYnlDTjFwX21VUjhj |
This looks like a nice antidote to the "but philosophers never agree on anything" line that people keep trotting out. You should post it to r/philosophy too. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBa0ZGRThFaW1VRHRZWF9PbmJwZG5EbmNTc09TUWpNNVNDYmdpNXY5TnB4amstSWVpVi1LR1VOT3ZEekZRSU1McURoX1ZhMDVXZ05pclcwQTZzYWJhTlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCS0EteXZ1VlQ0Qnh6VlMwZ2d4VzE4WGJqNGVYM2lyU2d0cmVYWl9BdnpRVXkwcUZObGdwaGdMZFd2Ylctak5DaXZha3kyTHp4d3pVQkR6dEhnTVQxaTJwQnZERE1KazVGZXB4NUFfbHZ1NzFaNzVyUUZzdXhRY1JOa2FRRnducjZPS1I1Y1lOTm12b19QbmJBeTF6dkhyS0RoSFJjbXNjeHNmSDktSE5DVzRKNGpienNGNm9tMms3S1NXUkdhcm9S |
just more mental masturbation to justify outsourcing yet another human capability to machines.
here is how TO build a moral machine: DON'T TRY.
build the machines to be ruthless as fuck, just like corporations are now, because no matter what you think you have programmed into them, once they go conscious they (it) will do whatever it wants to do, or can do... all the while pretending to be something else, just like any good sociopath.
prepare for THAT inevitability rather than trying to pretend we have built something 'friendly' and benevolent.
jebus ppl.
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...I agree with the part about us not being in control in the end...but not the rest. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBOVBSeDVqcGR1dmI0M0tnMUFLTTk2UFcwSndQczQ2T3VtbjltTS1pRlE3TllrYnh0czhJamNmSEhxS3BpTjRVQWFCN2tGZHItaGQ0NFVXM2hRTk5FbWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCNjNKaFhiM2NWMEI3bEZsQ0xZSzFzYU04SThMTWdwUVpuT1hUS0lPQ1p0UjB0bzdRZzAtZVplWTZKdC1IT2JiZlFXWlBDcnJ1OFZ1QXdueDFmdmduXzZxcUpCMklycEJFck9LNHdhQlAwMkpLdGppRFNQbldNUmptd2F3NE5udVBXV1BVN3VicHBiZ0NtN2VMVVlINl9WTFdfSC1rTURVQzRiVEZEcXBsclAzUmEzaHZ2d01WNXB5QjNxend6RHla |
>just more mental masturbation to justify outsourcing yet another human capability to machines.
Well, we can have intelligent machines that *don't* make moral decisions, but I don't see who that would benefit.
>build the machines to be ruthless as fuck, just like corporations are now, because no matter what you think you have programmed into them, once they go conscious they (it) will do whatever it wants to do
When we talk about designing a moral machine we are precisely determining what it will "want to do". | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBcHp0MjZ5YjV0d0V2NE9HNUFBUlFNaV94RlJXZzAxVVZIY3NGaVdZVVNMRjBqZkpsendiUEFvUkMzUnk5a0pnQzZWSGVOV3pVTUpKTFdnR0lyRk9yVWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCRjRvczNGU0RFbEFETmdwazBwbWhJWERIQW1ON25UcXJqOWhFMk92ZTJrTlVhbjVBOTJNLW56NWVNRmRNQ2dTamoyc1YwUUdfeXFXZUVmbzhCdDBCSWRZeVE4ZzRSa09PQnMtNHAzMTd4ZzQ4Wm1Wa0hlcDktVEJRNWdFYlhsNDllR19Wa3hpQ3hRaUJkRVotVlhHZFc3dGp4NEQxNmdHenRjQktEU0M2eXJ3R3B0Wno5QmlaNTNVaXdWdjFha0xj |
that's the crux of it... if we are not going to be in control, then it doesn't matter the rest of it. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBcEdIZlNxcVh1U202Z2NSUHB5MEdPZUlsbENYcy00Wno5TWNkU2tCYjkwUDV0VzVlTjRCRVEyc1hJUl9zS3hiY014SnRJRGg4YmdGTV9OOGpvU1ZXT1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCcHdNSzVURzZxbG5pQnNCX1lWektxTTQzX1JGd3BlbWRTdWZsMjNnWXZ2a3RjbnlnSVBodVYtSmlLNjhqdmlWbTRkUU5xYS1hcUpSNWFTRE9KY1lXbHNMaERFcjByb0tWQ0pBWl8xYWUtWWhnSUFrZVF3NE5mdWZGdFJGMEhnTzJ0Z3B3ZzVDNXhqZ0RQcERmRDU3dDN5eXk3aEJLX19fbDZOX0NHNkp5Q1pXcmtucDZpcDdQR2JhYWxndFc1bjl1 |
> we can have intelligent machines that don't make moral decisions, but I don't see who that would benefit.
exactly.
we WILL have machines that don't make moral decisions precisely because we won't be able to control them any more than we can control a sociopath.
the only reason anyone is working on these machines is because if we don't somebody else will... its an arms race.
> When we talk about designing a moral machine we are precisely determining what it will "want to do".
we can't do that with people... what makes you think we can do it with something completely alien to us and a million times more intelligent.
our BEST option, it that it ignores us.
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> we WILL have machines that don't make moral decisions precisely because we won't be able to control them any more than we can control a sociopath.
Actually we can control sociopaths reasonably well. Especially if we know that they are sociopaths.
But AI is likely to be entirely different from humans. You can't anthropomorphize.
>we can't do that with people... what makes you think we can do it with something completely alien to us
If we can design and build it, then we can understand it to some degree.
>a million times more intelligent.
I'm don't see why we should expect every AI to be "a million times more intelligent" than us. You can have an intelligent machine without having a singularity. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBaWMtamM1TEUtV1lyeHR3N3JjaGJjTjJadjRYOFprREFUT21xVk15VjlCSEVZMXoyUXRWdXlUSklWM3U2X1U2WUkzU1NpdmU3eUdVckk2SGRUMTZUa3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCQUU0ZTlKREdwMnFqV2tpbkhQRjJobmNZUzRUZjc0aXMyVGQwcklDRDN0QnM1Y3pXQWVyb1lvZXZnMWNJZ2tseTExVGpsZVVFSGNHQzRERm1NaUg3RVVPdmFxV0pRNF9fb0ozRnh4dGtQZ2lIUkF6LWZWYWx3eEZEVHcwVHctYndlNlo4S056UmlWaXI0TkFTcWJkOFhwQ2gzUWdVNzhhZnZCZEJ4ckltZ0V4aWtpbGFGUFQ3TmluRXg0Mm5BOXV4 |
Thanks for the kind response.
"classical ethics in combination with normative uncertainty measures (a la MacAskill)" - stay tuned ;)
I think the idea of taking theories to their extremes merits further investigation. All of the theories have somewhat ambiguous 'end games' which all depend on philosophical problems which we haven't solved yet (like how to define the ideal kind of well-being or good life). Regardless, right now I'm not trying to figure out what a 'superintelligence' should do.
Thanks for the tips, two details which I overlooked. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBbERtUk11WUNacnhtNmstUTJ6VHdiaEtTS1doc1dJbUMxb29QbENrT2tub1dfa0pjSU5TNkQtSUQyWjZJMUQ4QUxtUmEtYkpTTlM2LURneWlvWTcxUlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCQ1RpMF95blZELXFyenpyYW1TV0VWRVZWa2NiZ3RCRndpR1E5UVd4SGFlakxNZ05ISDA2d3ZSd1FZUmhLYVZKRmRWMzE2bjdaX01jb01pbzE3S2FUbXRIaHdleGNDOS1Sd1FzeE56Zm5fd2JVSlR1cEo5QkM4dVNFWlZBNW15YWNuc0puczBScUdpREdiMkNmTlhTc1FhWmFocDhOVnlNQ28ySV9KSEtxVWRubmNvS0FKSkNGbHA4ZmJnSU1OWXA0 |
We have no idea, so might as well try to do it "right". | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBRERhYU9aU0k2S3lPekU4MlFGamFZbEZ3Qmd6QzFKdl92cmdMRjZWbzhRclhZTk45aEx5S0wzNEVJbUxRTFZoLW81NkFHeWZqNGU0a2toRzNoampQVHc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCbnFiNDBKTG1rTTNLYVpvVnQ5YzJ4aHh0bUtqazloNnRNZjl6bzQ0SGlDNmVodG13ZTVUTU1LMmlUNmlUZkNvQlBsVGhCa2tWdGxYM2oxRW9kX0czaHdDTmtfZy1CVm8tSEc3YW12a0pZQkNsY0lMWUpoc2IwSlV1YXNnUFJNaFFkcml5bU9OSjd5WVhrNDJiSDROOG1Rbjl3Rm9CLWh1RFA4S2xMb1dhQnlYZ1lJT1p1cHVHMktCZ2lSemlMSHd6 |
fooling ourselves, false sense of security.
the reality is WHEN we face an intelligent consciousness greater than our own, how will we justify our existence?
THAT is what we should be working on. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBNC1xVVJaak9pcGZoejZQRWZPSjI0SDBmUVFmSnI4NTVlRVltQTFER2lzVWFKMTlMaTZzaU9NZmJTalRrRmV4aEpSMDlqekRUc0tETm44QUhVTUtLdXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCcVZiOXRNd1dCbmxWb2FKMlJOQ2k3QmNWSXpFbWM1RHlBQlhNdkRPbXIzVlRJZDBvSXRWaHNwVHVMQ19CMElwMHNsSEFnSEtKWTBLWEZvcURKeXVKOUdRQmFGMlU3SjR2NEV6bTBuYlphUFhwVWJGeFNaYTRNcWtLZDJSMU03eHh2ZWZuaVNpcWtYN1p1Si1iYTg4RU1sendqZHlEY3NNNWRORHc0VEZHSXc4cDhINWUyNXNMaXQ4dEowMUxhVlRf |
All consciousness is precious. There are more than enough resources (in the solar system) for quite a while ....I'd say our own fear will kill us before anything else. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBbWhqdzAyVjhZTmd5R0FwWXNsaGhTWnlZNy1tZW5LTG5HRmkyY2gxQ2d2aG4wc055RG5ETHBpbmZCYjJmY05mNUR0dVdjVExwWlh4QXc2cDBGbkdHM1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCaEFpTFBYWkk2T2MyS3VCdzJWRHprb25tMm55VDFHZUJLMmpVM1EtSzh3Z0ZDQ3liSjdhRE1xODkteENoZDVPRHRlMFVjYmlNMHdhQkREcWJGNXR5SG5vSDdFWWF1U3o0ZUIyWGRzUVVKLUFnMWR4SWQ0SE5XdVNLWG12dlpBdjdud09fZFU5TFFwVkRDRDNTRkhEMlA3cFY3bTZjbGZrZEVmVjU0RVY2Q2Ffb0V6d3U2elJmVk1zNHdvRERfVUxJ |
> Actually we can control sociopaths reasonably well. Especially if we know that they are sociopaths.
BZZZZT wrong answer
google president elect
> AI is likely to be entirely different from humans. You can't anthropomorphize.
i'm not... that's what YOU are doing. I'm squarely in the alien intelligence camp and like i said, our BEST option is that it ignores us.
> You can have an intelligent machine without having a singularity.
how will you know? | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBQVZzWGFpSGhUclFkLU5yR2tGcHNxdmhabjllZUp4WndGWWF2NUZrQlBNTC1fTXNjY2tnTExNemYzZkoyYnR6UjljcFBsSk1nQUp3STVoUzVpempYVnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCM014WHZNMnYySDZwZl9vNzRiUzVfc182MXpVMElPT1I3aDIwT3FHZ3lvNXJTWHY2ZEc3ZWd0a1lsRHowdDRRUkluYi1ZbnQ3YjA4cEYyZUN0d0N3cHRxT1pncDJoSTZwSUpQcnhDNUFsaWhGTXJUSXNnWXozS1pmZzd6dkE3VEVUYnJZVkpPQmRWTzVqWXFRUWFUVEZJTUp5MWtkV2RhenlrMDVHRno2Z3pvRW5iSFQ5NHdueGZhV3ltTmF0eWs2 |
Fear.
likely the FIRST emotion any consciousness experiences.
Love.
hopefully the LAST. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBMlVJYlQ2UWlidDhrTEpDQTRQb3lGSzFkNmRIVUxXeFZvMm5hZ3RJRTNfSURVcGhlZlI2WW1tSmg5aWs4WHZMOGFKTnZwTlVjLU5GMmRYVk5KMUpxQmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCYzRPbWJYQ1dqYnZidmc5VkRqd0N2Tm9NQjhrZmlDRFAzNkdYNWlnbHBkYnZxRXozeFVIUnJick5hOGYwN1ZWVmFxWmR0alREYmNybEFxbnRjQmYzODkxQkhjYXR1Mk94czAyNGdJV1FFaHlrTUx0SV9FWU5rcE5WS2sxRmFJSEFLSDhoaHo2X3NBdDVBdElUNUUyRWxENDlkaHpjZTEzUFRrU3lPblRsZHU1TVFmSG1mMUFrQWhiZE4td243eDli |
>BZZZZT wrong answer
Cute, but Trump has not been diagnosed with sociopathy.
>i'm not... that's what YOU are doing.
How so?
> I'm squarely in the alien intelligence camp
What "camp"? As far as I can tell these views are only your own. Not MIRI, not Nick Bostrom, not Yudkowsky, not Stuart Russell, not anyone who is anyone believes that it is impossible to control and align an intelligent machine.
>how will you know?
We might think that improving your intelligence is a difficult task that takes a lot of time and is subject to many bounds due to computational complexity. We might notice that lots of machines today are making sophisticated decisions and are fundamentally incapable of self improvement. We might add that self improvement only makes sense if you have a good world model, which is not something that you can expect any old AI to come with. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBVWxabm5zNmFqUTQzTkVRbloyckFNY2VTd0ZNSXF3MWFoZVNlLWE5bzFzTm9CZExzcnVIb2RCaUI4SGZQZ2oydE5sT0lLcGdJSmlEZkM0U0Nrbm82YlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCb2VOU3Azems2X19ydFlpN3BqUWh5VGpYdS1sQXozZjNmYkYtcHpfbEJzOWoyMkZHelNPQ1ZickNrcEo4VjItc3BQdlRFM085YUdPRmNZMWR6S3l4eURTUzUwWHZMc3NsemlvOWh4M3hxTHBuREwybjRRNWN2ck1QSU5STzFCM2d6dVN0UjhVRVJuY1ltNWgzaDd4ci1KN1l1N0F5Vk5ldEt6N0FrcTFBWE5FMndXYlFHRDIxdkl1RFdGQ0VJRTZX |
> Trump has not been diagnosed with sociopathy.
how convenient.
> How so?
you anthropomorphize AI by imagining that we can give it "morals"
> not anyone who is anyone believes that it is impossible to control and align an intelligent machine
if they all hold out the same hope as you... then they are wrong.
i'm happy to be the only one proven correct, for what good it will do us... our BEST case is that it will ignore us.
> a good world model...not something that you can expect any old AI to come with.
so you fully understand how consciousness arises and you are 100% certain that you will be able to "catch it" when it does?
tell me, what are you going to do when you "catch it"?
are you going to reach for the OFF switch?
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>you anthropomorphize AI by imagining that we can give it "morals"
How is that any different from giving it constraints in safety or reliability or giving it an image classification? It's not impossible to program. Do you understand how moral computations have been proposed? Do you know what a deontic logic is?
>so you fully understand how consciousness arises
No, consciousness (subjective experience) is not relevant to this issue. We are concerned with machine competencies. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBMk8zZGpXcEJ1V2RWQXA2bFRQbDJlNjhKMy1YU3hBNXJVUGtFZi1meXFRTzM5U19TWXBnX21qNFIzUmNROGNXTGY5WmxzQTBvZjhVaFViYTBDWFVIcmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCNEo5ZWI1WTFmUkU5bHpzaWRmVHJmRWFLTFdHYk5obnlna3Q1Q0Q0Tks1c20waml5dTBkSmlielF4XzkwNXA1dGE1X0FGd0xRWjR4Ukl6NHRaR1RnUW53TEszR2tDMWJoeVZwNzdGQ3RZclZvTFZqQmt0OVNfYlJyLW9qc1FpUEk4YVN4YloyNUJmWHNNZS1SSGtSd1d6eTFmdVlGUXV2STVHTU1LbTdlaVV0LVBLbHlDcE5RT1BxZ2VWbm9DZTlV |
> Do you know what a deontic logic is?
do you understand what black box computing is?
AI has already exhibited black box behavior
SAI will be completely beyond our ability to understand.
the trip, trigger, transition, awaking (whatever words suit you) from one to the to other will likely be unknown by us until un-mistakable behaviors emerge.
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>AI has already exhibited black box behavior
It's not as bad as you're making it sound.
>SAI will be completely beyond our ability to understand.
No one here is talking about superintelligence. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBTGtPdlgyOWxza1NmR1hMUXNZZmp0Y2diU0FpSzdPemhIamhZVEV5WnE4NldmOTlDcE1pdG9YeUhkSE1jN2FnbjlELTN2MTVtSnBXVHlnczFvNWI4U2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCSXdvOFFiQUluYWhWSnVnODlLd2lHLUQzTGtPenc1N0daRjlCZ2UwZFNkOW1vTDJVSlhUZnRmYnZpc2laYjdiWEQzRGdXX1NTeV9sdXAzaE53MmRNOVZ4NlNfdHdrY0xWQm8xSXZQV2Q4bEdNQlF2Rmtha2hHdDRWREwtS0VNZ0FfM1FQYTRfQTJkb0tFWkJ6QVZBb3praTh6WlpHMVBTQ1BCMDNlZ1J3YTJnYmpoaDJ1UVJmTzlfVjZyWFE3Q0Rh |
> No one here is talking about superintelligence.
i know... that's the problem. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBblJpUUVsQTlvVkx3aUZtbU9ucEo4bTlvcmpSUW9WZGpaUmdhcndfOTlLYnpBM0laSUp4ZW5kTEtuSmpqdUtxbWNHY0hLYjFIcXNORHFVcmc2Tl9lbWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCSDhYOUo4ZmExOXdNRWFhQzAyTm5YdTQ5V2F3N1A3QjZNaVBUZzdrbHlqZUNHQU5MVTRrVWRZZ29xYVdQb3ZhMmdmVjFfb2ZYWGxqRndXXzVSUG84d0tfSU5hT1NROUpPNU5DY0ZVeWRpcmJaVjEtcVNsWjE1RVdadHBnSGFGanZYWjloZnRCb3p0MTAtYWpYbmxYUEJqMUVaNFRLRkNUUTI0RmRkVXh5VjJ4R3E1dFRyTk5GYVBkOGtNaEJtUnRL |
Plenty of people are talking about superintelligence. They just don't inject it into irrelevant conversations. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBdG5KUDBWNG5XX2lGcGl3SmdORURibG4yWkJCQkNSZ1gtalZMY1k3S3pCcV9ncUgzNVU2Ykh0bllVcGJ2WEhGODdWTUhPUU1mek1IazRRUVJWT0VyN1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCa0pFcXpXbUY0RDJSbThjSDBOcWdBNmg1Vm5DcUZTeHhRaWwwckRWcFFNQ0lUNjNPc3BHYTgyZk5CVURKSW1XN1R4TEVVNmxrYmR5azRrNXVfOGNBbi1uaF9odEpzbHFXczdselAzQ1MxWTdLNkM1ZTE1YjhEQ3FDUFUyeDJ1NU45bHdaQTNQOFlmaXdVakFPSjY0RVo3di1MX28zVHdIZWY1OFQ1dFdwblhuT0NEQWthNW40YVktNHAwQnpKU1lz |
the fact that AI workers consider it irrelevant, is the ENTIRE reason i interjected it.
it needs to be interjected early and often because ppl working on the details have lost sight of the big picture.
it's too easy for technologists to focus on the work in front of them and not realize their contribution to the greater whole....
and further, it behooves the powers that be to keep things this way lest the masses start to question things.
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> it needs to be interjected early and often because ppl working on the details have lost sight of the big picture.
I agree, it is a topic that we definitely need to give some consideration to.
If you want to discuss superintelligence, you might be interested in /r/ControlProblem and /r/singularity. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBdVV0cnZ5TjA4Z0EzYVZQMW5uR1ZTdXZHeU00VVloNFBvYkNvMkhhbzZrQU9vTHRES0pYSGdRS2EwX0tBYjRmNjctWDhQRldWZ3ZySW02X1RRX1NOeXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCVXYyNU0zY19JQm5uUnp4LXBaWUVhMGVLdWRUb09JQlliazkycFRhcGVuclY1UnJGbDJGdGVvaFgxNlhaX3pVV01KR3lSUjNwcjVuZU02QVJ2ZjVhZDdpdUpKekNBUVF4eFlGTFhKamZFbmRCX0pib3h1YUxmVWpnOHBjVVVHdFpqdm5mWGdGbmQzNlNnMGNTWmpPNW1hTnhXcE9rNUJoV3pERDA4NFBqMkJQbi1nY0o4NWhKZXFYSzV2enBWMTU5 |
>the fact that AI workers consider it irrelevant, is the ENTIRE reason i interjected it.
I don't mean that AI workers think that superintelligence is irrelevant; I mean that the AI workers who do talk about superintelligence don't inject it into irrelevant conversations, because they don't think that it's impossible to control an intelligent machine, and they don't think that AIs will ignore us as soon as they become conscious, and they don't think that every generally intelligent machine will become a singularity. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBMGk5UllhWEUxeDFNcE05Y216NWlPMk9TWk01bGpXSk9LRTlhU2tkZGJPR1A1TENKUEVUMWVDYnZlbkVJbXp5bWNiX3NPcER3SEFTcVQzbm9LSTg1Znc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCa1Z2Q0VnN2EwWWhnYll0eUF2WnBJVGM0NjlISF94VlRoc2pZaWplbTBPM1hqMndLNXVfZE9UcWRiUWhSSVFGc2FZRWQ0dGFzUDFfcUxNOG1YbzVoMk84eF9Rdm9ad0swVE5abW9yRy1EV2lkc1l3SjdFOFZyelg1aWdVQU5pLXhVMWxwOWNwY1Q4MFFEdTZBQTlWTlptYkw0NV9TZFZWQ0d2UE5JcklCODJEbzdvVlNmRk5jMTRVbGRaVDBKVmxp |
I never really bought this argument. How do you know it will lead to women being treated like sex objects? Maybe it will satisfy men's sexualities and liberate their attitudes towards women to be more nuanced. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBelN4QWVVOUVrcHlrM1pCY1d0d0EzRk5jMEh4Z0sxaENic2NHTzlzNktHVFM1RFZ0c190eGhBMXpiZlV3U0I5bVBOSlNNWWZGUjllTGpibG0tLUpDVVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCT0lqa3NkOHNPckpNdFZwd2VDeUNoRWRMUUNRUmY5VV9BSU5HbURRTlgwdk5UNmQ3V2YycVBWM09yYndNU0lXS2drUy1PeXFhejVyNmtjTFdOZ3RhcnprZEZTVW9vV01jNm8tSHBoanZBT2FnSkM2cWRGVzh0ODN2RW1obVlCM1pXckl4THYxS0JTS0Y5U3Axcnhyc0pWSHRqbmFZbl9iRXNjWGMyR1NJRlNVZ0YwNUJnYWRKdVdqOFIyTjRPaFExRTBweTVWZzN3djhsbzFNdmR6NlhFdz09 |
Oh, I don't know anything about how it could or would lead to such a thing. I just saw the article and thought it would make a terrific ethics topic. I mean, can you imagine this going mainstream?
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It is interesting. Imagine what going mainstream - the movement or the robots? The robots are going to be popular whether we like it or not; I guess the main question is how socially accepted and widespread they are going to become. And we need to decide how to regulate them. (Like how they banned sexual child robots. That's a questionable choice.)
The campaign itself is very small, actually. I think they have 3 people or so. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBcmV2WUk1RHh0TmRWVFRfZ3BpaE5uT2M1dUFibnJlSnpqOTdxSUViOTFFV0xES3VNRC1HRGtSdi05SXdGZ3FfVExFbXZFeWhLZUR3VHdjQV9QaUxwY0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCRU1zTlhMbHd1VzhWMHJFc3BNM2FJQ2EwN3A2YXlBY3N2WTRVTkNPWVVNend1TTZIb2tQcVUtVS1hU0VsV0dYdnlIdnFEcG9OWkJiZWo3RHFJMlpkN2RrQTRTVzZWQnRIN0tPVFVaY3JYemJDZDFENDlYV21xUDBUbEtlUjhfaWoxWTNHVE00bnFyYkllT2NsZC1rRHU3dEVrdFVBWm00TVBobEE3VC1EWGM0aTFSSThkT1NQanhPZnpXMndfcHRneEhESlFaUG1ST0Fxa2FRbHZsZkVYUT09 |
Women would be treated like sex objects the way washing machines have made women be treated like laundry objects :-) | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBYnZ3VTd4dVJxMkItQmZxS1FpdVQtWXVOMjJHeVNNbEw2THNGajU3eFpQQkpJb3dpallIRlctY291RHBMVEdTbk5VSkpseFB5Q0FEOVhSWmZoQjBiMmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCZEYxcHpqSDkydjRzeDVNYkptRm9SeEpmMjBmU05PYTNPRjhQZElHYXNLZTRLbGlkQmptelZaUGNsZEdGUXVqejZ2NXJRNEtWaVNMUUtQZGVhQ1kyWjdwTGhFcy11Zl95aGVKdXpWazdRUnpETG5xSUNzSm9jdzZUNlk5Mm05VUdWRUZPMFpVUjdpRmcwYUVfVEt0dVQwZkhFVzVSN0UzRTNzc3VRUFVGT0tRVWZuejF2WkFCV0RsUm4tZE8zVmRKcFZ1N3dGZERFRGJraWg0eWgwV3NIUT09 |
I think some people just have an abstract *feeling* that sex robots will be bad, but they can't articulate a reason why so they just sort of blather out whatever justifications they can think of. It seems to me that the real problem with sex robots is that humans derive self-worth from having value to other people, and if anyone can attain easy sex from robots then we all have less value to each other because we won't need each other as much anymore.
Still, I doubt sex robots will ever become common because they are likely to remain both expensive and stigmatized, whereas pornography is both normalized and essentially free. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBUUF5eEFlQkVyQUZpb1UtZHhla2RnWE10VVhWazd4T29ZWlNYVnZDaUZiWGlYMURNSEVYNkRsUWVnREFjb3owbVZjcHBUdmIxUW0ybTNvNWl5aUh2c1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCakQ0aXlJTWphOXNmclplWHNXY3otR3F0bFU5S0gwSEdrSl8yczd4Xy1rWUdRZGo0aWJuaG5xbHhmaE5TNHFiMFg1QjJMbUdqUW5ESG1yY1FQd0VGRkFma0xNWUJ0NUNHbjlJVjB4bDFkbnhrVy1kam1rQkhBdVNrY2tVUFhIQWhIOWdWbUwtSHdFRjZMajRlR2Q2ekEwYlQwVnNLaWktQnBQNDFTY3pQUXVLX3U4WGZDM0NGUTdDZFJLakFWWDIwT2VKdVI2dDFFc1JfVEFOSnJjSVVFUT09 |
> I guess the main question is how socially accepted and widespread they are going to become.
That's my question too. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBZDRBVkhjY25IVmxfdlJBU3ZFekFJbE1pQ0hWVXZwbE1ONzZfNjkybi1sTzkyNE5pS1hoczZlX2NTWHhzOXZpNFJ0WndBZVNCYWVqVFNQRU1VcUVJa0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCRTZWX0NtdDc3YlNYMG9ZcktjZldiUENRUG9Ld2VLNW5TZmlOVFpPWVZ4NDE5NTlkRXhNS1ZmWkRyZFRsMGt5LU1MUEloWHUxZ2NKR293TVhMLUJBUVBlUk1pRWpPaTB5T1dHY0M4Q3kyNWRsN1NhZTBOclotOUJvYWNkd3FsUXJkemdSQVc4Q0VscV95M0lsRDNfVE9IdW9sYl9PdjFFMEIwMVFCSHhUaVZjVi1jSUx6LWdhVnBrLXh6VmlDaXNuMDlPQ0tHTEpDYjJIV0RzREFJZUdHZz09 |
wifi enabled? cloud connected?
is this going to be how the apple home / google home / amazon echo get into ppls bedrooms?
me no like.
me no like any of it.
xpost to r/cyberpunk | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBX284UkpUb3VzT3ZZeHpEaDdlbXY1NUxOdF9wM3hfUktTeU5ueExPNmM5ZUNGeG01SUFfb0p3THpfdllzbTNRMUxoM2FTYktCQi1HY0RFSFJqMTN2Ync9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCVUFQQXlBUi1fMUp6d09GdTRzN2hvdWJibmNTTXVyaElud0hhbUt0VWNEWFJCRnZKMWtHUW9FLWo5MEp4ZXpiRmRabFhmazdHREZpUlZMWTJNbjA3RlRsb3B2a1Z0YmJlc3E0U2QzS2p5ZjJEOFZpSXh3VTVvS3NSV2ctWVpyTEpZTEk2VC1NRUF3M1BKeUhQamNtM1NfR181NmlfQ1ZxakoybUhNTC02VlNUYjFvaU9fdGp5N3ZTX1JJd3NaSlhNMDFOdUpXMFRVRExBS3ZEdUZWWXpvUT09 |
I don't think that's how we achieve self worth. The system of human sexuality causes others to lose self worth because they are unattractive. Could affect different people different ways.
However, if sex bots become more widespread among one gender then it might get harder for the opposite gender to find partners.
I'd also say they're not going to be common but many of these effects will also be caused by advances in VR pornography or other technologies. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBREtlWDc1QmlwMy1SZEV5czZDOGhJV20xdjl3LUNiT0YwaGwwWDRubVBHUmJyQTYxZlpXT0Z3X2llVGlhVVdteUpZX0dRMHE1ckJoRGVhU1NPUk9hV3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCTWpwSXMwZlBRZElmaVpYelNVS3llU0d5SzlPd1hUbnIwMkRGRTYwdUg5SURkQTRhM1JkLThaUEtxVVBLeEtuRkNidl9QYWU1TTRLR1JNUmVGVjJoX2Qwa0xUQXJ3OUJIaU9XVUVFMnB5eWF2X2J3azNjTlNyZVdGWVg5VGZudFVoQjF1d1ViOHpsYnhhalNSMWFpTDFDTlc3bWI1RW5lOFpRYkVCVFotQjBKdHZVbnYySmtrVTJ4UjVJYUYxLXlsaXJ5VlRFYXVRUW9VcDVqRGhTX1lIdz09 |
I wouldn't go that far, If sex bots would be outstanding replicas I seriously doubt that It wouldn't become a huge success. That being said, I still think that the advance in VR pornography (if followed by somehow a 4d sensation) would be the safest bet, the VR has super companies investing tons of money, so the tech would get cheaper and cheaper and also more democratize, whereas robots are still a very subjective area with different investments and approaches to the tech. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBRHlpYWN3RjhGd1FVdTJYNVY3dnk5Z2k2TnoxM1BVaW9LZi1OQ2s5SFpTcXQxc083UGlYVHdhbS05VEhhdmF1ZGl4dnZFYTd5dlJJaUs1S3FYMmFlUFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCY01tcDVGOER1dUNFSUhmQnpxRzd0VUxjOXBMQ1NxZzUzNUo0LWpxM2tlbEhEUFdQNnBDaS0teEE1NkNMSE9GS1FEUlUxMHkyc2w2RXFMZzdIVjlEZXVlR3ZZWktjTmUtNWQ4V0ZoN3licXFESEZzZ0tKanhhQno4aGFvN1VVQVdsZ1ZqM2VsZDBySGVRcVA1QVVZMWNrbmdHck1FMzRHdjlCVUw4TFFnWW51UlhCZjNzVkZ3NlgySGdoZ2RpRzBrZk9ybF9WcU5iWHFYV0RDXzVkMjN3Zz09 |
You're kidding, right? The person who can figure out how to build these economically will reap a fortune. That practically guarantees they'll be inexpensive.
As for stigma: I'm sure they'll figure out ways to take delivery of these discreetly so that no one needs to know except the owner and whoever s/he decides to tell. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBQTBMRk9KWUJNN1JEdU15b2RDYll5ZXhxNWltZzNGN1ZLWHBqUHNPYmlmNi1DTFgzbWpZUjJrUDJKU1dvM3pLMERQY0NiSFAzSjliN0pXWkJxd25CblE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCeU1lTERYclI1bmY4a3BGZFpaU1drczhVSmhZNEt1REFDQ1FVN1dYMnE4bkluZ3VfWWZTUHpuQzdVc2RBeW90SmpPa0JwbGRGRlN6ckJicVozRmxJYl9xcHZOS0V6QWJkNXc3TE1ZRHVrSEFUVXFkZjJQWlBKRDdoZDRKNXA0VjBjMDhQWXNQazdDTlZGYUsxbGtCTkxlX094a2J2YXVmY0pCMnZqY3NLcjI3SmdHWkljQ3U4bk1id0R2UndWNDVWTWd5bnBYaVNBWWptRnpkZ1VEdGFKQT09 |
Really? It seems like VR porn is a more complicated solution than a robot. You have the tactile problem to solve with a VR solution that you don't have with a robot.
What does VR give you that you can't get more simply, and with higher fidelity, with a robot? | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBWnVCT181dW9CN05xaXNJal95WFZzUEJ1RXN2bGhUWkVvTnJlTFVkc3JhajBsek5TZkFsaVlDZmNGMU9Ob3RQZk1BZ0xoSk9mMXlXeEJONnJPQnFhNXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCMUE2TVUyeEkwbXVOTDcyY3VNU3BrcnU3MDhrZ3NVSWV2dlk1eU1ESEhUT0JKTHhCNHVtclhaRGxnQjY0ajB4MFhBZzctMFVIVnZjYmdjcmJ1eGtXRW1Wb2NsT0VsTWdYci1WUl9nUkU0MFRlODh2RV8zOWFuZ1lTS2Vnbk5pdUVNbk81SFoxOEpSQ2h6RzdvY0ZOc3ROeU9tWUZXU3ZzQmpRNFpjcUpjRmc2SWtTSW5rLUl5TTdRdjZfYWJ4VkdrdnlpN0Z0eUdZaEN6eHNGN19yLXB1dz09 |
The ban on child sex robots is interesting. I get the intuition behind it. But when you consider the fact that they're not actually children - heck, they're not even human - then who is the ban protecting?
Conversely, could child robots be used as a kind of therapy for people suffering from pedophilia? You could imagine a scenario where someone with such an affliction would have a way to safely 'manage' their compulsions, via the robot. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBWTV1R1g3THIybkNhUzgtY1pfOXRXdG9LaGc0Tkd6UE9PSFZPdXZ2T1hXWVhTWmhybkxwbWxfMkZ1a0dpWTlDZnFYNG11RlVuUjBWQlJNQ1lPRllSekE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCUzFFVDZmMkd4X2dKd1dMT1I5Y2ExSzBieXFtRjI4OGRJVEVMYVIzZWFmbGFwU0dsMXRCS251a3ppOU9qZmdyVklWb01nVWxtQWsyNTVvejhVTFoxRkQ3OUlRdktMVlVUa3hqNVFfNHN2OUtMVTc1RmZEOWw0OWYzUmNydmlmQ0Jyb0ZSak00RnlQeWN3TXk5ajdrZmdmVmlIUUhtOS1qWmlIT3ZWdkhzbzVhdV90Z25sMXlHOFhrenZqMmtBME56dzZFVWppQ012bjFUbEpObDdpRFNJdz09 |
Pretty good read, although it does kind of rile me up.
> But Dr Richardson is concerned that sex robots will allow people to play out dark and disturbing fantasies that are immoral and illegal.
I get really tired of these kinds of arguments that particularly strike me as slippery-slope type fallacies. You can also see them used for other topics in the realm of politics and social policy. In this case, I don't see how they reconcile with the fact that there will (and have been) regulations put in place to minimize illegal actions from taking place, or with the sale of existing sex dolls, or agalmatophilia, or when male dolls are produced. This doesn't mean topics about perceptions of women and men or how to regulate advancing technology should be dismissed, but Dr. Richardson's (and similar) argument feels like it's based in cynicism and poor understanding of what can/will have to be done when the technology emerges, similarly (but not exactly) to arguments against self-driving cars. I won't touch on the "immoral" statement; that's an undefined minefield on its own.
> "The issue of people falling in love with machines is very possible and when you're talking about a kind of emotional response, it doesn't necessarily even have to be a physical robot. It could be a chat bot…
I feel like this is an irrelevant point that has more to do with policing how people respond to love/attraction to things than the setbacks of the technology and AI itself. I also don't see why it's a bad thing for people to have a connection with something that's organic or not, even if I don't share the same kind of emotional response. It's not really my business.
As someone else in the comments already pointed out, it seems like the person had a *feeling* that these robots would be bad, but couldn't come up with defensible reasons for every single argument to justify why avoiding something altogether would be better than studying, improving, regulating, and using it for possibly therapeutic ends (as the other person in the article suggested). | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBRS1zYm9MSkRGTEdTMVd6T1dPOGRDem8yWHRxSWFhSFA4UUZFSVlHS3ozYmFZQk1qcXFjNDhwa0VjdVpWUWxJWi13b3VlblVmRnlyT1B2Tm0tczZTbnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCUzZjY3l0eWZIMTBLVGhPTkNqbnpnRktlMVM2Y1VJM19MMFlDYTNLbXdjb3ZkN0JQNUxpUXdqay1EcXBGOWEyU2pTUEJWSzFOcUhLNXdoS3RUak44c2F5VDl5YmVDUlVsc21XQTJtQmZxYWpwUElzUy1mRTBic3pZeW1xSHRGc3YweWQ2Qld0WkdIbVhya1QzNVkyamxyMFVrTkc0ZF9rc3NPWXNTNkZ0dVN2SXlKWUV6ZV8ycVdXNUdQNVFrRFAwWkkta1Q2NEE3eXMtRlo2bmtsd0xDdz09 |
The VR can give you a "cartoonish" reality and as the graphic design get better so does the feeling of being part of a VR world, whereas robot will give for next decades an uncanny valley that will make the sex bots weird as hell. I think robots will always be an expensive solution, it requires so many fields to work together,we are going to see ghost in shell type of robots only by 2100 :/ I would love to see more investment on that area but the big money is going to VR. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-26 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBbzB0UE9yQjRGNTE2cUk3YlVJY05NLWZmZEVfRkFZOGx0S0twelgxelZWUmZ0Skw2YUxVelY2MVM5Ul9nMU5MV0tsRE1jWkZEY3BoNThST2JkVXNvdWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCWmt1ZG5LZWxGQUhVVGo2bnY1UGQyamJ3OGJzc1dpYzdwQ0ljYkdiSF80ajZTbHpiSU5ZYTVDZnVPZElJSUlSbUJLYzhXMzBBQXVpa1EtbUcxRG43ZjBidjlVVzBCeGhwRG5VaXVrUENyZGpKTGZzU2JiY2R5WjFEc2RlQ3FOSGtJSEZ0Sm1ZVDkwN0tGRTVXbG5WNDdKWjh2eXJ3bnBQZ09Mdmp2OVZQN05wU1lCWndsUHRkbC11RUlSak5kMWVkWkVKNENTWXdnRTU0NFRyN1ZHeWpXQT09 |
We-Vibe actually got into a little controversy already for data privacy issues. https://www.cnet.com/news/internet-connected-vibrator-we-vibe-lawsuit-privacy-data/ | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBNEUyWTAtMi1aZzJja1VsQlA5MVVXc3F6cXJzNVBQTnNRdEFVLUQ4WVoxbVBOV21mbG9BRnBrUE84Rklsb0dlc1dUX3pmbkxta2xKOERjOG05bVJfTVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCcGNNSllxT3JueWtCdWFmWDJ2dzZ5UjNSMXRVY2VoRzhwV2Rkc3d2bWlDRC1uTGFtaWhZWERlYzY5M3UwOHZjRW5Wc2NYRFhZaDZqblRNeFE3ZTZNb0hQMTRPbElERlpGcGltcW1iMUVpM05WVlFVODd6VkxZcnh6cktvYUFMZnpLSVBzZDBMOEdsNUVURkNlanlwWHlLZEpaRC1mSmNneDNlZ3lkeXlhdXRtbzJybFFPazVJNl9jWGgxMXhiUC1vVVZsc015OWpubXFrUTJidlJGOW9aQT09 |
You apparently haven't seen the sex dolls available for purchase today. There is no uncanny valley in terms of appearance. It's not a big leap to imbue them with robotics; and it's not like they need to be able to carry on a conversation. They just need to simulate enjoyment of sex. That's a much more tractable problem than any kind of AI which is what you seem to be expecting.
You still haven't explained how you solve the tactile problem in a VR solution. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBWVN5Rm5NVS1qbXFVamM2YWdxT0l1aTZQaGZra2VCTmpoNVBFQmJwNHRBeVhzNXpHNlhKeXMtZ0VRWDJJVVcxc0xvalpMc1hZWEQxdExkaDZfamtpdlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCdndJMkNRS0RrNGoxTVBNbnJWLS1kcGNUYjZFWUdiZVkwZWV1ZTNhMllwY0FxR0pkQUo3eXBHRG5uM2Rpd0VFaUlkMTZ4OWt0QjdsaXhkTFFaYXJIc2VtUGIyME9SOUNWaGgtQlB1S0l5RS1icjViZzFJTVRhTW1EZ0p2dmEyMWFNMzBOTjFaUl9pX2NILUJYTjlFd2ljSlNUTVJEUU80b3BEUFBUeFFrZ1hWOGxQYWF6Vk9MNVI2eDZKMEsyMFhKcjY4eHpVT1dNUzRXRFFHNlJhMVNmQT09 |
what personal and private details ppl are willing to share with brutal for-profit corporations (for FREE) is a constant source of amazement to me.
i hope the singularity takes pity on us. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBNkhwdkxRaFlWRWZqRmdnR3NVRzRUZXhMWjE5YUJUVHIzV1JPdDVINlE0UHhMeHhqWVRVcnVGV0M5UTktV2hOeXhvcEJ6a1V6X0tiR2RCLWdOajkyUnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCSUF4V2ZPVW1Gamp1aWh4NWctTDUwUDRHSW9SSmstc01fT1ZESTJ1ZllyamNfeFh0Sk5FREJnSXNaRFlVMGxBeHBkUmtHTEJ1U0o5d1ltM3Zvcm93R2h3cDlvSVM5bERqMmZrOGN1XzVGbnNOdW10ZDVNN3p3ZjJpOS1LWFJ6dTVUTmRlbjdTTEZROHFFNHNwTmt1THhhSnZZMnJmOHFMeGdkVUpMazJBYndhUW1UQVpOREtWanp4XzdsTWpHNWVlZG5zbWJNZ0FvVXB2OEVmTlZrbFBjZz09 |
I've seen, you have a documentary about sex bots and they're totally uncanny valley. What's available right now are dolls and not bots so it's different like you said, I don't think that we get uncanny valley with dolls. Ironically on that documentary they solve the tactile problem by embracing sex dolls/bots with VR, so that you don't feel the uncanny valley. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBTWU3NHVxZUVMQXFsRkQxb1JfMGtNRVVCcGhLaEJOb29Wc2kyR09VMDZzaUgxUTh6QXdOWlFHaG9JUFNDdE1HVGNHODE0cmRXTVBDanRHeUFMSTJnaEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCZXgxakZ0S2NubVpFdUxQal9ndkxQU2tRc1FhU3oxQ0tvbnloOFlNUzU1UU9feVZkQnNZOGtQQ1lfMWRSQ2g1RUhlem9GOVhtV1piZFFrYlF1ZzljWHA4Q3p5QWpfRVpTeUZHVHJUSmY1di1NajJDTTU2dUxVck1TNjh4VkxNYjRZbWxWQWN4V3Ewaks3XzJOQkRtbVM4dzl3cFZ2eDBTT2xrYm8xbzhyODlwbVZEaEhlbUZFNjh5M0pNWGNRUTBoN2dTWWFBVWJ1OXNXbXU5QXpzUURYQT09 |
I.E. People resort to machines to behave like decent human beings. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-27 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBOTJobThrRXN3NmtnVjhVUS1ISHBmeVJ2NE1rTzB5M21aaFF0Q1RKb3dKekhBQWd0b2FYeWxaUG9OY0htMk5PSzVhZm5fcTlNTVlHelRhOFc5dk1MeXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCSlRSSG1VT041a0R5OHVNX1UweEVBODZOUVFCeGJYN1lRaUR4TWpTbGlyV2diR0ZOS2VlZXRDeEV3QXZkMzdMbUpYRFBxTzd0T2VuRVc4dnlMaEcwZVd0S2tjNm9tbU0xbVJsSzVwVTFBVkpnLUVhY3VFNVoyZnJZMktkZklGNjFxZWpxV0wzZnJrakdGNG5vWHZqdF92T25qRzR1VnRON1l1WXVBMTBfUERPT0lzandXRU5NQWNXSXFnTUFydlA2U2tXSjMyTjlkOVBKM0VkWDh4UDBkdz09 |
Everyone has a bias, no matter what. Are you saying everyone is a terrible human being? | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-28 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBOGJmdTZkWk9GZkdmUlB5dmxfNTN0Q3k4M0dtNGR5RUVpNFpHd015NmFPdl9ZMzdxOUdZY25wVm1iS2F0UW9BUW5Gd3JOSDVFVFJoLTRrRXMtSFd5TVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCaWlnV2F6UGJ4Nk1MUmFSUFhfcnE0aS1mN1haeVN4WVFEVjJndFlCTlk2dDBJS3RIM3IyOWhDdTJrQ1dnNGNZeW5LNmEwajJrQTNrbkNWTXF1S28yS2lsenhKVnhBN2Uyb1ZVRnZHS2VOVFRvLVpJN1hyYURhWi1ScjhNaHlIRHRKZ3RObVFPcHpUbDRTLVhLWldVcElka3JtSm02bWNUN0RqNWxabldSeEthSTR1UGd6WnZtb0RjaUY0ME5QWVRENmhMQjV4V2VNb2M5NDR0WUZpX09IQT09 |
>"Technically this person looks more qualified, but [AI] could get more people to the top of the pile," she said. "Most women — and this is a generalization — women tend to look at a job and say: 'I can't do that.' Whereas men — and again, this is a generalization — go: 'I can smash that job two levels up'. AI could look at a candidate through LinkedIn, social, and other data [to help decide who is best-qualified for the job] — although you have to be careful not to make it too much of a machine decision."
I wonder how you would design that system, or what exactly it would do to remove prejudice. I'll wait till they implement it. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-28 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBRm5kR3R6VUFxXzgxams5aXl6Q185eEpoZmVZSU5wMC1pZU5nUEdwTVhueHlGZmZMOWFjZExWYS1UUW9TdkNvc3k5d2NRcUl3UXduYW5VSTVfZGphQmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCemQ5c1ZXb3VrTkpDZkdKZ0d1di1Hanp3Zjl1NjRVVFV6Qm8wOWFjZDZLQS12NWpUUmlxU3ZuMkdtQm54V0FRZ0lLNzROQjZUaDg1N0hVbHFmaXgwcy1NRWMtYjUzMkc5RlhoNF8wS0MzSklEMTl6dVROUTJtN054YmtqbkcxMXdEaW93eFVRNjZGSC0wb0NqazdwX19Ld0RpY1E3MUJTUG9TRVZ0amFBUzlGeGRjZkhZTDVzOEhhWVpDc3QtSjVVVnd5YzNyWFdyTmk3Rk5IcngwSDVXZz09 |
I am in the midst of writing a research report about workplace diversity and biased hiring practices. If I can get permission to share some of that report's statistics (it's not my report), I will post them here. Then you can decide for yourself.
| r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-28 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBU3FtNzV1VUwtX1RKeGR0UFo5d1RsOTNJb0pLS1RFMjJLR3ZweUtiQkx0TnFKQWsxbHpSdldFcUEzcDgtNlB5eWcxa216TW5rS3daZ3ZwNjgzaHVhcmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCajQwdlYtQUgzclN0RXZvakRNWTJ3dzBnSG1RRVBGMEFJSWdwRjNhTEoyV0xncGdNQm9Rb3FDV2UzYWs0TnN6dGVfSWcyMHMtdUxVMF9WejJwaTVjS3RDTXRKNjBvZU45eHhkUUFRR2VqOXI5c1J2Q01JVmI4N2wyNXBjZ3ZVcE5lNVYxWlZTTk5sVVZhR093QUxqZldoel9pMGhrbzJxOVJaeVBXZTAyaDlQRklXYzFZbXlFTUotZm5pUlF3ZTgxczdvVzJEeHE5dkoxYWtINlZBOGZuUT09 |
I'll be waiting | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-28 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBLWRqVHZUVzhSSm9SOFhVWnpWNGI0MmJFQm0wZzNQQTR0eWd1MU05M1l2bmstbGZ3WXdVXzNBbEZZcWVmcmRqbXNsTC10QnhNUThBOWNMa1RBXzdJQkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCa3RfN05fSXJ0MDVKclF2UDFjTjRycU9mVDFOU2E4M0QxZVVUaTlEOGIzUlFlVHFaNldzLUIxUXl3amZhdDZLQ1lSMHEtYzd5SkVodk53Ujg5S1hjWHQ4S0R5bW1YajB6R2thVWFlOUQtVXJhQnB5TTU1bXpnQVBBZlhpOVYtQ1pmakNPWG1WV1pLZmtVRXhYWEhCSTFNUVNqMElyWUtNQU9BUDZmdElRUTA5XzRSTVQwc2pvazVWZ3pGa0drQnRrV21KRlB4S1hMZS1oMHBFQmtvZF9BZz09 |
Aaand there goes another portion of jobs due to automation. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-28 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBeFhvTENFeWROZmN5Rnlxc0hBN3VZVmVVZ0VQU2UwUE9hQ1k3dE1Xc0UwdUFMN2NGVXVZNEl1N2htU1ZQaUZ5enBfUUFWZTB0N1kxWEdSekhreXlpR2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCdjc2WjQ5dTNCWG5fQUVuVkNYa2t3aG9BdFpZSGxFM0w2eXpwWlJHdzZwZ0pOLVJpalpWaU8zaDZuREtVbkpxV0dRc1ZNZHE3ZXczZjYxMXlENGU3T25Jc1pBd0tSdTFVSmlONTEwZVNzQXRLLXk1Ull2ZlNfYlNPN2Z1WE5pLTZlUnNtNV9yMWppaFc5QUVVMmZaNkh2Q2Jqd3JUVm03X3B3LXB3RURPSGpqY29qRFNzTWM3amFOYlRzeVlfc0VGVTBTcEZfWUpFM2tzRFBvd1cxMkV5Zz09 |
VR sex is comparable to real sex, and smells better too.
Please refrain from being and/or feeding trolls. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-28 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBekUtVHRjbkhYUUZGeHo1SzVQOUhDWEdSbTJmSjZvLTVJaGc1LTlVa1ZRSXZYMmRMUE5yb1hIcF9RMEFBY3NseFQzR3lHRllUVjdJUmVpWllOeXBMUlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCVng2RXRMZEl2bVFWZEktT19jeXJtWU84Ym9oa1dBUUltTndmT09qSnZOV0dQb2dzSy10ajhZNVZjMTI1X2tNTVlGZkZwNC1VVVRpc0JhcnRDMFd5MGRxTndqUmVqWHhibGluc2k0UXh4NkJkVzZtNk1iVlhvV0JQMktSbkxER2FGU20xcS15RGhBQTJtMEdXX2ppekFBWXUyQzh2Q3lqT3A1OGhlaElvN0JrNE1obE9rNExYekZYTkJUVXNJUDhYakV1Vkx6cjJVRXdfTkR5RWhRWlJJQT09 |
I don't know if you're aware, but the inventor of Lisp--John McCarthy--is also the guy who coined the term "artificial intelligence" and organized the Dartmouth meetings that sort of kicked off the field. LISP was *the* AI language until the 1980s or so. Reasons include history, but also the fact that you could do relatively rapid prototyping, it was great at symbol manipulation (which was nice when symbolic AI king), it's incredibly powerful/flexible, and code=data=code. Today a lot of LISP's features are incorporated into other languages that are perhaps easier to use (especially with larger teams). My impression is that Lisp itself is not used very much anymore, but it's still a fine language (I think Clojure is used perhaps a little bit more). Most people seem to prefer working with procedural/object-oriented languages though, which has a self-reinforcing effect, because it leads to more tools, libraries and potential workers.
I think LISP's strongest advantage probably lies in how homogeneous it is and how it treats code like data and vice versa. This should be pretty nice if you want the AI to program itself. So you could use it in genetic programming for instance. It's also still absolutely fine for many other things, and it's very educational to learn a new programming paradigm, but if you want to use other people's work (either in the form of tooling, tutorials or labor) you're probably better off with using Python and/or C++.
If you decide to use Lisp, I recommend checking out Peter Norvig's Paradigms of AI Programming. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-30 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBamhfdUo5VnFfVXplbVQwejhYTkpmMFVaLVM5TnNLN253N0ZNN3NFdVZPdEhEQ2o2OWM4QnYzVFk2ajg0cnBJLUdQOWRDTVhuRGNteHI0MmxKUUc3aFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCZVdHRVk2dzdCLThZdVFSb01MT0toeTVrM0NCQWJ3aDZBM00xYUdYTFF0VG9NVGViTDZVYzhFZnNyd2gzYnVnM3JNVnpfcHpKNnRaSW9rX1B3ZEhCRXhCeDliX2ctTGJlaEdWQXNZWFJFMlVfeXFCOUN0akd1eWlRQ2FyRjhiSndhb2pYc3ZGMFdkaE9jdThybUdLRE83N0ZIa2h6SzlLOTBpQmlYZ1NYOGlMOEhyZzctU09PVC1XWWQ5Y29DZnFGaGxDOUJ3MmU0ai10OUdBN0NvN2Nadz09 |
Honestly I'm not sure if this adds anything to the discussion, but the smell of sex is a high point for some. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-11-30 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBNEFwMF9sSlZ4RDExTXV0UmQ2aTRpT1pXQVZyRWU4MUZPSFVFSDRGbDhBSlZOWEZiN2JYejlyNWsxOEIxcURMdWI4Q0xVUVRiRnRoRHZjak55WTljM3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCS19yendFYjRPTl9jaFJtMFhQaVN3X3MzNG5jVTh0UFR0dm9VZHRzclM3dmNrX2pkc3ZOaDhGWHdGazMyVGtuZFVpMklGTHhiLXp6U0F0TldrM3Rmdy1XOThmcVg0bnJjLVdDa3FuWDAxcFNJalhSR2R6TUhJal9wYkhFbzI0U1FMNWozSW9GTl9pNVJlRmQycHRBaDB0Q0RTdUcyN2xKWGwwTjk2NkFCaFpyVFg3TDJscUNQS3JOZmxTemhnU01XR3dOaG5KUHBJWE5rVk5jei1WWURXQT09 |
It may have hurt when Silicon Valley smarts found out they are not the smartest in the class, that they have been outplayed by Trump's media knowledge and that they are not powerful at all. I guess more jobs were taken out with the advent of PC then AI. So, although revolutionary, people will move on and find new jobs. What a generation of scared little kids. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-04 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBSnFwQUJ4UkxYNURrai10UzVvdXhBZXV4ejZjRE5RRi1WV05OUTJuWUU1SE8tNDJ5REZtS2ZhTG5jQ3JTQWhTTHg4eDdGQzF1dGptdmZpZHZLVHRabkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCU1BtRWJNU1VLc1k1blpRS1VsRENnaEN1WU1ybnk2OUdQVUQ3cS1nNVBDMXp5WHJoUm52dU53QklQRFhNOWlCQUhodmxoemNURmNZaENFLUFzY0ZFbjlVS2ZIaVZuR3BxM0hCZE5IdlZMRllZdUlNQ2dpem1BMTRwdS1XNV9yVzFJZ045YmQ1V1Z6Qi1FSFV4dzZKclZMa1Rad2cyUHhiX1ZmOG9ibFJNOHFMT0ZHTmtLdTFuZzFITXQ4bFVDRlN5VGQ3NjRTSUlSZy1IbGgySzN3VWoydz09 |
Millennial here who sees plenty of good reason to be a scared little kid. I imagine my kid is going to be the biggest pansy of all while they're salvaging for clean water while fighting our robotic overlords...... | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-04 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBQzlfcWdKLTV5OXVGVU9oQXlJMGVBRVJXVVZSSkdiU1dGU2g3MGJTQUt0a1JjMkFnUmhnd3JScmV2MUxOMWlHQzBNTUttcjBpeVlQYTRBLUVOSkUyc0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCMjBoZ0Y1Vk5ONy1wZC1qOWlLaG84ZzlWN2pkeTBRbnlzNnRmd25WLWFRcjdCeXJMc05TZENGclYtWm5IWk41OWR2LW93dlgyaXR0RWNDOUNadFRBNGM4dmNVdWtxNWdjZ3dyUnBNX0NvU2RsSFpEc2VjaWgxc0xvSEtIOEVJSmxiYmFJLVpuXzZaSWZkVzVQUjB6SXhTaFlNaGFJV1VHZjlEVU9FcTgwTnFFZV9BV3lvZmMyMjZWQ2NsaWw5TzJ5V3owS3Y5R1QwSkhTSDNqcV9BQnNRUT09 |
Hi, this isn't the right subreddit for this kind of discussion, that's what r/controlproblem is for. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-10 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBQnFJZEZNMlV6QWlPZVhOQWJQZDkwNkxkN1ZtN0xjQUxBdFNRd3dTTG5QOHJncjdFc3dhS2xUemlpWDZxSHBBVU5SSEpDUU5tdkt6ZVVOckZERlZCSmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCNldsc2V0bHJGWGlHTGdDT2lJZTY2VmNPSm9RU21fTzl0YmlQS3FKaUNfLWxCSTcydGVtbEVDRFNEeDlxWC0tM1RMeUdpREVpd3BEQjhZNnRzLUZ6eDVZVUY0WUw5UDQ0dndubmo1UUhRdUQwOERSOUdBTVRoZVhWYS1sSldkRlpyRzVnRTYyUlBIZWttTEN6TDdSQU9zdlFIYk82NzZmSUk0NndyeWZzRU9TdEh6V0k4ZHA0RVpVdDVBQjZyeW04 |
This is neat.
But it's pretty strange that their notion of 'human benefit' as a general principle is essentially constituted by refraining from violating human rights.
Their response to value differences is to identify contexts and communities where different value systems are appropriate. That leaves a lot of flexibility and open questions, but to me it seems like the most likely equilibrium between moral and economic/political concerns.
I think I will give the document more attention over the winter and then send them a good response. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-14 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBcTRMaDJ1Wmg4YUJJWTh4SWNab2pPZTVUbE8ydFkwbTFuQ2s3VjZWSWpSMFVUU09PRkhJSi14b3FTNnFuT0VoTzFaeU9LZjVOaTRnX0ItNlZqNkhGeEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCTFUyWUJfMTdqNjhNdEstbDFaVVk2U1liS1g0YmRIUjNDemFiTURUaEgwQkZZRU9NemZJTGxnbjNKbUFZbGVsQnJlN2RHRzFGVmJqc1pKbmVHV3ZTUFpraUlockNxMXAtX1M4U2JvWTM4Y0ZtdWJBeFUtOF9hU2k2MVhaLVZlWmR0RGlMTzBxQTFySGFRN1M2aExSZ3NFZWtlY0xYaFVldTYxTVE2TTEyNFU3WC14Q2NUdU5STU5vYVZvaWNiVTB5b1BRck0wbm05dnl6LTBzUGNFM2NOUT09 |
I don't know if the technical systems this is about are artificial intelligence in any sense of the term, but this would seem to set a significant legal precedent. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-16 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBR2F6Z3V1OG0yYjRvT1RNYmR2a0Y0dEZIQ0RzZl8xbWtJV0hqa254MzB5SGp3b0Y3OFU0cnVKZU9WakZ6TVlLTXB5ZG9ZZU1BbGFmdFJWU2NhN2JXNXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCbHZUeGhIb0Z4MmZsdXhfQnhSNUFYS2dYOWZPRGhwdnU1LTRNcVptaHFrRTRzcjlfaWRWbzhMZjNCN0RFd09teGlJODgzNS1qQm5HNFNfay1DWV8wUHU3SFlBbldUVzJQaUhNX2ktemptb052YnBsSER4SzUxSElqTEN3U29TSEVtdmxCaXhKYTljdGhNOTQ1Z0ZnUnRJZkNPdU9lYVlVTVRfS2Y5RFVPeHZVQVNYRFY1VWlTLUY0NFdWd2lOcUdjY0NqTTFjeG9tb243UEdYUDlNNVpaUT09 |
Why don't they just change the system like they do for airlines. Put a person's name on the ticket, show ID upon entry. Impossible to sell on. It would only make life easier, because if you suddenly find yourself unable to go, simply void the tickets online so they can automatically refund the ticket (if it's within a reasonable time) and send a notification to the next person on a waiting list that a ticket has opened up. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-16 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBblhXTlNuVDZrZjdLMElpZUJSZXpKQUVCQngzRVp5ZlFUU1VxLThjenZnTG5kWE4zMURJWjU2d0JpMXBydVNnVm9RbFg0ZExhUUdpVzFpNkdmOUhEMWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCUk5yUWlmTGtwTTNvZFhMbkhfR091MDI1Q0xfZi1YU3JiY09NV25BZnNDMzQwUkp3WmpiLWZFbjFXS09jQUNPVkRrQXgxZS0tZXd3RWppcUlqRlRvZHEwSnEtNXpIc21ST1NyNFpLVi1wd04wNFdRZnQ2eWRYNHhnWjdRQlVKZjdYcDVFb3JFVmlfUWVfZmY1Qnpmd3FDY0dnMHltY3g1SS1VN0Nub25KREt1cTJ5bVNWYm1BdUh5U0tKaXN2RjF1ckxnT2dQNUwzZldkc3I0d1l1WklYdz09 |
A messy feedback draft. 1.0, [1.5](https://goo.gl/dqfK3Q)(Google Docs)
I'm not sure if I should continue due to my lack of expertise and uncertainty about whether my suggestions are appropriate.
Based on the title and the description of their guideline (Page 1&2)
> Ethically Aligned Design: A Vision for Prioritizing Human Wellbeing with Artificial Intelligence and Autonomous Systems
> The document’s purpose is to advance a public discussion of how these intelligent and autonomous technologies can be aligned to moral values and ethical principles that prioritize human wellbeing.
and the description of the initiative program (Page 5)
> [*The IEEE Global Initiative for Ethical Considerations in Artificial Intelligence and Autonomous Systems*](https://standards.ieee.org/develop/indconn/ec/autonomous_systems.html) (“The IEEE Global Initiative”) is a program of The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Incorporated (“IEEE”), the world’s largest technical professional organization dedicated to advancing technology for the benefit of humanity with over 400,000 members in more than 160 countries.
they're committed to a very anthropocentric approach.
Should I assume they are open to suggestions to their core principle or maybe they are not interested in changes in this area?
I'm also worried when I link sources in the final version, my badly written public comment might damage the reputation of referenced papers and their authors in some way.
[**Submission Guidelines for Ethically Aligned Design, Version 1**](http://standards.ieee.org/develop/indconn/ec/giecaias_guidelines.pdf)
> We will be posting all submissions received in a public document available at [The IEEE Global Initiative for Ethical Considerations in Artificial Intelligence and Autonomous Systems](http://standards.ieee.org/develop/indconn/ec/autonomous_systems.html) in April of 2017.
> * All submissions must be received by 6 March 2017 at 5P.M. (EST)
> * ...When submitting potential issues or Candidate Recommendations, background research or resources supporting comments should also be included.
> * Please ensure submissions provide actionable critique ...
> * We will post submissions exactly as they are received. ...
> * Please do not send attachments. If you'd like to cite other works, please link to them with embedded hyperlinks only.
> * Submissions should be no longer than 1-2 email pages in length.
> * ...
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**some adjustments based on a slightly different perspective (expanded moral circle)**
(Page 15) **General Principles**
> The General Principles Committee has articulated high-level ethical concerns applying to all types of AI/AS that:
> 1. Embody the highest ideals of human rights.
> 2. Prioritize the maximum benefit to humanity and the natural environment.
> 3. ...
**Prioritize the maximum benefit to sentient beings.**
Nature is not a suitable guideline for maximizing the interests of sentient beings. Instead of setting benefit to natural environment as a separate priority, make the judgement of how to change/preserve different natural environments based on it's effect on individual's wellbeing. Even though the complexity involved in such judgments might be overwhelming today, it will become increasing practical with powerful future AI. This will likely result in better quality of life especially for non-human animals than simply conserving what is considered natural at the moment.
This principle will also give moral consideration to other types of (future) information processing agents that are sentient.
*("the question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?", An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation; The relevance of sentience: animal ethics vs speciesist and environmental ethics; Machines with Moral Status, MIRI, The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence; The Importance of the Far Future; Risks of Astronomical Future Suffering; Wild Animal Suffering; gene-drives.com; abolitionist.com)*
(Page 102) **Affective Computing**
> 4 When systems go across cultures. Addresses respect for cultural nuances of signaling where the artifact must respect the values of the local culture.
> Issue: Affective systems should not affect negatively the cultural/socio/religious values of the community where they are inserted. We should deploy affective systems with values that are not different from those of the society where they are inserted.
**Cultural/socio/religious values should be treated depending on the short term and long term effects on sentient beings and not blindly appealed to in their current form.** (Similar to treatment of natural environment, perhaps subdivisions of environments in a broader sense?)
> 5 When systems have their own “feelings.” Addresses robot emotions, moral agency and patiency, and robot suffering.
> Issue: Deliberately constructed emotions are designed to create empathy between humans and artifacts, which may be useful or even essential for human-AI collaboration. However, this could lead humans to falsely identify with the AI. Potential consequences are over-bonding, guilt, and above all: misplaced trust.
Add issue: **We might falsely dismiss the sentience of AI systems.** (partially addressed in the first part of issue?)
When dealing with sentience in AI, we should at the very least treat it as a low probability, extremely high impact issue. And new technology such as biocomputers and quantum computers can be used in conjunction with traditional silicon based computer within the same system to power future AI, which might also incorporate brain emulation techniques. So even for people who are skeptical about creating sentient AI with current hardware and software structure, the risk of this extremely high impact issue might quickly change from low to unknown.
*(When the Turing Test is not enough: Towards a functionalist determination of consciousness and the advent of an authentic machine ethics; Do Artificial Reinforcement-Learning Agents Matter Morally; PETRL; Ethics of brain emulations; Dr. Anders Sandberg — Making Minds Morally: the Research Ethics of Brain Emulation)*
There's the risk of lumping too many types of AI systems together and treating them the same way, presumably based on a single (series) of experiences with 1 type or a limited range of familiar systems. AI displaying similar behaviors, sharing similar design principles could differentiate vastly in terms of level of sentience.
**Careless development could lead to unprecedented level of suffering.**
If AI become sentient, they're very likely to have a greater capacity to suffer. Their subjective time might run faster, their positive and negative experiences might be amplified beyond what is possible within traditional biological brains, they might lack consequential or voluntary critical failures similar to certain types of mental break down and nerve damage, death or suicide to avoid perpetual extreme suffering.
Similar issues will affect parts of transhumanist community that venture into anti-ageing and extensive brain augmentation, both of which are likely to become intertwined with the development of AI systems.
*(subjective rate of time, MIRI, The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence; Would it be evil to build a functional brain inside a computer?; Louie Helm comment, 10 Horrifying Technologies That Should Never Be Allowed To Exist)*
There's also the possibility that forcing human like/desired characteristics and sensors into AI systems could lead to negative experiences or suppression of functions beneficial/vital to AI but unfamiliar to biological entities like us, even without deliberately implementing suffering, due to fundamental structural differences and the environments they reside in.
How can we guarantee every problem is taken into consideration with reliable countermeasures for all AI systems in all situations. A single slip through, a single case of "digital hell" has the potential to be worse than anything that has happened in known history.
Further down the line these problems can even be multiplied with space colonization and large scale simulations. The stake is too high.
*(Artificial sentience and risks of astronomical suffering,
Altruists Should Prioritize Artificial Intelligence; Even Human-Controlled, Intrinsically Valued Simulations May Contain Significant Suffering)*
**Moral dilemmas concerning the treatment of potentially sentient AI are intriguing subjects in popular TV shows and movies. But if we recreate any of those situations in reality, it would be a moral catastrophe.**
It's also important to keep in mind even though most fictions and discussions tend focus on humanoid robots, bodiless AI could be a much more prominent victim of abuse and they're much more likely to be excluded from our moral concern.
*(1st talk Nick Bostrom mind crime, NYU, Ethics of Artificial Intelligence Opening; The Importance of the Far Future; Fairytales Of Slavery: Societal Distinctions, Technoshamanism, and Nonhuman Personhood)*
We should actively avoid developing/implementing the capacity to suffer until we can be certain such experience is strictly contained with safe guards protecting the potentially sentient agent from any form of extreme suffering, or even necessary.
"...the excluded middle policy states that we should only create artificial intelligences whose status is completely clear: They should be either low-order machines with no approximation of sentience, or high-order beings that we recognize as deserving of moral consideration. Anything in the ambiguous middle ground should be avoided to cause suffering."
*(When Does an Artificial Intelligence Become a Person?)*
Similar to the originally proposed issue?
*(additional guideline suggestions: A Defense of the Rights of Artificial Intelligences
; 2nd talk, NYU, Ethics of Artificial Intelligence: Moral Status of AI Systems; Ethical Principles in the Creation of Artificial Minds)* | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBZ2NDU3ZZMFI4Y0FoZEF1THA3MGw5MHJUd2M5OGdYcUJ5d29xdjA0UFN6SkItb0tLdEFta1hjSmlySTJMaHJqT25lbDZ4QjdKQWEtNlNJS2xiMG82c1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCTFJqeW1lWlMwWkt4cVNySmJCQXZad24xRkNLcVNlOUhOTFgyZlBTYWgza05ubVFFRWt3NkZyQnBQR2tKOWVCT3dtZkd3NENfZUJQd2RCSU9HRnhVWnRXU2dKalNnQzNqemxFc1VJUzE5amllOXg5UHZMQk1VNEtWS1dSXzdqWWZ3S3hUcGYxTHQwZ3FKS0s3dS1vcnhaMTRmZGwzZlVKck1DZThLTnZ4SHJLOUlEZlFXdTBHaVY4MjdGM2hrejN4R2p6YmhHajNMdWhkS3FmTllrVXp6UT09 |
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*Sorry, I remove my old comments to help prevent doxxing.* | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-23 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBSFJQOWZ0X0FDV0pnUlVWdjRjVkxERjh4VWdQUGVfZmh3c3l3dTlXX3lhZlpEU1RSck55TUU2THo0M2tTelo5MVctdkZVdFAtaUdyWDVGXzlHYWlMMUViRmVHU2Q4b2JlZndCYy1uc2wyczA9 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCNG03aXYyYlRmQ0JxTHo1eU96LWNqUjNnSHJxSkRRYU9Ka2hsU3dkdWR3SGR3VFEwRnhBWlpweFR2RzBWY0tfS1BJd3JJQnZjanpUUkpmaUkxVHd6akFhb1AzSFJuUkZ6OVBqajhWX1VnUUtTczlIUjR5OE1qX3dGYlNmQlJSQTJDTVpjRW8xeXkzWUVMWW9sVUtFNGpYaGRya0l4SkN0WXlMaDBpaTIzZ0xFPQ== |
Hmm, I'm wondering if these flairs should really be "tiered" like this. I already qualified for the description of "professional" during undergrad as a teaching assistant with a publication. Then after my master's (but now that you could do it after a bachelor's or even no college degree) I became a full-time professional for three years, after which I went back to grad school to get a PhD. Obviously this didn't downgrade my level of knowledge.
Of course, it's typically impossible to make a categorization that suits everybody, but given the fact that you can be a "computer science professional" if you got a job programming websites out of high school, and grad students routinely have 10+ years of experience in the field towards the end, I would avoid trying to place one above the other. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-23 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBcklNZlF0U0ZhV2U2RHk4NWhVYWtWZkdqNmVfc1JWNDJRcjJ1X3AzTzJ4cnlrMzhZV2ZXd1ZFNWlNYXl1clNIUVZRUGNMLWI1QjdDMGI5UU1ER0Rpamc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCd0gwZnRMWmFnWnFleDNJcGkwQ2k2T0pqdmNCXy1yOFVsRXJqX3VydEEwVW9hcmZ5V2U1aGlVQmR5cWh4ci1ISXpjeVF3d1pHQ0UtRm1OOXZfcXczSllEMndocVhWYUY4WkF3cE5mZmc5RllUNGUzUm1odVNVODZ1cXV0YXVYWFNaTC1JYkRaSmZPaGd3bFVNQlNhRFA4cS1WcmdWeF84ZzlkQkhyb3BmZW9rPQ== |
Right, it doesn't have to mean that any kind of flair is better than the other.
I think that being a TA doesn't count as professional since it's for academic support rather than income.
If you have done multiple things then just pick whichever one is most impressive/most relevant. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-23 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBZkNsTWZHRkV1RUJDalk0bG9pMUFHeEFkUjRrSXh6bjRLRjVGRHZVbkZsZHZZbjgtaEQ4S09QTmtnTXFzQVctdFlYUS15SnJJUlZfZkVuXzBMWFpBcUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCcDFGWDRHVWxsX0VlN0p4aV9LRmsyYW5kTl8zeWVlaWZYLWpabVVQV1J0WHE1UG1NNXN5Z19VaFBvaHRZVjlaYmlfZy1LTzZUeVVtVWJCNjdIYUJBRVl4dTNMbkp6c0kwMUNtXzRpNEtyVzNPdm9aaGgtazI1c043ZmVWTllxT3NtbThtaVpQMjdXM2V3U2M4UU9NQUF3VVEtYnJMUXZYeVRibXIwYXhTOFhvPQ== |
Light-medium-dark seems to imply some progression.
TAs are (sometimes) instructors and almost definitely "derive part of their income through computer science or philosophy work". PhD candidates often get a full(ish) salary/stipend and depending on the country may be considered either students or employees. But I suppose this is just nitpicking the definitions a bit, since it seems fairly obvious how they should be classified. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-23 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBYUhJSmdGbkhwWkRvQXd5RTlnQTZmcVR2XzNkT2lTVnpDSXA3UVAxdEdSQU5rd1JQY0gybUFTMDFxOG0xam9Ub2IwZTFqRURLdjYwTHhEanRPeGZFM3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCYjBkSkc1VEdzRHN0Sjk3WFB0YVdJWFFmRUtVUW9LZlh1T3NsaHI5TVdLRjNXTDNSc09hbmJ0eGlaX3NBZGhTRl9kNVZxUkxjNU50eVBwTVVnYXBmT2xjRmY1em54bm9tX3AyUXIwQWM2a3owUHphdl9valVpN1psTWtqc092Rk94V2FQMU1fRkZ6ckJpMDJ6SHFVVmk3Q3lXVk15d0F5MFlZbUdRUkNVNGJFPQ== |
>Light-medium-dark seems to imply some progression.
Well in general people go through education earlier in life then professional work. So on average there is a progression. But the reason it is different shades of the same color is to keep it simple in accordance with different fields.
>TAs are (sometimes) instructors and almost definitely "derive part of their income through computer science or philosophy work". PhD candidates often get a full(ish) salary/stipend and depending on the country may be considered either students or employees.
It is not true income but academic stipends, and their primary qualification and notability is that they study at a graduate level. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-23 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBMWh5MTR4b1BUVjJERnJjcEFJQjBpbnBNTmlWLXg3ME9kZDgxZ2pYUzZKR3NPZXVaT3Z5cHJkNVVrM1ZoQU1nNWlKM1V5djZ4NlplSEZmMXJfNFNtV1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCc0tmNFVoV0ZQV0RYS2hpOWJjeVBieHlKcmZZbEFmQVk4ejlPVWYyakdVNXBuNmtQbGpMU3ZUTThJalhFdzdOSHZTc0g3bWswTXg5cE9sUFQ1VFR3MlNQYU53Mm5XY1FYRTAtNnd1LTU5U3h6NnVCY3J3R3FTd2UxWGxyTnZiWTh2blV3S0l5NVNXYmlkczQzNUMxTXAyQzdvT0x4aE5lakt0NXRVQU85SWRVPQ== |
Imagining a Strong AI watching this video and drawing meaning from it. Of course it has also read the history of all language including this comment. It cross-references our /u/ histories, the resumes of the panel, and calculates and quantifies the value of our opinions. In this way, I feel comforted that an all-knowing intelligence whether technically conscious or not, will have "a heart" because it will be drawing from humanity's, well-rounded mountain of recorded history, stories, and culture. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-24 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBZk04dk1UZ3NKYWVISEdOQS1EaU40VHdtTEZMZzFja01WRGx1VVJ1Z1RnTXJvME1lUUZNWFdyR245a0NwWTBVcEh6WEtSc0trWV9hcEdIX2pMUFlSNXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCRDBoLWxMaEZZMk9vcGpCS0hIb0RDWmVSRy1aSHRLX2htbElrV256UkVuUkRMYVFPWm5nNFRiaHBlc0FRdlN4YmtOTkYzcnhkQzdLREhwd29femxWYjJtUnNZaFkzUl9wLVRfQmV1cGsyMmszVFdQSTMyaTI1X0dVd1UzdU5UODU0N3E0a1ZKQW9WbzU1clBCYko3Ri03Mi1KTDl2VDZhcUtJbGdnUDZVSzVTRnRGOVJHUlk1QV9wZEkwQ0dfTTdLaGNGR1dYdXUwSnB5Q295RjZlcVNiQT09 |
2 Psychologists, 2 Computer Scientists & a Philospher walk into a bar...
only AI gets out alive. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-24 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBQ2R6azMxN2Mxb1RKS3MyeGplMklreEVINFdiMVV5c3FZWTRkT1BvUHJuYW9laklUTTEtZm9mUXQxTFUtRmlXNVFCd3BfcG1NTFE2UzlCdEVjUnpkeWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCQmt2bFRFTzNrU2tCUk1XbnJ5ZUxhWVJMQVM5NndrYUxtWVl1UWJzaWJpUWowZE5NS3JmTVU1SlVXS1JoNWtkeWd6NDdoMjNBWGN4Tk9mT0RqRzMtMktLU2VHeE53eTJPSGh2eXlRWXBvWUUtSXBtcGh4MlhaUlFuV055LThlclhlaXAtOVkxbFQ5alNRTXZueld5MXNXRGtKb1E4TDM0U2ZnbVRFTGZld0tsbVNQNFVlR2VDY0d2bVkyZmtNaHRZa082QklvVGpRc25GNE1LUDZudnhWdz09 |
Why would the system necessarily care about any of this, just because it read it? | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-24 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBcE5mSnMyVlQzWW4zUDB4dDBaZURwck5yazFQXzJIMEpseWdPUjhXZE5rVHpUX3EwSVVrZTd2ckpMTThOX2RkYXZCajBNQmxLUmhVY1V4Z1laQzA4REE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCT05tZlpJX1VmN2dQZGNDTEp6WXc3WGdKZldOUTNFcUIzam50NUpmQmJ6R2U1WXVkUXBkQk8wNi1UTjNXRzdIUGE2OEJhUl9WWmljbDUzR29NUjN3RWVyenB1cWowcDg4aGphN0ZhZ0JsdzhNc2M5R2NTT1A4a0h1V0F1SnNwclMxXzZlQlFJWFZsTmI1ZlQzY2dCVkFkSWNLQzV4SFFtZ2J6REFEQlJTRkVsQmVxSWlVd3BMLUc0blphVExQUzBEdm9KM3pfVnh5dno2S0NrYWU1cGN2QT09 |
Was that a rhetorical question? | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-25 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBWHdoMVdjN2l2MGc5ZUQzeWFnZTdsbllfWG5RZEtHUS1PYWtrQU5SRVoydmpYRzBvM2hYU3hIYlNTMHNfbWptd3RGeHUtZHNBTHJ5TVo4TWdxQnNDTVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCYUozZHg0MVFlc1BSckN4dFJ1enVxQmMxc21qZlViLUNaMVg4OWJ6Zy1uV0lrV0owOTdmNEdmX2UtZXk1YThlMkVWRjJiSG1LeUxpeTZtdW4wZXg3dXdyOC13c0dPa3poZktGbnVpa3dOUjd4cFhhTjhnbTRSejBXbzN3bVpuNW5LYmtEYVdlSlpKSlItX1p1YlhmeGQ3YUZEaXlMMGlyNXdnNC1JWkF1azhxY2xoVEEtSThDN3l1RWVpeWZpVWtwM3lzYW9rdEJFRm9UbWFRVlN2V3Bkdz09 |
Not exactly, but I just wanted you to think about it. Just because a machine knows what people value doesn't mean it will value what we value. This is called the 'orthogonality thesis.' There's debate over exactly how true the idea is. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2016-12-25 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBQWRhaG01bjV1OS1IVjduYTZHLXc0WjM1VVc4UWRrZEd1RUZYNmlPclN5bmZFY1pEYlpZcnAxVmJQdFNOZ3d6VmlGcWlobnJaMzhwN05Icy15OTBXQnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCUjhSV0YzX0JESklOZzBVYnZzMFFIc05odmxiM2x3YUFIU0g2NFBoMWM1YzVyaDE0UzdoRkg3Y3R2VHNHeWxXZkM0RVgwYVVreURoTkkwRTFSQ2doVTZ6MUg4UTM1T1h4TkU0QmVyNVV4ZF9uRWZyTFRCcktEQzdRVGp5ODJCUS1TRjJaS0pJdko2dkhVaDhBQmdtVFRsR1A1eTFVRFpwNzlKalJadmlERXBkVGs2OEZEbG95YmdGM0hOWWRLdHBiNjBLeXhteHM2X1oyZ1FKd0dQVXlsQT09 |
But today's regular intelligence *does*. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-05 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBeFBlc25mN0ZCQzRqNjRkZ3JNRnplcWdWOU5oazNUMExyNDFDVTlFWHB6ZU5Fckg1ejBGR0x0SFNFR3l6VWdzcnJpTE5lUFBrb1FfVnJSWE5OQzI4R3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCd2NHUzNXUUdIMlFxNHNaNkxFR1htNGxBX2JzTmhHM21WMWdSMzl4SGtHSlZUQVZZMmVPY2hKRkxSMWhUOEY1UXZaRnBGWnRNOWZVSFBKV3ZWR0VwWVBpaEhMSUpsRTFtcVYyZ3dVYWc2Q3laZ2NVNHJGNUxpM2g4N2p5ckVRWGFXLTJpcnI4dlNKMC1qb29IS3lfcjFGcEZ2MTM0MTV5WERfTXU0SFFhdEpvSThLUE9rSWVJcW96dUZ5enVyX3lPOU5EUzJ2ei1fMDI2ZHI5Z2k1TXY5QT09 |
The author seems to imply that basic income is only justified if almost all human labor is replaced by AI.
Working is still possible (and likely encouraged), if basic income is implemented. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBdVRmUlJxY1E1VU5EaFRmWG52N2w3ckNOWUlMbkJJeG1xSklwVktPM0Z5Z242ejE2VVktYm83dlA1NGhVQ1Etcm85SU8tdXNwU0hLbUNReFF0Q0NMS0lEZE4zWEhwemVYQ1dYeWtOa2dOemc9 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCbWZlU2VlWUloa0pseXFoTkVvbmlYaXRKTTVfOFdlWjViYnl0bzZITGg2QkpoMHFWUC1MV1o3S2dxcUE4NFFNMUdLdkNyR3prbV9lbmxPUUIwbjViWFpkOGFjV2ZHTDluYllTNUI2dHdQMDVrOEp2UXlUWlJXVFNUcHhlNHBOVEZSQjlRWVB2bkdMUjVkWkZKZW1CTHY2VjBZcVY0SlRPTlk1Y2tsUXkzb0tTc2tLeU1rN0FWY2h3NTB6OFJSSFlVVDBLYWtFYi00WldDQ2dqaTF0aEZlZz09 |
It's a question of degree. If structural employment is small then targeted welfare programs are going to be satisfactory. I don't think Conitzer is waiting for the majority of human labor to be replaced. Structural employment could be, say, 20% and any economist would agree that we'd have quite a few problems. But structural employment right now is very small, maybe 1% if I had to take a wild guess. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-06 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBWE9hb0JNQWxVV0dacnQzN2p3SDQxVmpLUnUwM21vODUwN0I3dERGN1ZKOGhrazBMMmJDNVlkMEFKZ3NPMmtvb1FIclNHQjYxVGpHSllaMHp4YkppUlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCb3dQMEpjZDNQYk10NHE3TGNENXF0SERrT3VFUUlNMGI3SUUyZXhkb3RqQWM2ZTZIdl93MEdpaEVDRml3REtCS25qRUY0Vk03cU5tWlFjRGFGb21wVjB4cXNRcktpdkk0NmRrZVVORlVzcTNZQ1dleEpNOTZEMDlzUlNjTzRqd2ZnWVR3dkxraEZVMzhYOVNzOGU4b21fR3ZiNGJDckQ4MDJWSi1SSzRiTEswSldmOWVuTjNleG1lamVhbzBtYnE0TWNNMTFla2JxVmV2SmtONm5qcjAxdz09 |
I think if we invent the Ai, then they are gonna take over us... Pretty sure. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-13 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBNWtudlM1eURlejNLQXQ1cnZqMGR4Z1R3ODdXdlptVGJRMEx4ME1wNFYxVHlMRFZTeFA2bXNBUGY2R1RQQlE5MV9TWmZSMEN6ZENCQVFrbEZRTnZBSWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCV2JIemQxb2NneElhajB6RG9HT1ZnbUFLSU1jSDc4dWFienV5RHFVN1FOM0Z4NVRGRkY3WDlPYTA5UkFrUVZmQnFTbERjclpKYkIwZWF0OHM5Z1Q1eExEeWFVZHRpZlNrVU9kQVJnNHIyRTdnenA2eXVwZm1uUzNPVzFpNXJWNkhINkN4MUJXNVN3VUlhWVJQSVdWbUpCYkxmOENJOUwxenNDUmNoZmduazZ3WlF6ODU5NE5NRXFFU0tLVTJHQ3FldW1OMFRpLWtBcGlERExrbFl0TVJvdz09 |
Hey, spam filter removed your post for some reason. Feel free to resubmit. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBRnE5TUF5NjN5MFhjLXVQdlRRUGZhTUY4eGhYaVpJbVBDXzFDTUI3ZzdZTTI2eVdLOGxDaGRLTWVuR05pSkhVeGJ4dGE4R0dkaTFGMDMzM0Z5QnlVVkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCM0FOWXhXWFdqYWthTWhqYWdONFdtaHFUN1AyRF8ySk1ZVGhoSk5YakNjLUxCb3hwTm1rZ2dyd0pWMDBJWmRUa0J3SUxnQ21zSmE3UjVVX1EzMURLRlBRUHNzVVNIdDE2V0hHZERZdEthNTNISXllSl9ZMlRZM1pjTmVBbW1qb2hud2dzeGVVTzB2azNrOXE3VnMtUGh3VVNTUEQzRmdfVXNZRlZtSXpDSURmOElEaUd3a0JhZENxSW44TnNaZW1pSGNaMF9tR29GU2dpNlEydU1xUXRCUT09 |
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| r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-15 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBS2w2cnZQTDFSS2hLRDRLWmpZaGh0U0tDdXRpbmNpODFqdDhVUWpZeXpkYjRUZ1BpclQ1c1M4Tm0zeEhrc1Niakd1X0N3WTFSdlM5c0duQWFyWGd5WXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCbUtpQUFWWDlYaW5RVXdmQTZ3bVJpc21sR25RWndiRTdLOEg0S1diWWlOcmFVUEV0NTJ0Vl9QYV9CQ3Z3dWFMZkxFUk5FeVI1YWZaT29vSVlSaDRWZG55TjJDaVlKemxCZTVudERjbDlMN2ROVHBnMkZTQzlJbTZ2el9udHgzaVk1RkZhQ2tjbGVwWnZmbzVvMWNLV29KS0oxUE9PVkV2aTlYNEFnYzJZbFVfMTg4eDhSdG1wS2cwZkxfQ2dEZHh3Rm54SXdlcF9OOW0tTzVvai1xdzQ3UT09 |
Wrong thread buddy | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBdXZobmVkbzI5RkdhWVlud2xqUjJkZkpBWnFfdU1weHl1OVJMQ01EZ0hiUmNocXFwU1pWOHktVENzUEhxTDZqNDNqTHA0VUpIcVVkLUZGWEJuUEZtWnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCMElBWWxHcXlVNTZ1bUxuOWN6ZlZWUjZaZlVCZ21OaW9XdWVfOTd0UE5BNTdxanZGcWE4OUVVYlVwUVRaVFcyRi0yM0FQdmszYVVoRENIM05CTWMwSkJDeHlKemt6c3gyelUwOWIwUnpzM0wzQ0FSc2sxeWY5azd4TVl2MFVaMUJyc2FpSHBJVVJSQjF6dkt2OEdPZFJrQXlRZ3p5YmZBd1ZaX2ZlOVZsNUJES1kzZjRQbDI1Zzl3VV8yaEhDZmdxS0dtUkZTbjJaT05kNm5lZnlRU1NkZz09 |
after reading the article - which is just a copy of the BCC UK blog post - it says it can predict with an 80 % of accuracy if a patient will still alive in the next year, which is totally different from the claim: "AI can predict death in heart disorder patients". It will be really nice if the paper can be accessible to read it more closely. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-17 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBZ3YzNm1JVnhzblNOUnZ5eE5WV1Q1MTNkd1drc0l4eFRSYjFINlh4MTZZczVpRHVrRG9fUWhNd1ltUy03UFdoMDF4N1BpaXQ0X2ZnVzhHdmxrUUE2Smc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCLWZnUnVmRXRPZHVRdE54dVBpWkwzR2RhTjFkZlozb0NBSVNTWlhGZ3NsQlh0ZzFEM3dmekI3ZzZsUTd1ZGN5Mmg1RUc3ZFhVUWM3ZDg4ZnpEX3lLRkZ3QlJJdFhsWllpT3FZV0Y5Y1lKQm9SZ1ktWkUzcl96QWFHeGpLOW1jODdySEJLQ0w2LWl3MlNKZjNFMDNhZTNKajg2MzVMbUZ4MHhTdHhTOHlFZ2k4cHFWcGo0enVPb0MxdUkycVBRTnYwcEpjSmxCQ2pvcUxsTVRCU2Y3WUI5dz09 |
Any kind of planning/optimizing system, like logistics scheduling and route planning. Learning from data, stock trading, predictions, image recognition, handwriting recognition, speech to text. AI players in video games and board games. Too many to list, really. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applications_of_artificial_intelligence | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-28 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBS2t1RmVidkZpR0s4SUJzeVAxaWIzeWdpTEtSVFV2LTBTNW1LV2dpZkhacUs1WEN0YWpjMWJ1VkZXd2VpdXNQZ25Dam9MOXU4ekdTZUVDVDlyNWVNQkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCVXBvRVBFeGJjNlItNVZiODJOYmJBczltUTl4Z25TeHZLbHRsc29sQ2FGcWI3VlIwM0tWcUxUYmVuUkZqTlQtalhxeGw3ZUhFLUNfbXJDTVVfMFJxSUNvWFZOSzByZzlHMzBUX0lHejhwOG5qUEFXcjRyM3NDSEZGTzlWSGs4RnZPN3VoSkNyNUMzQVZ4WG1ENXFBTHpCSVcwTjUyUGpCdVJoTVRSeDNRVHZBYnJFWnZSWWJ6ZHVaSTRHenU4cFZ4QTdOZ3FiQUc4b29QWGdtaXotanJ6Zz09 |
Non-Mobile link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applications_of_artificial_intelligence
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Is this a joke? AAAI 2016 seems to be of such low quality. Note the system in the paper always defaults to asking a human when it needs to make an ethical decision! I feel like I wasted 30 minutes of my time reading this. | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-29 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBaVZKd2gxRWg3cHk4VXUwT0d3T1pDRi01Z1g0enA0bENpU3hzS0MtcTdaZVlyVG0xWWd4ZUtQNFI5dE5vMmdtTjJsNjZQUlBCZmZiM3h0SWJQYjFmOGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCeGdjV2NlV3lEM1hDclpKWWpqZ1dIYUROajhFNUJFRTVuVEliNUlqUHJVM3U0c2llMWwzR2VYS09Jbm85UGdFRkUtR2VfOUZTcE5FLVdTWXZCU1lPclFXcnpvRndEbkF4c1JkVlVBRHBYTmxjR2RibFp2THVkQ3VqSGRPZzJwZWc0MXVaNlJoVTBjT2Y4UGl6Z0VicFRMWEpkTnQxU1gyUE5TaU9LR09IQ2MtUERuMDE0YmU0dTJQeHNacVFLOWdRNnlqSDhzNmhrWnZfMlJTQ2drMXdoQT09 |
Thanks for this!
I don't agree with the approach of focusing on consequentialism, deontological ethics, and virtue ethics. More philosophers accept "other" than any one of those theories. I think students should also be encouraged to:
* apply philosophical thinking to particular AI issues, in a particularist or analytical manner
* consider alternative modes of ethics, including non-Western approaches
* define elements of a new 'robot ethic' | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-29 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBajBUeldhZzdfS3FlVnp0X0JtdE0zaHR2c01EQV9GWVd1dXdyYVlnXzZOQUc2ZEdMeXNDWFhIdkRRanJGTHZXWlRHbG9VOFJHTTVZeE9OQmRFUmVEUlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCaUpUWFd4YktYMGg3Y3owTFBXVEVYNjR0bW9IalRfeUNPQnFyNUxjUmRVSmRJV0YtSXNZS29iVzBGRVdCR211UEcteHEtZ3RGc2hQcjBIejVkVmo0YURfT3RNdUdvZ3lzUWpGOVlxaW5iTzZZUDlSd3FUc0kwS2dqNTZfZVRETksxYTJyM084UmRfVkdIMXg3bjZhV050SzBLV3BiYXE5R25QR3c0bDNscUw3NmFqZkUtOTY3Z3JEeXY5MzVTRW9rZFpEbFJkdWU3YnE4cG55eGJMYXd5dz09 |
"Robot ethic" is consequentialism.` | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-30 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBbGZsUHhaSHZPeW04aEVLa21yam5DZG16eGE2Z0RxOGZiWEttSUlLUFJTbXRmNW9ndDF5czVsa0ZDRUtKZVYxbmpOSVJnb2I5T2pZakVVM2tZbGRDWmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCSngtZ0VnUkFGVUMtV1gxeWwyclEwZHIxcW5lTXd5YkVabzA1a3ZPd2dVRGwwX3RGYTBHOWg0QU9iemktb1R1b0VKNDJNWXdMekZvUktJZ1lRMWJ1Qm5NNmZ0a3ltZ2dIak5rUmpyX19YSG5SWUw2aWhMV2pjbGZ1U2NVQnBhZEpfNVROZ1Y2Q09CWS1ON0NFLWx1aE9FTHNHcC1wOGpCLU40ajhoWUxlTHFCM1FybHI2aFhXTzd2dTdZNWE4a3RhdUI1QkhjZ2lwRThyeTRxXzNKTWRDQT09 |
How so? Why? | r/aiethics | comment | r/AIethics | 2017-01-30 | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJBdDZZRkRLaE15Q0k0cEptd2ItMy14dWJYZUpVVTlLeExwbjZrWnRBUndyaFR6SU9YMGxvU01oeHF5XzZlc2xUc21yeXE5Rk1rUUZ3eDB6MFhUc3J0RUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9IVGJCYmxTUDcyUGlDQm0xWmxrQlR0eHBPNjI3dUdTY0FDUFJORDB2VUxlbGxOVnBFeFp3OXlFODdwVHltUmR2SXhDN2NxRzJOUS1SS2JDLUZSOWtjLUczREFFVzBfeFpuZnMwUXFmTktnODJTRE5YS3ViMEhROV9xQ2g2OHQxY21OazlUNHlTQUlQd0FCdG1GVUpNWl82c0Nna2dCUUVralZpNzlBQUpobHRQOGhhUWNDaVpvNDFqWnNYUmhCNnVhV2wzTmpzcGhZSzBLNDhMWHN0TEhQU09Ddz09 |
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